Homecoming The Zendaya is possibly someone, maybe thread - Part 3

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during the commercial series, there's one where parker walks into tony's party and says MJ! and the camera turns and it's Magic Johnson.

ah, thanks.

yeah, they are teasing us then. They know we want MJ. They know how important the name "MJ" is to Spidey fans. But they are going to give us all the other MJs except the real one, the one and only Mary Jane Watson. :cmad:
 
ah, thanks.

yeah, they are teasing us then. They know we want MJ. They know how important the name "MJ" is to Spidey fans. But they are going to give us all the other MJs except the real one, the one and only Mary Jane Watson. :cmad:
Almost like they're trolling us, huh.
 
Almost like they're trolling us, huh.

yes. they are.

they clearly know just how important and meaningful the name "MJ" is to the Spidey fans. That was the whole punchline of the commercial.

Peter shouts "MJ" and we expect to see a hot readhead only for it to be Magic Johnson.

so, they clearly know what they are doing by using those initials and playing around with it.

Magic Johnson is technically MJ, just like Michelle J something is technically MJ, but neither are the REAL MJ - Mary Jane freakin Watson.
 
yes. they are.

they clearly know just how important and meaningful the name "MJ" is to the Spidey fans. That was the whole punchline of the commercial.

Peter shouts "MJ" and we expect to see a hot readhead only for it to be Magic Johnson.

so, they clearly know what they are doing by using those initials and playing around with it.

Magic Johnson is technically MJ, just like Michelle J something is technically MJ, but neither are the REAL MJ - Mary Jane freakin Watson.

the only slimmer of hope i have is thinking that Marvel wouldn't tease us this much without giving us her... right?

or is it a toying way of basically MBJ's "you'll see it anyway" cockiness and definitely giving us MJ.. but their take.
 
Rumor has it there is a Michael Jackson song in the movie. And a Michael Jordan advertisement is clearly visible in a street scene. And Aunt May is studying for a Masters of Jurisprudence in Health Law.

You're Tearing Us Apart, Feige!!!!!!!!!!!
 
the only slimmer of hope i have is thinking that Marvel wouldn't tease us this much without giving us her... right?

or is it a toying way of basically MBJ's "you'll see it anyway" cockiness and definitely giving us MJ.. but their take.

at this point, who really knows?? :csad:
 
This panel sums up why I don't like the idea of MJ eventually "becoming" MJ:
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Amazing panel. Totally agree, it's such a damn waste.
 
It's funny, when the spoilers leaked months ago, people like James Gunn rushed to defend the casting, saying that what makes MJ who she is, isn't her red hair or the color of her skin, it's her alpha female persona. Ironic that I absolutely agree with the man and yet they ended up giving us the absolute opposite of that.
 
the only slimmer of hope i have is thinking that Marvel wouldn't tease us this much without giving us her... right?

or is it a toying way of basically MBJ's "you'll see it anyway" cockiness and definitely giving us MJ.. but their take.

MBJ should appear at the end of the movie, announcing he's dropped his middle initial and then uttering the famous line:

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:o
 
It's funny, when the spoilers leaked months ago, people like James Gunn rushed to defend the casting, saying that what makes MJ who she is, isn't her red hair or the color of her skin, it's her alpha female persona. Ironic that I absolutely agree with the man and yet they ended up giving us the absolute opposite of that.

What makes MJ who she is, isn't her red hair, skin colour, gender, alpha personality, name... it's her initials apparently. :o
 
MJ without red hair is like Spider-man's costume not being red and blue. At least to me anyway.
 
MJ without red hair is like Spider-man's costume not being red and blue. At least to me anyway.

But Spider-Man has had a black costume and a red and gold costume.

What this MJ is like is like Spider-Man being an alien from the planet Krypton who can fly, has heat vision, no spider powers, isn't a science genius, is named Clark Kent instead of Peter Parker but just has the same initials "SM".

But none of these attributes go to making Spider-Man who he is. :o
 
But Spider-Man has had a black costume and a red and gold costume.

What this MJ is like is like Spider-Man being an alien from the planet Krypton who can fly, has heat vision, no spider powers, isn't a science genius, is named Clark Kent instead of Peter Parker but just has the same initials "SM".

But none of these attributes go to making Spider-Man who he is. :o

I know he's had a plethora of costumes over the years but I meant his base costume. And I also agree with your analogy there
 
It's funny, when the spoilers leaked months ago, people like James Gunn rushed to defend the casting, saying that what makes MJ who she is, isn't her red hair or the color of her skin, it's her alpha female persona. Ironic that I absolutely agree with the man and yet they ended up giving us the absolute opposite of that.

yep.

MJ without red hair is like Spider-man's costume not being red and blue. At least to me anyway.

I agree. Or like Superman's costume colors not being red, blue, and yellow/gold.

MJ's red hair is her iconic, identifying physical trait.

if you saw images from a new Spidey comic or cartoon or film, and you saw a readhead at Peter's hs or college, your first reaction would be that she's MJ because that's how iconic and identifiable her red hair is.

and that's why, for me, it's not quite so easy to change her race ( as it would be for other characters ). Red hair just doesn't quite look natural on non-white skin colors, imo.

but putting that aside, if you are going to race change the character and take away her iconic red hair, then you better damn well get the rest of her character right - the playful alpha female personality which James Gunn correctly asserted.

In Homecoming, however, we are getting neither the iconic look for the character nor the correct personality for the character. Hell, we aren't even getting the actual character herself, but some new original character who looks and acts nothing like Mary Jane Watson but who has the same initials "MJ."

and that's not some "small change" as some "defenders" here try to dismiss it as. That's not making Aunt May younger/cooler or Flash less macho or even fusing Ned/Ganke.

No, it's going far beyond that, to the point where a new original character has hijacked the name or initials of one of the most popular and iconic Spidey characters, which in turn makes it far less likely that the real Mary Jane Watson will be used in the new franchise.

and that's a huge double slap/insult to us Mary Jane Watson fans who have been wanting them to FINALLY do a more comic accurate version of the character.
 
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I know he's had a plethora of costumes over the years but I meant his base costume. And I also agree with your analogy there

another analogy would be if they didn't mention Uncle Ben at all ( which seems to be the case here ) but instead introduce a new original character who's like the complete opposite of Uncle Ben. He's an irresponsible, womanizing drunkard, for example. But somehow during the course of the film, he becomes a father/uncle figure to Peter. And at the end of the film, he tells Peter that his name is Ben. So, he'd be a Uncle Ben, but not THE Uncle Ben.

Or a Batman film with no Alfred the butler. Instead, we get some new original character, say a good cop in the GCPD, who helps Batman out in his crime fighting crusade. All Batman ( and the audience ) knows about the cop is that he is Officer Penney. At the end of the film, Officer Penney tells Batman that his name is Alfred.

Oh, look, it's Alfred who helps out Batman. But no, it's not THE Alfred.

in both cases, you are creating original characters who are hijacking the names of classic, popular characters without retaining the look, personality, or backstory of those classic characters.
 
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I have another theory of who Zandaya might be playing, and it's one that no one is expecting.
If it's not that, i go with MJ, in the most pathetic move by Marvel yet.

The problem with her playing MJ is having Peter dating two black girls.
Liz Allen is black in the movie, so, if MJ is also afro-american, that makes Peter having a black fetish.

But, because it seems that Marvel has no problem with changing characters race, i'm guessing they will not have any problem with changing gender as well.

So, Zandaya might be.......Michelle 'Miles' Morales.

This way, they don't fall on having two Spider-MAN, but rather a Spider-WOMAN.

What do you think?

Even more, Feige already said Morales is part of the MCU and Donald Glover plays Aaron Davis, which might mean that "Miles" is in the movie too.
 
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Isildur´s Heir;35399513 said:
I have another theory of who Zandaya might be playing, and it's one that no one is expecting.
If it's not that, i go with MJ, in the most pathetic move by Marvel yet.

The problem with her playing MJ is having Peter dating two black girls.
Liz Allen is black in the movie, so, if MJ is also afro-american, that makes Peter having a black fetish.

But, because it seems that Marvel has no problem with changing characters race, i'm guessing they will not have any problem with changing gender as well.

So, Zandaya might be.......Michelle 'Miles' Morales.

This way, they don't fall on having two Spider-MAN, but rather a Spider-Girl.

What do you think?

No.

Miles gets an easter-egg reference in Homecoming, so that confirms he's already part of the MCU.

One of the characters plays his Uncle (Donald Glover, I think) who mentions he has a nephew.
 
Isildur´s Heir;35399513 said:
I have another theory of who Zandaya might be playing, and it's one that no one is expecting.
If it's not that, i go with MJ, in the most pathetic move by Marvel yet.

The problem with her playing MJ is having Peter dating two black girls.
Liz Allen is black in the movie, so, if MJ is also afro-american, that makes Peter having a black fetish.

But, because it seems that Marvel has no problem with changing characters race, i'm guessing they will not have any problem with changing gender as well.

So, Zandaya might be.......Michelle 'Miles' Morales.

This way, they don't fall on having two Spider-MAN, but rather a Spider-WOMAN.

What do you think?

Even more, Feige already said Morales is part of the MCU and Donald Glover plays Aaron Davis, which might mean that "Miles" is in the movie too.

Uh....yeah I don't think so....

Also Aaron Davis mentions he has a nephew not a niece.

Also it's Zendaya btw not Zandaya.
 
So wait. If someone is attracted to more than one person who is not the same skin colour as you, it's now considered a fetish? :huh: :doh:
 
ah, thanks.

yeah, they are teasing us then. They know we want MJ. They know how important the name "MJ" is to Spidey fans. But they are going to give us all the other MJs except the real one, the one and only Mary Jane Watson. :cmad:

The joke was that he mistook Magic Johnson for Michael Jordan from behind. Michael Jordan is more famous than Magic and considered the GOAT, so it was an awkward moment for Peter but Magic didn't really notice. It was funny, and it had nothing to do with Mary Jane...
 
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