BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK.

[MrsKent26]

Herolee,

Are you saying that there's no way you could enjoy BvS if superman "dies," regardless of the context, execution, acting, and follow-up scenes?

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Well in cases like this, it's more about the end result then it is about execution/presentation. Even if Superman's death is shown in a powerful and emotional way, while I could perhaps end up appreciate on how it was done (from a artistic standpoint), it would still be the same result: Superman's dead at the end of BvS.

And just like how people have already told me: Well what if Superman dies now and comes back heroically in JL?

My counter-argument to that is..even though Superman's return in the JL is a guaranteed thing, there's no guarantee that he'll have a BIG role like the other members would have because of the fact that he would have been dead for a portion of the film until fully revived.

And I've already used examples like how Thor was sidelined for the beginning of "The Avengers" and Neo for "Matrix Revolutions".

My one and only wish was to see Superman be involved from start to finish in JL, in the formation of the League.



And that could also result in the reason on why Clark ends up potentially sacrificing himself; to ensure that he doesn't fail the world.

You're the Chicken Little of SHH and that's saying something. I appreciate that you love Superman and all, I do as well, but your pessimism is really bringing down this subforum. Some of us are bracing for the release and are trying to remain unfazed by the negative criticism. I know I've put up with enough ******** from the critics for the last 3 years. Don't need "one of our own" whining on top of it all. No one is trying to insult you, but your non stop complaining and concerns are bad for morale. I'm trying to go into BvS hyped.

 

[Broseph44]

Either way I still think you're being extremely over dramatic. The long ranting posts kind of prove that.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

The more I think on it, the more I like the idea of Superman "dying" to save the earth. I just think a funeral scene could wind up a little cheesy depending on how it's handled. If he's thought to be dead for a few moments before being shown he's alright, I think that'll be perfect.

As far as Superman getting shortchanged, we already have "if I wanted it, you'd be dead already." And if Superman really does "die" to defeat Doomsday, then he does something that Batman wouldn't have been able to do (beat Doomsday) in order to save the planet.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Well.... ****.lol



And despite our differences in opinions, I respect your honesty.




I guess I just saved myself 20 dollars then. I'm wondering if I should just throw away my man of Steel DVD as well.

Thank you Mr Snyder for ruining my childhood hero.

Jeez, the character really must be cursed. His first franchise ends in shame because of his greedy ass producers (Salkinds)

He is brought back to the big screen 20 years only to have a kid out of wedlock and stuck in a junk film

And now, he gets killed off, albeit temporarily, in his second film while batman gets to shine from beginning to end.

Snyder can F'off for all I care. I'm done with the dceu.

 

[Herolee10]

Herolee,

Are you saying that there's no way you could enjoy BvS if superman "dies," regardless of the context, execution, acting, and follow-up scenes?

Unless Superman was revived before the credits started rolling in BvS, then yeah, I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.

If this has been a solo Superman film, without having to place so much focus on Batman as well, along with the Justice League already formed (with Superman having been in a leadership role for the group) then I would actually be open to the idea of him "dying" in this film.

It's probably why I have no problems with the possibility that Steve Rogers may "die" at the end of "Civil War" like he did in the comics, only to be revived for Infinity War soon afterwards.

You're the Chicken Little of SHH and that's saying something. I appreciate that you love Superman and all, I do as well, but your pessimism is really bringing down this subforum. Some of us are bracing for the release and are trying to remain unfazed by the negative criticism. I know I've put up with enough ******** from the critics for the last 3 years. Don't need "one of our own" whining on top of it all. No one is trying to insult you, but your non stop complaining and concerns are bad for morale. I'm trying to go into BvS hyped.

Well I do apologize if I'm bringing bad morale, though I was under the impression that nothing could faze some of the posters here. We've had some hardcore trolls come and go, with their posts and attitude being way worse than mine and that never really phased them.

Personally, I would rather get al of this frustration out right now then keep it bottled in.

Either way I still think you're being extremely over dramatic. The long ranting posts kind of prove that.

Well if it helps, you're welcome to put me on your ignore list Broseph. Look, I've learned the hard way from other experiences that it's not really healthy to keep one's frustration bottled up inside so I'm just venting it all out right now.

Sure, I can admit right now that even I agree that I'm being a "Diva" right now...and it's only because I feel like I had the wrong expectations going into this film.

 

[Broseph44]

At least you're acknowledging it haha ^

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Herolee, if it makes you feel better, I don't agree with you but totally understand your frustration. I get carried away a lot with stuff like this.

I got a little nervous for the movie upon reading these rumors and started to think it might not be as great as I was hoping, but I just gotta take a deep breath and try to enjoy it.

 

[Herolee10]

Herolee, if it makes you feel better, I don't agree with you but totally understand your frustration. I get carried away a lot with stuff like this.

I got a little nervous for the movie upon reading these rumors and started to think it might not be as great as I was hoping, but I just gotta take a deep breath and try to enjoy it.

Well I definitely appreciate you're kind words.

My own personal frustrations aside, I'm also kind of bewildered about one thing.

We've already had a few, if not several, tweets of people who have gone to early screenings commenting on how they really thought the film was great, ended on a great note, and even thought that it was superior to MOS (which some have also noted that they didn't care for as much as they did BvS).

So if that's the case, either people are really okay with the idea of Superman dying in this film (with the execution of it having been one hell of a moment in the film) or people consider downbeat endings to be a great thing.

I mean, I just have a hard time picture people seeing downbeat endings as a great experience, especially with all of the complaints that MOS got for being too dark.

 

[MrsKent26]

Unless Superman was revived before the credits started rolling in BvS, then yeah, I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.

If this has been a solo Superman film, without having to place so much focus on Batman as well, along with the Justice League already formed (with Superman having been in a leadership role for the group) then I would actually be open to the idea of him "dying" in this film.

It's probably why I have no problems with the possibility that Steve Rogers may "die" at the end of "Civil War" like he did in the comics, only to be revived for Infinity War soon afterwards.

It's possible that he could be revived by the end or that his revival is hint at and fulfilled in JL.

 

[Herolee10]

It's possible that he could be revived by the end or that his revival is hint at and fulfilled in JL.

Hell, I'd gladly take a "Iron Giant" type ending where the steps to his revival is being taken and closes out the film.

I just don't want his screen time in "Justice League" to be sucked up by whatever story device they use to bring him back.

 

[JoshuaGraham]

Well I definitely appreciate you're kind words.

My own personal frustrations aside, I'm also kind of bewildered about one thing.

We've already had a few, if not several, tweets of people who have gone to early screenings commenting on how they really thought the film was great, ended on a great note, and even thought that it was superior to MOS (which some have also noted that they didn't care for as much as they did BvS).

So if that's the case, either people are really okay with the idea of Superman dying in this film (with the execution of it having been one hell of a moment in the film) or people consider downbeat endings to be a great thing.

I mean, I just have a hard time picture people seeing downbeat endings as a great experience, especially with all of the complaints that MOS got for being too dark.

What if the end credit shows superman being alive? It ends basically with Bruce and Diana thinking Superman is dead but we the audience are shown that he isn't? Would you be okay with that?

 

[InspecktahDeck]

I'd like if they did something like Clark flying Doomsday into the atmosphere where it appears Doomsday dies, and Clark passes out. Fade to black, and it cuts

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to a ruined Superman monument (maybe destroyed in the final fight) with the "If you seek his monument, look around you" to show a brighter, prosperous Metropolis with a few scenes inbetween before revealing Clark is still alive.

I think burying him would just be overly corny.

 

[Herolee10]

What if the end credit shows superman being alive? It ends basically with Bruce and Diana thinking Superman is dead but we the audience are shown that he isn't? Would you be okay with that?

I'd gladly take it as well.

Longer story even shorter this time, I'd be fine with anything as long as the film didn't end with the notion to the audiences (even though we all know otherwise per JL) that Superman was, without a doubt, currently dead.

I want the film to end on a hopeful note for Superman, not on a downer.

 

[MrsKent26]

Hell, I'd gladly take a "Iron Giant" type ending where the steps to his revival is being taken and closes out the film.

I just don't want his screen time in "Justice League" to be sucked up by whatever story device they use to bring him back.

I understand the concerns about his screen time, but I also think there's a real possibility that it will be Iron Giant-style.

I definitely think you should still see the film to find out.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Maybe you'll get to change your custom title from "Sucks to be Superman" to "Feels Good to be Superman"

 

[sportjames23]

I'd love for him to die and STAY dead. Someone had a really good post a few pages back about how if Supes is dead that's the real reason to form the Justice League. Wonder Woman for his strength, the Flash for his speed and so on. I'd love to see him come back to life as a cliffhanger for Justice Leage #1. If he dies and comes back at the end of the movie I'm going to be like, "Meh...".

Dude, really?

 

[Herolee10]

I understand the concerns about his screen time, but I also think there's a real possibility that it will be Iron Giant-style.

I definitely think you should still see the film to find out.

Or, I'll wait till some folks here sees it and find out on what happens in the end.lol

Strangely enough, I was on the fence about "X-Men: Apocalypse" before because after the first trailer had come out, I had misunderstood on what the story was trying to get at. Basically, I thought they were going to present Apocalypse where he was "God", the mutant that started most of the world religions as a result of his actions in the past. For those that don't know by now, I'm a Christian so I was kind of offended by that and I was thinking that I wouldn't go and watch it because of that interpretation.

But Singer actually clarified on that in a later interview so now I plan on going to check it out.lol

But yeah, I really don't want to go and spend some of my hard earned money if the film ends up being what I fear that it could be.

Maybe you'll get to change your custom title from "Sucks to be Superman" to "Feels Good to be Superman"

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Well.... ****.lol



And despite our differences in opinions, I respect your honesty.




I guess I just saved myself 20 dollars then. I'm wondering if I should just throw away my man of Steel DVD as well.

Thank you Mr Snyder for ruining my childhood hero.

Jeez, the character really must be cursed. His first franchise ends in shame because of his greedy ass producers (Salkinds)

He is brought back to the big screen 20 years only to have a kid out of wedlock and stuck in a junk film

And now, he gets killed off, albeit temporarily, in his second film while batman gets to shine from beginning to end.

Snyder can F'off for all I care. I'm done with the dceu.

mwhahahahaha snyder's master plan worked! he made a superman movie just so he could get to batman and start his own batman cinematic frank miller universe!

 

[InspecktahDeck]

For those that don't know by now, I'm a Christian so I was kind of offended by that and I was thinking that I wouldn't go and watch it because of that interpretation.

I thought that had been the case when you mentioned Superman had a child "out of wedlock."

I'm Catholic myself but I ignore things like that when it comes to entertainment, like the Legend of Zelda doesn't bother me having three goddesses or it's nods to Christian symbolism.

The only reason it bothered me in Man of Steel was because I didn't like Clark waiting 33 years to become a hero and Jor-El shouldn't think with absolute certainty his son will be a great hero, merely give him a chance to escape Krypton and hope things go well.

It's not so much comparisons to Jesus or Moses that I find sacrilegious but more that I think they don't believe Superman can stand on his own as a character.

As far as the out of wedlock thing, isn't Clark said to be a Methodist? I can't recall if they ever got specific other than his mentions of believing in a God and his childhood in Kansas. Either way, despite that a lot of people having children out of wedlock usually isn't the best thing for a child (not always, just in a lot of cases) I'd argue that Clark is prone to making weird decisions or mistakes like anyone else, regardless of good intentions.

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Let's be real though, the thing that really kneecapped that movie from the start was that it was a sequel to the Donner films

 

[Rorschach2012]

smh, back when Doomsday was just a rumor, i was always a supporter of the death of Superman and the inclusion of Doomsday. IT CAN be done well. I'm positive of this.

 

[revenant78]

Has anybody read the spoiler thread from Volguus Zildrohar over on IMDB? He is claiming Green Arrow is in the movie. And Aquaman is a regal beach bum. And something about a giant turtle. It's quite hilarious.

 

[Herolee10]

I thought that had been the case when you mentioned Superman had a child "out of wedlock."

I'm Catholic myself but I ignore things like that when it comes to entertainment, like the Legend of Zelda doesn't bother me having three goddesses or it's nods to Christian symbolism.

The only reason it bothered me in Man of Steel was because I didn't like Clark waiting 33 years to become a hero and Jor-El shouldn't think with absolute certainty his son will be a great hero, merely give him a chance to escape Krypton and hope things go well.

It's not so much comparisons to Jesus or Moses that I find sacrilegious but more that I think they don't believe Superman can stand on his own as a character.

As far as the out of wedlock thing, isn't Clark said to be a Methodist? I can't recall if they ever got specific other than his mentions of believing in a God and his childhood in Kansas. Either way, despite that a lot of people having children out of wedlock usually isn't the best thing for a child (not always, just in a lot of cases) I'd argue that Clark is prone to making weird decisions or mistakes like anyone else, regardless of good intentions.

Spoiler

Let's be real though, the thing that really kneecapped that movie from the start was that it was a sequel to the Donner films

lol; actually the whole child out of wedlock thing was more in reference to the scrutiny it brought by a few fans, along with the unnecessary love triangle and how people kept bringing up that Superman left Lois knocked up, etc.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

That's true, it was more him leaving that's the messed up part. I actually totally forgot Lois had a boyfriend in the movie.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

mwhahahahaha snyder's master plan worked! he made a superman movie just so he could get to batman and start his own batman cinematic frank miller universe!

Lol I'd be okay with that. Have Batman beat Superman senseless, then kill him off. JLA would be better without him anyway...