BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

[DQricksx9]

Is Lex branded?

The reddit guy said he is(Although I'm not sure to believe him or not) but you said he isn't, Batman instead hits the wall with it for some reason. Whether you actually seen it or are taking the credit for someone else who has you are indeed telling the truth since I have a friend who did see it, he wouldn't reveal everything tho.

 

[BH/HHH]

With the end of the film apparently already hinting his return, I am slowly becoming convinced that JL will simply start with Supes back in full swing.

Do you think his JL arc could be about him been resurrected from the dead and dealing with that? The

 

[WBwins]

Superman being brainwashed sucks az does him being absent till third act.Jl is better off kickstartinv with his return.

 

[PaleMonster]

Just 3 questions, thanks.

1) What's the ''Big'' scene Batman has with Lois?

2) What are Batman, Lois and WW's reaction to Superman's death?

3) What exactly is Doomsday introduction? What happens, how is his reveal etc...

1) Bruce: "who is Martha?" Lois: "that's his mothers name." She literally stops him from murdering superman.

2) WW seems pretty solemn, she's very level headed at the funeral where Bruce is clearly in a state of guilt; he wants to find the other metahumans on Lex's hard drive and prepare for war (based on I assume the interaction with lex in prison) I don't remember what Diana asks Bruce specifically, but it's at the funeral that he says his line "men are still good" and obviously he's learning to have faith in others, despite years of being jaded. Lois is obviously the most affected, as she's the only one who actually knows him personally, at the ship yard she's crying, but that's pretty fair since the love of her life is seemingly dead, before her. Though at the wake, and at the funeral she just seems to be in a state of silent heartbreak. Especially once Martha gives her the engagement ring Clark had planned to give her.

3) Lex has access to Zod's body and the Kryptonian ship, thanks to his deal with the government. As there are no living kryptonian council members he is able to fool the system into allowing him to take control. He does this by using kryptonite to slice off Zod's fingerprints and wears them. He gets into the orange glowing amniotic goo and takes Zod's body with him, he slices his hand and let's his own blood pour over the body, the computer asks something along the lines of "the council has forbidden Dna tampering" and lex is like "they're dead, proceed." It's a little more drawn out and dramatic, but that's kinda the sum of how Doomsday is created. Superman arrives at the crash site while Batman is rescuing Martha, lex gives his "if man won't kill god" speech and behind him a HUUUGE placenta starts to move around and from it Doomsday is born. Lex says something to the effect of "this is your doomsday" but he isn't actually naming the creature. Doomsday grabs supes and the fight moves to the metropolis rooftops. Then to the sky, Stryker's, and the abandoned dock yard in Gotham.

 

[Snark88]

I can't find it, did Pale mention if he liked the film or not? Did he score it?

 

[Charlatan]

Didn't Cavill say there was a firm handshake between Bats/Supes in the film? Where does that fit this storyline? I don't see it.

they shake as Clark and Bruce at Lex's party don't they?

 

[Herolee10]

I think it's better than the idea of Superman being revived in the third act of JL Part 1 after the JL is formed by Batman and WW. I sure am not interested in a DCU without Superman.

It wouldn't surprise me that a Darkseid-controlled Superman Vs. the JL is going to be JL Part 1.

Having superman controlled DS for most of the film is pretty much the same thing as just having him return in the 3rd act. If the Justice League is really a group that involves superman as a member then he needs to be involved in it with them in a non villainous way

 

[GarudA]

Pale

Does it show that Superman is holding back and is allowing batman to nearly kill him?

 

[Rapunzel]

Another pondering: where does the shot of Superman in space fit into things? Pale?

 

[Rapunzel]

they shake as Clark and Bruce at Lex's party don't they?

Pretty sure he meant at the end.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

Another pondering: where does the shot of Superman in space fit into things? Pale?

He said Superman briefly takes the battle into space before it ends up on Stryker's Island.

So far, I believe the synopsis. I actually would be disappointed if it doesn't turn out to be true, unless Snyder and Terrio have something more emotional than the Martha stuff.

 

[Herolee10]

It kind of sucks though that Mercy pretty much dies at the Senate Hearing, if Pale's description is accurate. I mean it feels like she wouldn't have really done anything much if she just goes out like that.

Personally though, I actually like the supposed leaked synopsis that Devin F. brought up one year ago.

 

[ManofSteel37013]

It kind of sucks though that Mercy pretty much dies at the Senate Hearing, if Pale's description is accurate. I mean it feels like she wouldn't have really done anything much if she just goes out like that.

Personally though, I actually like the supposed leaked synopsis that Devin F. brought up one year ago.

What was that?

 

[Dr doomsday]

I can't find it, did Pale mention if he liked the film or not? Did he score it?

He gave it an 8 or nine. As for the lack of characterization complaint give me a break. Bruce sounds very multi layered and we have multiple scenes to confirm it. Superman has scenes with Martha, Lois before it, the bath tub scene, the hearing, if true the Johnathan scene, Martha being captured, the fight scene, the ending. Lois has numerous.

It's not DC's fault that some critics and part of the public seem to think fun and witty characters equals character development. Marvel DC comparison coming up but I don't have any other way to make my point. WS is considered the best Marvel movie as is Avengers what is the actual character development of those movies? Read that summary then tell me with a straight face Avengers has better character development tell me the arcs are deeper. They aren't, character arcs are limited to three scenes tops. If critics didn't complain there they have absolutely no right to complain here.

This is my problem if this is a lack of characterization how does Marvel continue to get by, naturally we're missing some details the relevance of the nightmare will likely be a big part of justice league, anyone remember the weird vision in the new Star Wars clearly set up for sequels same here. If Star Wars can get away with something like that I see no reason this movie can't.

I don't get it, Superman Lois, Batman and Lex sound well characterized Diana's role sounds good enough. The arcs sound great way better than either of the reeve movies. Only Superman got any kind of arc in those Lois was his love interest nothing more here she has her own story her own arc outside of romance. I don't get it, how can someone say this and even MOS have a lack of character development than praise movies like Avengers and SM The movie whose character and emotion are clearly worse, how I don't get it!

 

[Rapunzel]

What was the ending of Faracci's leaked script? Didn't he say his sources told him they kept that? Or was that El Maybe?

 

[BH/HHH]

Having superman controlled DS for most of the film is pretty much the same thing as just having him return in the 3rd act. If the Justice League is really a group that involves superman as a member then he needs to be involved in it with them in a non villainous way

I have to disagree mate, for me it shows that the league can't work without Superman. Once Superman comes back he saves the day and the league.

 

[TDKR1977]

It kind of sucks though that Mercy pretty much dies at the Senate Hearing, if Pale's description is accurate. I mean it feels like she wouldn't have really done anything much if she just goes out like that.

Personally though, I actually like the supposed leaked synopsis that Devin F. brought up one year ago.

Why are you so convinced that it's true?

 

[Broseph44]

Ah another day, and more of Herolee's meltdown.

 

[Herolee10]

What was the ending of Faracci's leaked script? Didn't he say his sources told him they kept that? Or was that El Maybe?

It was supposedly Clark, Diana, and Bruce meeting at the Kent Farm to discuss about the future and looking for other metahumans.

In that outline, Superman had flown Doomsday to the Sun (I think) to defeat him and was presumed dead before revealing that he clearly wasn't.

I have to disagree mate, for me it shows that the league can't work without Superman. Once Superman comes back he saves the day and the league.

But then that would mean that we'd have to wait for JL 2 before Clark could actually develop some type of relationship with his crew members, sans Bruce and Diana.

Plus, I don't think we really need to see Batman v Superman: Round 2, with Superman being controlled this time.

My ideal scenario would just have Superman returning as early as Han Solo did in ROTJ or even Thor in "TA".

Otherwise, the group shots of the entire group would be mislead promotion since Superman wouldn't be considered an actual member until the end of the film.

Why are you so convinced that it's true?

Nothing else to talk about. Well that and how detailed this synopsis is compared to previous ones.

 

[Herolee10]

Ah another day, and more of Herolee's meltdown.

Dude, I'm not having a meltdown. I'm actually just giving my input in a more calm manner. If you keep throwing this hostility towards me then I'm reporting you to the mods.

 

[Jumpman]

It was supposedly Clark, Diana, and Bruce meeting at the Kent Farm to discuss about the future and looking for other metahumans.

In that outline, Superman had flown Doomsday to the Sun (I think) to defeat him and was presumed dead before revealing that he clearly wasn't.



But then that would mean that we'd have to wait for JL 2 before Clark could actually develop some type of relationship with his crew members, sans Bruce and Diana.

Plus, I don't think we really need to see Batman v Superman: Round 2, with Superman being controlled this time.

My ideal scenario would just have Superman returning as early as Han Solo did in ROTJ or even Thor in "TA".

Otherwise, the group shots of the entire group would be mislead promotion since Superman wouldn't be considered an actual member until the end of the film.



Nothing else to talk about. Well that and how detailed this synopsis is compared to previous ones.

Sounds like Devin may have been right all along.

 

[GarudA]

I have to disagree mate, for me it shows that the league can't work without Superman. Once Superman comes back he saves the day and the league.

i would of loved it if Superman comes back and battles Darkseid. This is why they should of saved the death for JL Part 1 and he came back in Part 2 during the battles scene and fight Darkseid when all hope is lost.

 

[Rapunzel]

i would of loved it if Superman comes back and battles Darkseid. This is why they should of saved the death for JL Part 1 and he came back in Part 2 during the battles scene and fight Darkseid when all hope is lost.

I'm not convinced Supes will miss any of JL, even if he "dies" as Pale says. So I'm fine with things.

 

[False Prophet]

Superman has a rumored cameo in WW, so maybe that part of the story continues there.

 

[king666]

I really hope so man!

But stuff like this: Lex has Martha Kent kidnapped and tells Superman he'll kill her in an hour if he doesn't go kill Batman. They fight. As Batman is about to finish Clark, Clark mumbles (with a bloody mouth) something about having to save Martha. This weirdly triggers Batman and he FREAKS OUT, thinking it's a reference to his mother. Starts screaming "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME?" Lois appears and explains that it's his mothers name and Batman like, completely changes his mind about Superman just based on that. Promises him that 'Martha won't die tonight' and goes off to save her.


Making me really nervous....I wanted the fight to be because they misunderstand each other and hate each others methods and ideals. Not because Superman is forced to...

"No Marthas will die tonight"