BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 3

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Still, the way the fight sounds doesn't seem too credible. I mean, why did they set up all that about Superman not liking Batman methods, if the reason he fights him is because he is forced by Luthor? And why would Superman accept so easily?

That's where I get so confused. The trailer peppered us with scenes of Batman and Superman fundamentally disliking their existence, and yet they never fight until Luthor tells Clark to?
 
Can anyone who's seen the film answer these questions?

Is Callan Mulvey KGBeast?
Is he an enhanced super soldier or just a thug?
Does Batman fight anyone impressive without his mech suit?
 
I think that could be the moment where he realizes Superman is much more human than he thought. He realizes that Superman is someone like him, who cares about human beings in a very personal way, because he has a mother and he doesn't want to loser her :)

Yes. Do we know what Supes says to Bats? Why wouldn't Supes rescue her? I guess he is busy dealing with Doomsday?
 
Kidnapping a loved one is the oldest trick in the book.

Yeah, that sounds like a Superfriends plot point. I think audiences are a little more sophisticated than to be galvanized by a momma bonding moment. Hopefully there's a little more meat on the plot bone for those two fighting.
 
Yeah, that sounds like a Superfriends plot point. I think audiences are a little more sophisticated than to be galvanized by a momma bonding moment. Hopefully there's a little more meat on the plot bone for those two fighting.

I hope so...
 
That's where I get so confused. The trailer peppered us with scenes of Batman and Superman fundamentally disliking their existence, and yet they never fight until Luthor tells Clark to?

Well, Bats already wants to fight from the start. That's clear. He's not forced by Luthor.

Supes has learned from MoS that he needs to pick his battles carefully. His thing against Bats is the lack of civil liberties and acting above the law. My guess is he wants to deal with Superman reasonably. Within the law, maybe using the press as a reporter. So it makes sense he wouldn't start anything serious until Lex forces his hand. Lex probably never intended to do that. He probably meant for them to fight naturally, but Supes' good nature makes that impossible. Sounds appropriate to me.
 
As I explained, the mother thing works for me. The only thing I'm unsure is why Superman would accept to fight Batman so easily, or why he doesn't tell him until he gets his ass kicked... or why Batman uses his Kryptonite spear so late in the fight :P

We only have a rough outline, but at first glance there are some logic holes.
 
That's where I get so confused. The trailer peppered us with scenes of Batman and Superman fundamentally disliking their existence, and yet they never fight until Luthor tells Clark to?

How would Superman fighting Batman affect the methods that Batman uses? Superman could beat Batman until he's near death every month and it wouldn't change Batman's outlook on crime fighting. Why would it? It would also just confirm for Batman that Superman is the danger he assumes he is. Superman may disapprove of Batman's methods, but he isn't stupid and he isn't someone who opts for violence as the answer. Having a difference of opinion about methods would have never been sufficient motivation for Superman to engage in a brutal fight with Batman.

The only scenario that would even work to some extent is if Superman catches Batman in the act of vicious enforcement of his form of justice, and he fights him to stop him from crossing a line and to turn him into the authorities. However, a scenario like that doesn't leave any room for the two of the heroes to come to an epiphany or understanding that evolves their dynamic into something more positive.

As it is in the movie, Batman still fights Superman because of his beliefs and Superman fights Batman in a way that ultimately illustrates that he isn't the villain Batman believed he was; thus he fights for his beliefs as well, just in a different way. Yet, because there are other variables involved, it permits the two heroes to find common ground in a way that makes a logical path forward for them as teammates and friends.
 
Its simple. Superman and Batman were going to come to blows eventually.No manipulation was needed. Nothing was stopping that train. Their fight was set in stone. What Lex does is to change the rules of the fight, he made it a death match.
 
Its simple. Superman and Batman were going to come to blows eventually.No manipulation was needed. Nothing was stopping that train. Their fight was set in stone. What Lex does is to change the rules of the fight, he made it a death match.

Yeah pretty much
 
Aquaman just swims out of a cave towards a camera and destroys it, which I like more than the rumor of him being held prisoner by Lex
 
- Does Doomsday talk
- Do we ever see the white lenses/detective mode on the regular suit
- Do we see Darkseid
 
How would Superman fighting Batman affect the methods that Batman uses? Superman could beat Batman until he's near death every month and it wouldn't change Batman's outlook on crime fighting. Why would it? It would also just confirm for Batman that Superman is the danger he assumes he is. Superman may disapprove of Batman's methods, but he isn't stupid and he isn't someone who opts for violence as the answer. Having a difference of opinion about methods would have never been sufficient motivation for Superman to engage in a brutal fight with Batman.

The only scenario that would even work to some extent is if Superman catches Batman in the act of vicious enforcement of his form of justice, and he fights him to stop him from crossing a line and to turn him into the authorities. However, a scenario like that doesn't leave any room for the two of the heroes to come to an epiphany or understanding that evolves their dynamic into something more positive.

As it is in the movie, Batman still fights Superman because of his beliefs and Superman fights Batman in a way that ultimately illustrates that he isn't the villain Batman believed he was; thus he fights for his beliefs as well, just in a different way. Yet, because there are other variables involved, it permits the two heroes to find common ground in a way that makes a logical path forward for them as teammates and friends.

That's great. I always like your posts so much!
 
Can someone that has seen the movie or knows this tell me if this scene

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has the same soundtrack as the one shown at comic-con ???
 
misslane explained it perfectly!
 
Can someone that has seen the movie or knows this tell me if this scene

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has the same soundtrack as the one shown at comic-con ???

If I recall...
Yes, briefly but different from comic-con.
the accompaniment of the soundtrack made it more heartpounding!
 
That's where I get so confused. The trailer peppered us with scenes of Batman and Superman fundamentally disliking their existence, and yet they never fight until Luthor tells Clark to?

Well, for one, Superman confronts Batman after the car chase. That's his first real time confronting him I imagine. Before that, though, he actually goes to Gotham and investigates the Batman. We saw this in set pics and in one BTS photo. So, after that

he's got the Senate hearing I think. And then at night, Lex somehow gets Superman's attention and tells him his plot. Thing is, Superman probably wasn't going to take it as seriously as Batman anyway. Superman probably wasn't planning on engaging in a protracted fight with Batman. He probably would've just scared him/destroyed more of his stuff to keep Batman from being effective. But Lex makes Superman fight to the death I guess. And Lex's men could probably kill Martha faster than Superman could get there and locate her. And even still, we see that Superman tries to get Batman to stop fighting so that he's not forced to kill him.

So, I imagine that the reason they don't immediately fight is because there are other things that happen. Superman isn't so angry with Batman that he wants or even feels the need to fight him in a prolonged struggle. Superman needed something else that would push him into actually fighting Batman.
 
I still want to know about Gal Gadot and Ben Affleck. How well do they interact with each other?
 
I like the idea of Superman and Batman having a clear bond over the fact that both their mom's names were Martha. Something I never thought about.

Yea it's something that's been standing in front of our faces that we never thought of. Personally I like how there is a focus on Bruce's mother since we've never had her in any focus of the Batman films or really in the comics for the most part. I mean there's "yes father, I will become the Bat."

It's kind of also why I never liked Hal Jordan. I remember when I first read Secret Origins and just thought "this guy isn't brave or fearless, he's the biggest *****ebag ever hell even bigger then Guy". I remember how Hal would always treat his mother. I mean I'm not saying Hal shouldn't be who he is but he came off as a dick to his mother so much so that makes him unlikable.
 
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