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[E-Man]

Be a star....yeah I'll be a star alright.

 

[Superark]

The New TNA Knockouts site is up and running

http://www.wrestlingknockouts.com/

Oh My!

 

[Superark]

 

[Frico]

Damn...

 

[Hunter Rider]

Sweet Mercy!!!!!! Here's a few more.

 

[Calavera]

I agree. Taker could've been matched with Reigns or Rollins but Ambrose was chosen and Im sure it wasn't the bookers' decision alone. Taker has creative input for his matches.



Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but for those reasons you wrote and, if Taker decides to end the streak, whomever beats it will get a mega push as a heel and as a main eventer.

anyone who ends the streak will become THE man. punk dosent need it at this point.

also, i didnt know roman reigns is a anoai. legendary family

seth rollins, people call him a cm punk rip off but he got 100% better when he got on nxt. the guy will be huge

 

[Superark]

And apparently Miss Tessmacher has a twin sister. That is too much hotness for this Earth to handle

 

[The Sage]

I'm ambivalent as regards Cena ending the streak, I've always felt something like that in a business that is a work should only exist to be used to put someone over, records were made to be broken and all that. I'd much prefer Ambrose for sure, but it would take a lot of work in one year to get him to the point of being a threat to the streak, let alone ending it.

Ambrose would need booking like Brock Lesnar's rookie year. He's in his late 20s, so he's at a good age that he could ride the reputation of ending the Streak for a good decade or so.

Oh yeah Triple H buried him in the match, Vince made the call and Trips took full advantage by kicking out of Booker's finish immediately and then yes, beating him with a single pedigree.

I think what should have happened is Booker should have snapped in the match, got DQ'd and beat Triple to a bloody mess, so while he didn't get the title he still got his payback.

That would've worked perfectly and neither would be weak coming out of the match.

I'm pretty sure Rollins weighs the least and is the shortest.

It must be the camera angles because Rollins at times looks a few inches taller.

Just had a thought. I do think if Cena turns heel, he is likely to get cheered. When Hogan turned heel, no one expected it. Everyone is really just waiting for the turn to happen for Cena.

 

[The Sage]

Just caught Antonio Cesaro vs Adrian Neville on NXT this week. Neville was formerly Pac on the Indies. Saw him once, it was hard to gauge his abilities since the match he was in a spotfest. Showed a lot of athleticism though.

Good match between the two. Worth checking out. Neville's got a good look and several flashy moves, including a corkscrew shooting star press. I can see him getting called up once they have plans for him.

 

[NDX]

Just caught Antonio Cesaro vs Adrian Neville on NXT this week. Neville was formerly Pac on the Indies. Saw him once, it was hard to gauge his abilities since the match he was in a spotfest. Showed a lot of athleticism though.

Good match between the two. Worth checking out. Neville's got a good look and several flashy moves, including a corkscrew shooting star press. I can see him getting called up once they have plans for him.

And that was all of PAC's matches in the indies. The few matches I've seen him in live were horrible. Just plain horrible.

 

[the dmg]

Agreed. We don't want another Cesaro situation.

Cesaro was doing well for himself until the yodeling. He had the Rugby character and the word in five seconds things, which sucked. Once they pushed him with the US title and dropped Oksana, he was being pushed for his throwback style and his rugby toughness. Think about him using the Neutrilizer on Khali and Clay. Yeah, they may not be upper tier, but it made him look strong, which was a great way to get him started. Since he's foreign, the US title is a good way to get their heel characters over, but it can only go so far. Hell, I think he even beat Orton cleanly when he had momentum, but then once he was paired with Ryback, he looked like a complete chicken ****, gets fed to Orton, and after destroying Miz is routinely losing to him.

It's really criminal what the hell they were thinking by changing this and have him do the yodeling on top of it. The guy is one of their best workers, as he can work against any style and make his opponent look like a million bucks. I've said it before, but it begs repeating that when he wrestled against Sin Cara, Sin Cara looked great because Cesaro world traveled. Hell, even against someone like Khali, who can barely do anything in the ring, Cesaro made him look good and showed his strength.

I'm sure Vince had a hand in Cesaro doing his anti-American stick, and when it got stale, Vince got bored.

Just caught Antonio Cesaro vs Adrian Neville on NXT this week. Neville was formerly Pac on the Indies. Saw him once, it was hard to gauge his abilities since the match he was in a spotfest. Showed a lot of athleticism though.

Good match between the two. Worth checking out. Neville's got a good look and several flashy moves, including a corkscrew shooting star press. I can see him getting called up once they have plans for him.

Pac is pretty much a spot monkey, but he's really good at it. He needs to work on things like ring psychology and mic work, but he's a really exciting performer. He really needs a name change though, and maybe they should put a mask him to do what Sin Cara couldn't. Replace Mysterio.

 

[RetroNaz]

I really wish WWE would consider a legitimate lightweight division (cruiserweight).

 

[Wheels]

Pac is pretty much a spot monkey, but he's really good at it. He needs to work on things like ring psychology and mic work, but he's a really exciting performer. He really needs a name change though, and maybe they should put a mask him to do what Sin Cara couldn't. Replace Mysterio.

I was thinking the same thing. I've never seen Neville mess up a spot, so maybe he would work better than Sin Cara.

 

[the dmg]

I was thinking the same thing. I've never seen Neville mess up a spot, so maybe he would work better than Sin Cara.

Pac has been able to work something similar to the WWE style. The problem with what happened with Sin Cara is really WWE's and HHH's fault. Instead of putting him in NXT for a few months to get used to how the WWE works, they put him directly on the main roster.

If any WWE fans were aware of Mistico's work outside of WWE, they would see that the guy is truly amazing.

 

[JabarR]

Impact Wrestling Spoilers for next week

Spoiler

Impact Wrestling (Airing May 2nd on Spike TV)

* Chris Sabin defeated Zema Ion & Sonjay Dutt.

* Rob Terry defeated Robbie E, Jessie Godderz & Joey Ryan in a 1-on-3 handicap match.

* Kurt Angle defeated D’Lo Brown in an “I Quit” match.

* Mickie James & Taryn Terrell defeated Gail Kim & Tara.

* In-ring segment with Austin Aries & Bobby Roode.

* Number one contender’s match for the TNA Tag Team Championship was set for May 9th with James Storm as special guest referee.

* Sting defeated Matt Morgan to become the number one contender for the TNA Championship.

* It is announced that Sting will challenge Bully Ray for the title at Slammiversary.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ambrose would need booking like Brock Lesnar's rookie year. He's in his late 20s, so he's at a good age that he could ride the reputation of ending the Streak for a good decade or so.

There are some strong factors in Ambrose's favor but it's not as easy to book a guy his size in a dominant manner, it may need a different tact as I can't see him bulldozing through the roster.

That would've worked perfectly and neither would be weak coming out of the match.

Yep, it's the sort of thing Haitch's idol Flair would have done in order to get the right conclusion, put the other guy over and still keep the title where it needed to be.

It must be the camera angles because Rollins at times looks a few inches taller.

Well Ambrose surprised me at TLC when he squared up to Ryback, he was taller than I thought. I checked and Rollins is 6'2 & 217lbs, while Ambrose is 6'4 & 225lbs.

Just had a thought. I do think if Cena turns heel, he is likely to get cheered. When Hogan turned heel, no one expected it. Everyone is really just waiting for the turn to happen for Cena.

It depends on what type of heel he is made into. If they make him a badass then yes, if they have him rant in a "shoot" promo about the fans and how he's not been given the respect his hard work deserves, then yes.

However if they have him simply dissolve fully into being a smug prick who basically starts talking about how fans are just clueless on business and that he's happy to be the corporate created face of the company as it makes him lots of money, and the smarks just need to accept that he's a better fit than some tattooed indie hero or a big pasty Irish clown, THEN I think he'll transition into a proper heel with heat.

 

[vantheman77]

I like seeing Hulk Hogan and Sting fight off the Aces and Eights like Superman and Batman. The hook of this week's Impact was the confrontation of Hulk Hogan and Bully Ray, which what the show was building towards.

Matt Morgan cuts a good mic promo, but I agree with Hogan's decision.

This is one of those instances where we have 2 Knockouts matches instead of one and both Taryn Terrell and Velvet Sky used rollups against veterans like Tara and Mickie James.

I like how the opening segment went from James Storm/ AJ Styles/ Bad Influence to Aces and Eights/ Joseph Park.

The tag team title match was good, but where do Chavo and Hernandez go from here? Probably Aces and Eights. They're third wheel to Roode/ Aries and Bad Influence.

I had a feeling they were going to pair up Robbie E and Jesse Godderz since Rob Terry broke up with E. I hope Tara and Jesse didn't breakup offscreen.

They're hyping up Chris Sabin's return as I look forward to his new in-ring style.

Loving the new Knockouts website as I bookmarked it.

 

[bullets]

I don't care. I know not every wrestler is going to pose with it or any other belt I might have. I think its pretty cool though especially since three of those guys were former US Champions. Its ironic that Vince phased out the title in 3 months and kept Cena's inferior looking next spinning belt for 8 years.

That's a strange request , but I give you points for thinking outside the box. At least most of them were cool about it.


RE: The Streak.


That should end with Undertaker's last match. I can't think of a better way for him to retire. That would also give the streak a bit of closure. Otherwise people will want Taker come out of retirement even when he is seventy years old. I think he still has another two or three years left. He seems healthy.

Orton ending the streak would of been a terrible mistake. The streak has been the best thing about Mania the last few years. Also with Orton's change of persona it wouldn't of done much good . Another thing is that Orton hasn't lived up to his potential.

 

[Slushy]

I've pretty much met every wrestler from my generation aside from The Rock (you can imagine my frustration) so aside from getting a picture with them and a few autographs, I'd figure I'd do something different upon the next time I meet them. After all, it is my first belt. Hard to believe its 8 years old, but I fell in love with it after seeing its debut at Armageddon 2004. Its also a good way for Wrestler X to remember me since not many people carry around that title as everybody owns the damn WWE Championship Spinner these days.

Orton ending the streak would of been a terrible mistake. The streak has been the best thing about Mania the last few years. Also with Orton's change of persona it wouldn't of done much good . Another thing is that Orton hasn't lived up to his potential.

While Orton is to blame for letting world champion go to his head, I also fault Triple H for not putting him over especially at Wrestlemania 25. I lost count of how many times Orton jobbed to Hunter in their 5 year feud.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Why exactly is Ambrose getting some potential build up to face Taker at Mania instead of Reigns when Reigns is the leader of the group?

 

[bullets]

I've pretty much met every wrestler from my generation aside from The Rock (you can imagine my frustration) so aside from getting a picture with them and a few autographs, I'd figure I'd do something different upon the next time I meet them. After all, it is my first belt. Hard to believe its 8 years old, but I fell in love with it after seeing its debut at Armageddon 2004. Its also a good way for Wrestler X to remember me since not many people carry around that title since everybody owns the damn WWE Championship Spinner these days.



While Orton is to blame for letting world champion go to his head, I also fault Triple H for not putting him over especially at Wrestlemania 25. I lost count of how many times Orton jobbed to Hunter in their 5 year feud.

I'm not good about meeting wrestlers. I can't think of what to say or get nervous. Oddly I never had that problem when I met Bret Hart though and he's my all time favorite. Hopefully I can attend Axess next year. There should be a lot of big names. Rock must be very difficult. You might have better being around a place where he's filming a movie.



Re: Orton vs Triple H

I could see why it happened in the early stages , but not in 2007 ( iirc). The WM 25 match was to defend the McMahon family honor. I knew Triple H was going to win and the match felt deflated after five minutes.

 

[The Sage]

Why exactly is Ambrose getting some potential build up to face Taker at Mania instead of Reigns when Reigns is the leader of the group?

They don't have a leader.

 

[Wheels]

Why exactly is Ambrose getting some potential build up to face Taker at Mania instead of Reigns when Reigns is the leader of the group?

There is no clear leader of The Shield, because while Reigns does finish opponents with the powerbomb, Ambrose seems to get the most shine on the mic. Plus you have to factor in the all for one and one for all nature of the group.

I'm not getting involved in the Taker/Ambrose streak discussion.

 

[The Sage]

And that was all of PAC's matches in the indies. The few matches I've seen him in live were horrible. Just plain horrible.

If they're like the ones I saw, then I understand. People were going crazy for the match, and I didn't care for it. No one doing any real selling. A guy got hit with a combination of devastating moves. A few seconds later he's back on his feet hitting the other guy and not showing any effects of what happened to him. I was like, "Come on."

And yet these same fans will get on Cena for not selling. Really?

Cesaro was doing well for himself until the yodeling. He had the Rugby character and the word in five seconds things, which sucked. Once they pushed him with the US title and dropped Oksana, he was being pushed for his throwback style and his rugby toughness. Think about him using the Neutrilizer on Khali and Clay. Yeah, they may not be upper tier, but it made him look strong, which was a great way to get him started. Since he's foreign, the US title is a good way to get their heel characters over, but it can only go so far. Hell, I think he even beat Orton cleanly when he had momentum, but then once he was paired with Ryback, he looked like a complete chicken ****, gets fed to Orton, and after destroying Miz is routinely losing to him.

It's really criminal what the hell they were thinking by changing this and have him do the yodeling on top of it. The guy is one of their best workers, as he can work against any style and make his opponent look like a million bucks. I've said it before, but it begs repeating that when he wrestled against Sin Cara, Sin Cara looked great because Cesaro world traveled. Hell, even against someone like Khali, who can barely do anything in the ring, Cesaro made him look good and showed his strength.

I'm sure Vince had a hand in Cesaro doing his anti-American stick, and when it got stale, Vince got bored.

Most likely. He's probably mad Cesaro didn't make it work. When in reality, he should've found a gimmick that suited the man instead of throwing something on him.

Pac is pretty much a spot monkey, but he's really good at it. He needs to work on things like ring psychology and mic work, but he's a really exciting performer. He really needs a name change though, and maybe they should put a mask him to do what Sin Cara couldn't. Replace Mysterio.

That's a good idea, though Pac could with or without a mask.

I really wish WWE would consider a legitimate lightweight division (cruiserweight).

I really wish they would consider a legitimate midcard instead of cannon fodder for their choice stars.

I was thinking the same thing. I've never seen Neville mess up a spot, so maybe he would work better than Sin Cara.

Pac has been able to work something similar to the WWE style. The problem with what happened with Sin Cara is really WWE's and HHH's fault. Instead of putting him in NXT for a few months to get used to how the WWE works, they put him directly on the main roster.

If any WWE fans were aware of Mistico's work outside of WWE, they would see that the guy is truly amazing.

I agree.

 

[The Sage]

Orton ending the streak would of been a terrible mistake. The streak has been the best thing about Mania the last few years. Also with Orton's change of persona it wouldn't of done much good . Another thing is that Orton hasn't lived up to his potential.

His persona from Legend Killer to The Viper wouldn't have diminished being the man that ended the Streak. And I think Orton peaked a few years ago. He's tried living up to his potential in 2009 when he punted Vince in the head and got red hot heat, but the bad booking ruined it. You can't live up to your potential if you and your stable are getting whipped by middle-aged Shane McMahon.