BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

[Poni_Boy]

Also kind of surprising that Bruce doesn't say a word. It's a bit dumb that it was technically a dream within a dream. He snapped out of the Knightmare to awake to Flash and then after the Flash message he jumped back in his chair holding his chest.

"People liked Inception right? About dreams and **** right? Let's do that too. Find a place for it Chris"

 

[Robin91939]

Such a good movie. So that was flash during the dream?

Yes and no.

Yes that was the Flash, no that wasn't a dream.

The "Knightmare" sequence is seen as one of two ways:

A.) We cut from Bruce at the computer and we are now in the same timeline, just 5+ years into the future. The Justice League has never been formed, but all the heroes know about one another. Superman has been corrupted by Darkseid and he was swayed to the side of evil because Lois has died. Lois has either died at Bruce's hand or it was in some way his fault. Superman says as much when he confronts Batman and pulls of his mask.
Then we cut BACK to Bruce in the present at the computer where he has fallen asleep and he wakes and we see the Flash appear, breaking the space-time continuum to communicate with Bruce and tell him that his paranoia about Superman was justified and that protecting Lois Lane is the key to changing this terrible future. The only problem is, Flash went back in time too far and Bruce doesn't know who the hell he is or what he's talking about.

B.) Bruce is at the computer and falls asleep and has this post-apocalyptic nightmare. When he wakes, The Flash appears with his warning.

In both cases, Flash appears in the real world and actually happened. I like to think that option A is the correct interpretation. And that what we saw wasn't so much a dream as a time jump. Because it would be very strange if option B is the way it is -- Bruce Wayne doesn't haven't any psychic powers or precognition that I know of. So it'd be weird if his nightmare turns out to actually be a premonition that later comes true.

-R

 

[Frankeh]

It's what I've been saying. Sure DC fans could/should LOVE this movie for its imagery and world building but they are so wrapped up in the visual comic booky smorgasbord playing out they are using their catalog of back knowledge to fill in major, important plot points and character arcs. Love it all you want. But understand why you love it.

Exactly. But that's what Zack Snyder wanted I guess. Who cares about telling a coherent story.

 

[Poni_Boy]

In some versions of the story, Darkseid uses technology to send visions to crush people's spirits. It's a type of infection of the soul. Like a virus almost. An advance attack.

God forbid there be any mystery or intrigue to this franchise.

There's mystery and then there's incoherent storytelling. The Knightmare sequence is the equivalent of playing the Suicide Squad trailer IN THE MIDDLE of BvS. Because world building.

 

[JaD]

I called my mom by her first name once. Once. Couldn't talk right for a week.

My cousins call their folks by their first names, it's the strangest thing ha, but it does exist. I'm terrified of even doing it on accident haha.

 

[jmc]

Exactly. But that's what Zack Snyder wanted I guess. Who cares about telling a coherent story.

Who cares about the rest of the audience too, right?

 

[Andreth]

Guys guys
I've told you before, in some stories Clark is in tune with Lois heart beat, this is where they got it for the movie I'm sure, that's how he's able to find her anywhere in the world.

It was a mistake not to explain it on screen it since it's making some of you question why he didn't go after Martha himself before trying to make Batman help him. But oh well, what's done it's done.

I interpreted that as Clark just using his super-hearing.

I meant to explain that even in this comic he's also in tune with her heartbeat that's how he found out she was pregnant. He didn't need to use his super hearing because they were sleeping next to each other, he's just in tune with it, he explains it calms him. He doesn't have to try to hear it with the super hearing, it just happens with her.

 

[Jekecy]

Who cares about the rest of the audience too, right?

My audience loved it.

 

[Frankeh]

There's mystery and then there's incoherent storytelling. The Knightmare sequence is the equivalent of playing the Suicide Squad trailer IN THE MIDDLE of BvS. Because world building.

That's pretty much what Wonder Woman watching the reel demos of the metahumans on her computer felt like.

 

[BatSpider]

Hey guys, just got back from seeing it so its my first time in this thread. I'm sure it's been brought up before but I thought I'd ask


What do you all think Flash meant when he said "you were right" and "Lois is the key" when talking to Bruce?

 

[jmc]

My audience loved it.

I'm obviously talking about people who aren't DC fans.

 

[NateHevens]

That's pretty much what Wonder Woman watching the reel demos of the metahumans on her computer felt like.

Because that's exactly what they both were... commercials.

 

[jokesonm3]

Jokes....do you think the RT stuff affected your viewing? I'm sorry you didn't like it.

Well it did slightly lowered my expectations but MoS was also not critic friendly, and i loved that film so i sat in seat sitting giddy while waiting for the film to start, and guys what i'm about to say, please don't hate me for it.

It was one of the worst films i've honestly seen in a long time, nearly everything was off with it, never in my entire life has a film's pacing and editing affected my viewing experience negatively, but this films was so bad in the pacing and editing to the point where it felt like a two hour mess throughout, hell even homemade Youtube videos don't ruin my viewing experience that badly, it was terrible even by Snyder terms.


And it was dark, really dark, Batman killing of folks casually like an average day as a crime fighter really insulted me as a Batman fan, someone please direct me to any good Batman comic where Batman justifies killing of that magnitude and sadistic brutally, disgusting.

And bloody hell was the CGI horribly bad, i mean you know a Snyder films bad when his visuals for the film are bad and a main criticism of the film.

And lastly I tried to defend Jessie's Lex for time but all throughout the film he was the epitome of cinematic cringe that I have ever seen, he was honestly more Joker/Riddler hybrid than Lex Luthor.

Honestly the best thing about this film was the good score and the strong performances from all but Eisenberg, Affleck apart from the killing is my new favourite Batman and i am absolutely stoked for his solo film, Gal was legendary as Wonder Woman, 2017 can't come here soon enough! Cavill still shines bright as the definitive Superman to me, MoS2 can't get here soon enough, and the rest were really phenomenal too.

But despite the fantastic score and the impressive cast, the bad far outweigh the good for me in this film by a ridiculous long shot, to the point where I controversially agree with the films current RT score, it was that bad! A 4/10 for me at best, legendary performances from Gal Henry and Ben couldn't even save this mess of a movie Snyder made.

Again please don't hate me for this guys, congratulations that you guys really enjoyed this film even though I couldn't.

 

[Poni_Boy]

My cousins call their folks by their first names, it's the strangest thing ha, but it does exist. I'm terrified of even doing it on accident haha.

Not to get too real here (we are *****ing and having fun with a superhero movie after all) but when some of my mates got hurt bad in Iraq they were calling out for their moms. It was always Mom or Ma. That's what the scene reminded me off but in a cheesy way that didn't make sense.

 

[Rapunzel]

Did you like it?

7.5/10. Loved everything Supes though.

 

[Jekecy]

I'm obviously talking about people who aren't DC fans.

What makes it so different from the dozens of other comic book references and easter eggs in film, which aren't necessarily explained?

 

[The Guard]

There's mystery and then there's incoherent storytelling. The Knightmare sequence is the equivalent of playing the Suicide Squad trailer IN THE MIDDLE of BvS. Because world building.

Except that it's not really all that incoherent. It's just a mystery to Bruce WHEN it happens. He starts putting the pieces together as the film goes on.

It's clearly related to the metahumans/growing threat that is part of the subplot, as is the rest of the Knightmare sequence.

And...you realize that in many respects, mystery is designed to be incoherent until enough of the pieces are put together, right?

As far as using existing knowledge of things to fill in blanks...general audience doesn't need to know that person is called The Flash to understand that it's part of a developing storyline. It's someone who wants Bruce's help. Desperately. Someone with weird abilities/technology.

 

[NateHevens]

Well it did slightly lowered my expectations but MoS was also not critic friendly, and i loved that film so i sat in seat sitting giddy while waiting for the film to start, and guys what i'm about to say, please don't hate me for it.

It was one of the worst films i've honestly seen in a long time, nearly everything was off with it, never in my entire life has a film's pacing and editing affected my viewing experience negatively, but this films was so bad in the pacing and editing to the point where it felt like a two hour mess throughout, hell even homemade Youtube videos don't ruin my viewing experience that badly, it was terrible even by Snyder terms.


And it was dark, really dark, Batman killing of folks casually like an average day as a crime fighter really insulted me as a Batman fan, someone please direct me to any good Batman comic where Batman justifies killing of that magnitude and sadistic brutally, disgusting.

And bloody hell was the CGI horribly bad, i mean you know a Snyder films bad when his visuals for the film are bad and a main criticism of the film.

And lastly I tried to defend Jessie's Lex for time but all throughout the film he was the epitome of cinematic cringe that I have ever seen, he was honestly more Joker/Riddler hybrid than Lex Luthor.

Honestly the best thing about this film was the good score and the strong performances from all but Eisenberg, Affleck apart from the killing is my new favourite Batman and i am absolutely stoked for his solo film, Gal was legendary as Wonder Woman, 2017 can't come here soon enough! Cavill still shines bright as the definitive Superman to me, MoS2 can't get here soon enough, and the rest were really phenomenal too.

But despite the fantastic score and the impressive cast, the bad far outweigh the good for me in this film by a ridiculous long shot, to the point where I controversially agree with the films current RT score, it was that bad! A 4/10 for me at best, legendary performances from Gal Henry and Ben couldn't even save this mess of a movie Snyder made.

Again please don't hate me for this guys, congratulations that you guys really enjoyed this film even though I couldn't.

My score is higher (6/10). Also, maybe I just have a bad eye for it, but I didn't think the CGI was bad at all (maybe Doomsday).

Otherwise, though, I agree with you.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Mr. President, some strange monster just appeared, helicopters did nothing...we should probably just start shooting off nuclear missiles, right?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Hey guys, just got back from seeing it so its my first time in this thread. I'm sure it's been brought up before but I thought I'd ask


What do you all think Flash meant when he said "you were right" and "Lois is the key" when talking to Bruce?

They just told me it's a direct reference to the Injustice comics and video games. How that fits into the movie I can't help you with

 

[jmc]

What makes it so different from the dozens of other comic book references and easter eggs in film, which aren't necessarily explained?

If they aren't explained or don't have any relevance to the story at hand then you have to call into question why you'd bother putting them in.

 

[JaD]

Not to get too real here (we are *****ing and having fun with a superhero movie after all) but when some of my mates got hurt bad in Iraq they were calling out for their moms. It was always Mom or Ma. That's what the scene reminded me off but in a cheesy way that didn't make sense.

I've heard of stories like that, no shame at all. I guess it could have been improved a bit in the film, my only problem is the extended replay of the flashback, like showing the gun going off again and seeing lil' Bruce screaming. As cliche as it sounds if they were going to show some quick flashbacks they could have cut it down or filmed some happier moments with his parents and mom, not show as much of the beginning of the film we already watched as they did.

 

[Sho Nuff]

Yes, this is what I'm saying, it's not a dream, it's a flashforward....

With all the crazyness that is going on, the worlds greatest detective makes not a peep about an [BLACKOUT]ironman villain [/BLACKOUT] I mean

Spoiler

Flash

coming out of nowhere?

Are people really filling in that many blanks with a backstory/future JS out of that scene?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Except that it's not really all that incoherent. It's just a mystery to Bruce WHEN it happens. He starts putting the pieces together as the film goes on.

It's clearly related to the metahumans/growing threat that is part of the subplot, as is the rest of the Knightmare sequence.

Where? When? Tell me because I missed the **** out of that follow up. Nothing in the Knightmare had anything to do with the rest of the movie

WHAT metahuman subplot? One line and two visuals is not a subplot. A subPLOT is still a PLOT that has to be resolved in the story.

 

[Jekecy]

If they aren't explained or don't have any relevance to the story at hand then you have to call into question why you'd bother putting them in.

You find zero merit in treating fans and/or providing a tease at what the future holds in store?