BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK.

[Boy Scout]

Ah..I thought you knew. Weeeeeell this is the spoiler thread. Yeah there were pics of people putting flowers down around the statue and it's no doubt broken.

If we're talking about the "If You're Looking for His Monument..." picture, then you have literally no way of knowing if the statue is broken or not.

 

[matt47]

If we're talking about the "If You're Looking for His Monument..." picture, then you have literally no way of knowing if the statue is broken or not.

No not that one. Set pics from like a year ago.

 

[matt47]

Spoiler

What if (and someone will probably beat me to this speculation) it's a reverse of The Dark Knight Returns where Superman is the one faking his own death instead of Batman?

Why would he need to?

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Why would he need to?

Cavill walked up to Terrio and Snyder one day, while snickering.

"Hey, you guys wanna make nerds on the internet freak out for a week or two?"

 

[Boy Scout]

No not that one. Set pics from like a year ago.

This one of the photos you're talking about?

 

[sportjames23]

Why would he need to?

Who knows? Just throwing it out there.

 

[matt47]

This one of the photos you're talking about?

Uhh..are we allowed to post set pics?

But, no not that one.

 

[Boy Scout]

I think so.

I'm sorry for being annoying about this, but I don't remember any other set photos that were dissimilar to that one.

 

[matt47]

I think so.

I'm sorry for being annoying about this, but I don't remember any other set photos that were dissimilar to that one.

Okay, I'll post it.

 

[Herolee10]

How can you say that it's a bad ending when you haven't even seen it yet?

Superman dying (or "dying") to protect the world from Doomsday could turn out to be a genuinely emotional moment.

It's about timing. To kill him in his second film, especially when you know that he'll come back at some point in the JL film would seem fruitless to me.

Plus, you'd have to waste time in explaining on how he comes back in JL, thus limiting on what else you could do with his scenes in JL.

 

[TWayneP]

If this turns out to be a nightmare sequence, then its just a giant tease. I really WISH we COULD actually get the death of Superman via Doomsday on screen. Properly. Ugh.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

It's about timing. To kill him in his second film, especially when you know that he'll come back at some point in the JL film would seem fruitless to me.

Plus, you'd have to waste time in explaining on how he comes back in JL, thus limiting on what else you could do with his scenes in JL.

Exactly!

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, at this point, I'm just getting ready to accept that it doesn't seem like Superman will have that big of a role in the formation of the JL as I had been hoping for.

I mean you had Snyder talking about how you can't do a JL film without getting Superman's world in order and yet he still goes about doing JL while killing Superman (supposedly and temporarily) in his Second Film.

And I don't see the League being formed as a means to honor Superman's memory as him playing an active role in the formation of the group.

Just because the Avengers united after Coulson was "killed", doesn't mean that Coulson was an founding member of the group (nor treated/viewed as such).

 

[Boy Scout]

Okay, I'll post it.

I vaguely remember that one. Thanks for posting it. Sorry I was so annoying about it.

I still don't think that's evidence of his death, though.

It's about timing. To kill him in his second film, especially when you know that he'll come back at some point in the JL film would seem fruitless to me.

But again, you haven't actually seen them do it, or felt the impact of that moment. Films need to be able to stand on their own, and if killing Superman is what's best for the story they're telling, I support it.

Plus, you'd have to waste time in explaining on how he comes back in JL, thus limiting on what else you could do with his scenes in JL.

Wouldn't dealing with the consequences of his death and subsequent resurrection emphasize the importance of Superman's character and his role within the League? I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

 

[Binker]

More and more reasons why Superman cannot be dead in BvS.

You know what? What if he does die, but for a moment (like JJ Abrams' Flyby)? Or he's not dead at all, but he is waking up and being given his strength back after near death, similar to MOS but taking cues from the "flower scene" from Dark Knight Returns.

It just strikes me that if Superman did die, no one was saying hinting that before now. It wasn't "the ending will leave you in tears", but more of "a moment with Bruce & Clark that'll choke you up". Why mention Clark WITH Bruce if he's dead? It sounds more like he's ALIVE to have a scene with Bruce.

 

[Herolee10]

I would rather spend time seeing Superman actively building his relationships/friendships with the other league members and doing other things than wasting time on getting him revived.

And I have no desire to see Superman die in a film where his fight against Batman is the main driving force of the film and where Batman is the one allowed to survive.

I frankly don't care how it's done. Superman staying dead at the end of the film is a big no from me, regardless of execution. And I will never sell myself short in buying otherwise just because everyone else thinks that it's the cool thing to do.

 

[Herolee10]

More and more reasons why Superman cannot be dead in BvS.

You know what? What if he does die, but for a moment (like JJ Abrams' Flyby)? Or he's not dead at all, but he is waking up and being given his strength back after near death, similar to MOS but taking cues from the "flower scene" from Dark Knight Returns.

It just strikes me that if Superman did die, no one was saying hinting that before now. It wasn't "the ending will leave you in tears", but more of "a moment with Bruce & Clark that'll choke you up". Why mention Clark WITH Bruce if he's dead? It sounds more like he's ALIVE to have a scene with Bruce.

It's possible that the moment between Bruce and Clark that has people talking a lot could take place at the climax of their fight as opposed to the finale of the film.

Or it could also take place in a situation where Superman decides to sacrifice himself and has some final words with Batman before he "dies".

 

[antoineflemming]

It's about timing. To kill him in his second film, especially when you know that he'll come back at some point in the JL film would seem fruitless to me.

Plus, you'd have to waste time in explaining on how he comes back in JL, thus limiting on what else you could do with his scenes in JL.

It's not fruitless if the purpose of his death is something other than pure shock value. What if the purpose of his death is to show the extent to which he'd sacrifice himself for humanity, to show the world and all his haters that he does have their best interest at heart? What if his death isn't just for the audience, but for everyone within the story?

 

[Binker]

It's possible that the moment between Bruce and Clark that has people talking a lot could take place at the climax of their fight as opposed to the finale of the film.

Or it could also take place in a situation where Superman decides to sacrifice himself and has some final words with Batman before he "dies".

Either way, makes no sense to kill him off.

Also makes you wonder what the ll JL1 is about...

 

[Herolee10]

It's not fruitless if the purpose of his death is something other than pure shock value. What if the purpose of his death is to show the extent to which he'd sacrifice himself for humanity, to show the world and all his haters that he does have their best interest at heart? What if his death isn't just for the audience, but for everyone within the story?

Then they chose to tell the wrong story at this point in time imho.

You don't kill one of DC's Biggest Players on the eve of your biggest DC Film: Justice League.

It seems as though I'll have to wait for MOS 2 (which none of us know when that'll happen) before we can possibly get a great superman film from start to finish since we haven't gotten that yet and doesn't seem like we'll be getting it within the near future.

 

[Herolee10]

Either way, makes no sense to kill him off.

Also makes you wonder what the ll JL1 is about...

Personally, if he stays dead at the end of this film, I plan on holding off from watching this film until I see on how they handle his return in JL. If it seems like his JL appearance won't be all that great, then I'm done with the DCEU entirely.

 

[Binker]

Personally, if he stays dead at the end of this film, I plan on holding off from watching this film until I see on how they handle his return in JL. If it seems like his JL appearance won't be all that great, then I'm done with the DCEU entirely.

How you feel is also why Superman doesn't die in BvS, or at all for that matter

 

[Herolee10]

How you feel is also why Superman doesn't die in BvS, or at all for that matter

Well I wish we had an actual reliable source who's seen the film that could confirm this.

At this point, I'll prefer Superman losing his fight against Batman then having him stay dead at the end of this film. Course, I don't really want an "Matrix Reloaded" type of situation either where his fate is left in a cliffhanger.

 

[Lone]

I can see them killing him off on MOS2 and resurrecting him in JL2 and show the impact of his death in all the DCEU solo movies in between.

I don't mind them killing him off this early if it's done properly though.

 

[Binker]

Well I wish we had an actual reliable source who's seen the film that could confirm this.

Don't we already? Boxoffice, whatever his name, and those two guys.

Him, and two others, said to me that he doesn't die.