The Wrestling Thread Has More Hype Than WrestleMania XXIX - - Part 92

[Metallo]

Originally Posted by LuisTX85
I hate to compare wrestling promotions But I'm curious right now..what are your(people on here in general)pros&cons between WWE&TNA right now and which one do you think has the overall best product??

Please don't answer IF your a WWE or TNA mark,I don't want biased opinions!!

Well...right now I think they are pretty close. Its almost a dead heat. WWE is doing much better with the Shield than TNA is with Aces and Eights. While I used to say WWE had the edge with tag teams as recently as a few months ago I'd give that edge to TNA now. Bad Influence and Roode and Aries are great teams.

Even as depleted as it is TNA still has the better womens division. TNA has the better lead heel in Bully Ray. At least as far as full timers. They are treating him as the top heel. Most of WWE's heels are weak and I'm not even sure who the top heel is right now. I guess Punk but as a top heel they are forcing him to play second banana to Rock and Cena and have put him in a poorly put together storyline instead of promoting him at a level they should be. Punk is delivering with his own work but he's not even in the main event spot that he's busted his ass to get to.

Right now, at this moment, there's more potential with the TNA main event scene and unlike WWE they aren't overly relying on part timers. Angle and Sting are in supporting roles. Only Hogan is hogging too much airtime without giving enough back. There is no payoff to this thing betweeen he and Sting. Not between the two of them in the ring anyway.

TNA's belts matter more. I mean...the US and IC titles can't even get on their biggest show. Their IC champ just got punket by HHH when it didn't even need to happen. It was just random. One place where WWE is winning is spectacle and the hook with their storylines even if they aren't all very good.

I'd give TNA a slight edge right now. Even though they don't have the awe factor of the WWE product its more consistent and everyone has more of a purpose than in WWE.

Originally Posted by AntMan
TNA has very little good fresh talent though. Most of the good wrestlers are guys who are people who've been around awhile. They aren't doing a good job with bringing in new faces who are good. Not impressed with a large chunk of the Gut Check winners.

The full time guys in their prime that they are pushing though...are more dependable than WWE's mostly part time main event. Hardy, Roode, Aries, Ray, Joe, etc. aren't up and comers...but they aren't aging part timers either. There's many potential matcher there year around instead of just Wrestlemania season.

And WWE is doing no better at developing fresh talent if you exclude The Shield. Even guys like Bryan and Cesaro are being misused or they've stalled. Dolph should be in a much better spot than he's in right now. Sandow and Rhodes have more potential than the spots they are in. I won't even go into the issues with Zack Ryder. None of those guys are brand new to the main roster but its sad how they aren't being used to their full potential.

Originally Posted by I'm Venom
I’d love a Cesaro/Jericho feud over the United States title. If they give Jericho the belt, they need to take advantage of that. Have him battle every heel that’s rising through the ranks. A feud with Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow could be something amazing and would be a great way to bring a conclusion to both Jericho’s reign and Rhodes Scholars. Have a Triple Threat Ladder Match at TLC, which will be the peak of Rhodes Scholars’ dissolution, and take the opportunity to make a star in Sandow. Sandow as United States Champion would have a fresh vibe.

Now THAT is what I'd love t see. I love your idea. A shame its too smart for WWE to book it.

Originally Posted by The Sage
On the company: "This is not my company; if it was it would be run very differently and I'm not saying that the way Vince [McMahon] does things is 100% right or 100% wrong all the time and I'm not saying that I know the answer to everything. Vince does what he thinks is best for business and he's right a lot of the time and there's just sometimes I think he's missing the boat on stuff, Cesaro being one of them. [Wade] Barrett's another good one. I think we start and stop guys too much. They did it with me forever; they did it with Sheamus forever. You're the flavor of the month. You're doing this, you're doing that, and then you just kind of get shuffled to the back. I don't think anybody can truly organically grow and become these superstars that they say they're looking for when you start and stop guys all the time. But it's just a difference of opinion on how the business is."

Punk really gets it. I mean REALLY gets it. He highlights the real issues in WWE right now and is honest about them.

Steve Austin: "It's never been really acknowledged within the WWE. This isn't me trying to promote something that isn't there, but there was just this hilarious tension in the room when me and Steve were in there. It's funny to actually be in a room live, everybody else is uncomfortable except me and Steve. There's this weird magnetism. It's this unspoken thing. The only way I can describe it, and Paul Heyman completely 100% agrees, it's the Old West and there's the two gunfighters, and they're buddies, but everybody always goes, 'I wonder what would happen... what if?' And that's all it is. It's fun."

I love this analogy. Its spot on. It feels like two gunslingers, two outlaws, on a total collision course to a showdown.

Originally Posted by Van Petrol
Good interview with Punk. I agree completely with him about Cesaro, and it's interesting to see that he rates Barrett highly, and so do I.

I don't rate Barrett very high in the ring but on the mic and as a character...he's got it. In WWE land that can be enough. I think even he could be given better things to do in the company than the stuff he's gotten.

Originally Posted by The Sage
According to a source within WWE, the plan as of this writing is to have the Tag Team Title Match, featuring Team Hell No vs Dolph Ziggler and Big E. Langston, open WrestleMania 29 on Sunday night.

The original plan was to have the mixed tag team match open the show, but as of today, the plan changed and currently the tag title match is set to open the show.

I like this as it gives Dolph enough time to cash in later on in the show and have it be a bit more exciting. Especially if they show turns out better than expected and attention is on other things. If his tag match were spaced to close to a world title match it wouldn't give as much time to think about scenarios or build anticipation.

Originally Posted by bullets

Lucky fan!

I watched the video from this event (I think) and it was great. I just wish the audio was better. If nobody else posts it I will later.

I'm glad Punk is standing up for Cesaro. I know the guy doesn't have a great gimmick , but I really enjoy his work. I'm sure he'll be a late addition to the card. Also I'm glad Barret and Miz got bumped to the pre-show. That's exactly where Miz should be.

Cesaro is a god**** freak. There's no full timer around in WWE now that has his combo of power and wrestling ability. For that alone he deserves a spot SOMEWHERE on the live WM card even if its in the opening match. How do they expect gusy to get over as big deals when they aren't presented like big deals. Cesaro should be showcased under the right spotlight.

Originally Posted by The Sage
Much like C.M. Punk wanting to be The Last Match at WrestleMania and not settling for being in a Main Event with The Undertaker, Ziggler stressed patience as he builds his legacy. Whether a big "legacy" moment happens at WrestleMania remains to be seen.

I hope we see a WM main event of CM Punk vs Dolph Ziggler one day. Even if its just the secondary match in a co-main event.

Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
Lesnar was only at 60% capacity in his first run? I love how Heyman skates around any potential Brock and Punk plans, he's the master. I also loved his stories about Sherri and about him and Punk with Trish and AJ.

One thing I do wonder is how do Brock and Punk get along.

Thats tricky since they are both pretty unique guys who do their own thing. I don't think either is afraid to speak their mind. Hopefully Heyman's brokered a decent professional relashionship between the two of them. I think Punks said he WANTS to work with Brock so thats a good sign.

As for Lesnar only being at 60%...that just does even more to show how much of a freaking BEAST he is. His 60 is better than most guys 100.

I've NEVER seen a guy in the wrestling business with Brocks combination of physical gifts. Ever. There might have been one but I've never seen them perform. He's a HUGE man with REAL power (no muscle just for show) but he moves with incredible speed and agility.

Originally Posted by Hunter Rider

I...I need a glass of water. So hot all of a sudden

Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
The ultimate dart board picture.

I certainly would like to nail Stephanie. The pic still shows some of the main problems and symptons with the company right now though...and the culprits behind them.

Originally Posted by Hunter Rider

Their symmetry is goooooone!

Originally Posted by Hunter Rider

Looks like she's painting the target for an incoming missle. Very inviting.

Originally Posted by bullets
The only good thing might be Vince could change his mind about letting wrestlers outside stuff. Jericho still gets to tour with Fozzy.

Seems like the only way that happens is if someone actually makes it big outside the business then comes back.

Originally Posted by E-Man
I really wish I could care about Wrestlemania. I love The Rock, Punk, Undertaker, Ziggler, and Bryan. I even think that there is a good match to be had between Swagger and Del Rio. But I can't bring myself to give a damn about this year's Wrestlemania because it's been booked so poorly. I can't really think of any moments that I just can't miss. If Undertaker loses I would be a little upset I miss it live, but I don't think he does. If Ziggler, Kane, Bryan, and Big E have a great match I won't feel upset that I miss it because they'll continue getting wasted on tv while the same **** happens week in and week out. I highly doubt that Cena turns heel, and if he does Raw is the place where I'll watch it instead of spending a lot of money on the show. I really hate that I can't get into the year's biggest shows with one of my all time favorites headlining, but that's just how it goes.

I think quite a few of us feel the exact same way you feel. Its amazing to me that I feel so little anticipation for this PPV. I don't think my interest in Wrestlemania has ever been this low.

Originally Posted by Kaleb
According to an article on pro wrestling.net, undertaker told a fan today at axxess that he probably doesn't have much left but has "one more for this guy" he then points at a picture of Lesner.

WM30 perhaps? I can't think of any other place where it could happen. Its a WM worthy match. If it does happen we know for sure who is going over.

I just hope they both come back and do something bigger and better than a one month build for it. I'd like it better than Rock vs Brock but it also rules out a few other potential matches for both at WM30 if WWE did do it.

Originally Posted by Pink Ranger
If I didn't know any better, I'd say one of the twins there looks like she may be in the early stages of giving us a little Fruity Pebbles or an AmDrag Jr. (or whatever, I don't remember who's dating who right now).

LOL...If it weren't for the new custom work under the hood...Cena and Bryan might not know either. Cena might not even care.

Originally Posted by Calavera

Spoiler

 

[Dr. Evil]

- TNA President Dixie Carter posted the following on Twitter, noting that she met Stephanie McMahon earlier this week:

"Met @StephMcMahon for the first time this past week. Wish her and her family much success this weekend."

 

[SpideyVille]

Jee-zus ....

Source: Pwinsider

Here is a very interesting statistic about John Cena in regards to his match at WrestleMania. With his WWE title match against The Rock almost a certainty to go on last, this will be the ninth consecutive WrestleMania that Cena has either closed the show, or fought for the WWE or World titles. The only time Cena has not done this was at WrestleMania XX, where he defeated Big Show for the US title to open. From WrestleMania 21 to this year, he's either main evented, or fought for either the World or WWE titles.

Until Sunday, he is tied with Hulk Hogan and Triple H with eight. Hogan main evented or fought for a World title at WrestleManias I, II, III, V, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. The only WrestleManias he didn't do this at were IV, XVIII and XIX. Triple H did it at XVI, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIV, and XXV. The only ones that he didn't were at XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVII, XXVII, and XXVIII. If WWE decided to run Triple H vs Brock Lesnar as the main event and not John Cena vs The Rock, then Triple H will end up breaking the record and not Cena.

Next is Shawn Michaels with six: XI, XII, XIV, XX, XXIII, and XXVI. After him, it's The Rock with five, including this Sunday. The others are XV, XVI, XVII, and XXVIII. If The Undertaker's match with CM Punk were to close, then he would tie with the Rock. As it stands, he has four with XIII, XXIII, XXIV and XXVI. Also at four are Edge (XXIV, XXV, XXVI, and XXVII) and Yokozuna (twice each at IX and X).

Those with only three are Randy Savage (IV, V, and VIII), Bret Hart (IX, X, and XII), Steve Austin (XIV, XV, and XVII), Chris Jericho (XVIII, XXVI, and XXVIII), Kurt Angle (XIX, XX, and XXII), Batista (XXI, XXIII, and XXVI), and Randy Orton (XXII, XXIV, and XXV). Orton or Jericho could get four if their matches close, but that's not going to happen. Those with two are Sid (VIII and XIII), the Big Show (XVI and XXV), and Alberto Del Rio (XXVII and Sunday at XXIX).

The wrestlers with only one WrestleMania main event or World title shot are Roddy Piper (at I), Paul Orndorf (at I), Mr. T (at I), King Kong Bundy (II), Andre the Giant (III), Ted DiBiase (IV), the Ultimate Warrior (VI), Sgt. Slaughter (VII), Ric Flair (VIII), Lex Luger (X), Diesel (XI), Bam Bam Bigelow (XI), Lawrence Taylor (XI), Mick Foley (XVI), Booker T (XIX), Brock Lesnar (XIX), Eddie Guerrero (XX), Chris Benoit (XX), JBL (XXI), Rey Mysterio (XXII), The Miz (XXVII), Sheamus (XXVIII), Daniel Bryan (XXVIII), CM Punk (XXVIII), and Jack Swagger (this Sunday at XXIX). Lesnar or Punk could be up to two if they close tomorrow.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Is it September yet? That way I can skip a WWE PPV in favor of a sport which is more popular than the WWE.

 

[Metallo]

Originally Posted by SpideyVille
Jee-zus ....

The thing I find more absurd is the fact that Triple H has headlined THAT many Wrestlemanias in title matches or main events without being "THE GUY."

How does one even do that? I know how...but its ridiculous. He's not even the top star...and he's tied with Cena. The thing with Cena is the span of time he's done it in...but its no that far off from the span of time Hogan did it in. Both of them were at least faces of the company though. But Cena's main evented unbroken and back to back.

Two world titles is another thing to take into account though. Cena may have gone after a title but since there are two it was a lot easier and he didn't always go on last.

WrestleMania 8 and 28 can be compared in that Hogan and Cena co-main evented those respective ppv's but they went on last and in matches where a world title wasn't up for grabs.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Unless the WWE signs Gina Carano, I don't think we will ever see a WWE Diva lead one of their films.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Is it September yet? That way I can skip a WWE PPV in favor of a sport which is more popular than the WWE.

Ah, so you're a fan of curling too?

 

[SpideyFan866]

The thing I find more absurd is the fact that Triple H has headlined THAT many Wrestlemanias in title matches or main events without being "THE GUY."

How does one even do that? I know how...but its ridiculous. He's not even the top star...and he's tied with Cena. The thing with Cena is the span of time he's done it in...but its no that far off from the span of time Hogan did it in. Both of them were at least faces of the company though. But Cena's main evented unbroken and back to back.

Two world titles is another thing to take into account though. Cena may have gone after a title but since there are two it was a lot easier and he didn't always go on last.

WrestleMania 8 and 28 can be compared in that Hogan and Cena co-main evented those respective ppv's but they went on last and in matches where a world title wasn't up for grabs.

Pardon my language, but, **** the boss's daughter.

EDIT: Impressionable daughter.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Jee-zus ....

We all know the true main event at heart.

 

[Wheels]

@Metallo You bring up good points regarding TNA's main event scene. I'm just not liking a lot of the people on the rest of TNA's card. I don't like Wes Brisco, Robbie E, Rob Terry, Garrrett Bischoff, and Joseph Park . I can take or leave Devon, Doc, Knucks, Anderson, Eric Young, Chavo, Super Mex, and RVD. Thats a lot of people I don't care about who are on TV, and TNA's roster is not as big as WWE's which means they have to be used more often.

I like TNA and I think they do a better job of showcasing their talent than WWE does though.

 

[OnTheAir]

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Has RVD left TNA?

 

[SpideyFan866]

Has RVD left TNA?

No. He just attended the Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

 

[Dr. Evil]

@Metallo You bring up good points regarding TNA's main event scene. I'm just not liking a lot of the people on the rest of TNA's card. I don't like Wes Brisco, Robbie E, Rob Terry, Garrrett Bischoff, and Joseph Park . I can take or leave Devon, Doc, Knucks, Anderson, Eric Young, Chavo, Super Mex, and RVD. Thats a lot of people I don't care about who are on TV, and TNA's roster is not as big as WWE's which means they have to be used more often.

I like TNA and I think they do a better job of showcasing their talent than WWE does though.

Plus Dixie Carter isn't full of anger and rage.

 

[Metallo]

@Metallo You bring up good points regarding TNA's main event scene. I'm just not liking a lot of the people on the rest of TNA's card. I don't like Wes Brisco, Robbie E, Rob Terry, Garrrett Bischoff, and Joseph Park . I can take or leave Devon, Doc, Knucks, Anderson, Eric Young, Chavo, Super Mex, and RVD. Thats a lot of people I don't care about who are on TV, and TNA's roster is not as big as WWE's which means they have to be used more often.

I like TNA and I think they do a better job of showcasing their talent than WWE does though.

Oh I agree with you. F*** those guys. While TNA has a smaller roster they also have far less tv time every week so it works out to be about the same as far as the rosters being featured on tv and how much.

I think both companies have some real worthless fat that could be trimmed. With TNA I think the good on the roster so outweighs the bad that I can ignore those guys and how much they suck. Aries makes it possible for me to sit through the work of a lame-o like Garrett Bischoff.

The same could be said about some WWE guys like most of 3MB and a few others though. McIntyre is a chore to sit through. I can think of a few more like him. You get weak links like this in every more mainstream promotion.

 

[OnTheAir]

Has RVD left TNA?

His contract expired about a month ago, around the same time Bobby Roode's did. Part of the reason he dropped the X-Division title to Kenny King.

 

[Dr. Evil]

RVD would have to pass a drug test before he returns to the WWE and that seems highly unlikely.

 

[Wheels]

RVD has no spark anymore. The last like 2 months o hisf WWE run and his TNA run were weak.

 

[OnTheAir]

RVD would have to pass a drug test before he returns to the WWE and that seems highly unlikely.

RVD has no spark anymore. The last like 2 months of WWE run and his TNA run were weak.

Agreed...I have no desire to watch RVD anymore...enough is enough.

 

[TX85]

I was excited for RVD coming into TNA and defended his run there his first few months But now..I agree no more in TNA nor WWE

 

[OnTheAir]

Congrats to Trish and her husband...funny reaction from the crowd


https://***********/JRsBBQ/status/320709412354396160

 

[Anno_Domini]

Man...I really wish I could be more excited with the card than just Punk vs 'Taker, lol. Not even 24 hours left and I only care about seeing one match at WM.

 

[Wheels]

I was excited for RVD coming into TNA and defended his run there his first few months But now..I agree no more in TNA nor WWE

Maybe he can go to ROH and feud with Matt Hardy over who's worse now.

 

[TX85]

Why did he get booed?,I mean did Trish show up and introduce her husband and crowed just booed him or what??

 

[SpideyFan866]

Man...I really wish I could be more excited with the card than just Punk vs 'Taker, lol. Not even 24 hours left and I only care about seeing one match at WM.

This.

I'm actually still going back and forth about watching it.