Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 1

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, Marvel brings indie directors into the spotlight. Saying you haven't heard of their work is saying "it wasn't mainstream." It has no bearing on its quality. The only real valid complaint is if you say "I saw the movies he made and didn't like them."

All I'm responding to is the claim of having heard only good things about what he's done, and I am stating that I have no prior knowledge of anything he's done save that Vampire film.

I'm not saying he's a bad choice or untalented. I can't say squat other than I do hope having been on the set of a by the numbers, lackluster CBM that he saw where they went wrong. I actually think that might be a plus, give him a unique insight from a different perspective about a super hero film's production.

 

[The_Manhunter]

She's definitely Hela.

Oh man that would be great. Evil Galadriel, but with fire!

 

[The_Manhunter]

I would've hoped Feige's recent comments would foster a bit more optimism but the usual negativity prevails. I guess you guys missed the part where Feige said "It's going to be, perhaps, as totally different from the two prior Thor movies as Winter Soldier was from the first Captain America. We want to take it to new places, we've got new characters that will show how big we're swinging on this."

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[Mysteryman]

It's hard for me to be worried about the humor When I don't even know what tone the director is going for.
I am sure it will be all right.

 

[ernesth100]

Probably normal MCU humor.

 

[BatsDC]

His comments about Thor having to be the best and most interesting character are really reassuring

 

[Ghostcrow13]

His comments about Thor having to be the best and most interesting character are really reassuring

Definitely the best comments about this movie so far.

Hopefully this means we get some real awesome feats. Thor's been in 4 films now and still for me his most impressive show of power is the Jotunheim fight which is a bit ridiculous.

 

[eeffos]

Definitely the best comments about this movie so far.

Hopefully this means we get some real awesome feats. Thor's been in 4 films now and still for me his most impressive show of power is the Jotunheim fight which is a bit ridiculous.

Agreed, how can you not love this from the Hitfix interview -

- "My focus really is making sure that Thor is the best character, though.”
Waititi laughed when I mentioned that many felt that hasn’t quite been achieved yet, and said, “Yeah, well that is my goal! Because he's got to be. And it should be that way."

Really excited for this movie!

 

[ernesth100]

Need more feats like him. Goiing straight through the frost beast and causing shock waves with his hammer.

 

[InCali]

Definitely the best comments about this movie so far.

Hopefully this means we get some real awesome feats. Thor's been in 4 films now and still for me his most impressive show of power is the Jotunheim fight which is a bit ridiculous.

Even in the comics (and I don't mind a movie departure from them), Thor was always a nice guy who didn't go in for big displays of power. For what he was (meaning the God of Thunder), he was pretty humble, down to earth, and even gentle. If you pissed him off, well, that was a different story.

That being said, if you can seriously stagger and stun/daze the Hulk with a single blow, that's a pretty serious display of power...not to mention slamming his hammer into the ground and causing a local earthquake. He didn't follow up his advantage against the Hulk because he's Thor and he really doesn't go around hurting people without a good reason.

Hulk would have made mincemeat out of rock man too.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Even in the comics (and I don't mind a movie departure from them), Thor was always a nice guy who didn't go in for big displays of power. For what he was (meaning the God of Thunder), he was pretty humble, down to earth, and even gentle. If you pissed him off, well, that was a different story.

That being said, if you can seriously stagger and stun/daze the Hulk with a single blow, that's a pretty serious display of power...not to mention slamming his hammer into the ground and causing a local earthquake. He didn't follow up his advantage against the Hulk because he's Thor and he really doesn't go around hurting people without a good reason.

Hulk would have made mincemeat out of rock man too.

Yes uppercutting Hulk is probably the second best Thor MCU moment right now, however it is still just hitting things hard with his hammer.

We need more tornadoes (we've had 1), more imagination with lightning strikes, a hurricane etc.

We need more iconic shots, I've been waiting on a shot where the whole sky is grey, rain is pouring, thunder is cracking, lightning striking, tornadoes whirling, whilst Thor is going to town. Something where people go 'wow that is awesome'

 

[InCali]

Yes uppercutting Hulk is probably the second best Thor MCU moment right now, however it is still just hitting things hard with his hammer.

We need more tornadoes (we've had 1), more imagination with lightning strikes, a hurricane etc.

We need more iconic shots, I've been waiting on a shot where the whole sky is grey, rain is pouring, thunder is cracking, lightning striking, tornadoes whirling, whilst Thor is going to town. Something where people go 'wow that is awesome'

In the early comics at least, Thor was every bit as strong as the Hulk (and there were some indications at times that he was a bit stronger). If I had a hammer, I'd probably smack stuff with it rather than my fist, but it would be pretty cool to see Thor just obliterate something by punching it or just rip something apart with his bare hands..... a la Hulk. I guess the writers just try to emphasize different things with different characters. I like your idea of a massive storm that's basically incapacitating or impacting everyone else and Thor is just out shredding.

 

[fixxxer]

Probably normal MCU humor.

I don't think so. Waititi's humor, from what I've seen, is more of the off-beat/understated/awkward kind. The humor in the MCU, for the most part, has been quip/one-liner-based with the odd visual gag thrown in. I mean, I don't expect Rangnrok to be an episode of Flight Of The Conchords, but I think he'll bring a nice change-of-pace to the kind of humor we typically see in the MCU.

 

[fixxxer]

Yes uppercutting Hulk is probably the second best Thor MCU moment right now, however it is still just hitting things hard with his hammer.

We need more tornadoes (we've had 1), more imagination with lightning strikes, a hurricane etc.

We need more iconic shots, I've been waiting on a shot where the whole sky is grey, rain is pouring, thunder is cracking, lightning striking, tornadoes whirling, whilst Thor is going to town. Something where people go 'wow that is awesome'

Talk about a missed opportunity...

When I read about how the final fight was supposed to end with Thor summoning an uber-powerful combined lightning strike due to the convergence opening up portals to all the 9 realms, I was literally gob-smacked. That sounded completely awesome. Why on Earth didn't they go with that?

Instead, we got Thor on the subway, hide and seek with the interns, whatever the heck Jane and Selvig were doing, and a couple of other scenes that totally undercut the tension that THE FLIPPIN' UNIVERSE WAS ABOUT TO END!!! Just badly misplaced humor.

I think I said this before, but the Loki rag doll scene worked so wonderfully in Avengers because it was cathartic. Loki had just lost the battle, but was still too deluded and egotistical for that to even dawn on him. Hulk gave him the comeuppance we all wanted and needed. (Even the Hulk cheap-shot on Thor worked wonderfully, and didn't undercut the tension, but I won't go into detail... I've already gotten sidetracked enough.)

Where was I? Oh yea, if someone comes up with the idea like:
a) Ironically, Malakieth didn't plan for the fact that the convergence would play right into Thor's hands, making him that much stronger and...
b) A 9x LIGHTNING BOLT THAT FRIES EVEN A REALITY STONE JUICED MALAKIETH...

...please go ahead and use in the film. Dammit!

 

[Sleiek]

Agreed, how can you not love this from the Hitfix interview -

- "My focus really is making sure that Thor is the best character, though.”
Waititi laughed when I mentioned that many felt that hasn’t quite been achieved yet, and said, “Yeah, well that is my goal! Because he's got to be. And it should be that way."

Really excited for this movie!

YES, Waititi better succeed. He better do justice to my favorite Marvel Superhero. Need to bring more mythological element of Thor and the epicness that come with it.

 

[InCali]

YES, Waititi better succeed. He better do justice to my favorite Marvel Superhero. Need to bring more mythological element of Thor and the epicness that come with it.

Thor is cool on so many levels. Here's this ultra strong Asgardian who can summon lightning and whip up a tornado, but is also gentle, kind, and thoughtful (when he's not pissed). He also likes to have a good time (This drink. I like it. Another!) though there may be some cultural differences between earth and Asgard. t:

 

[Sleiek]

 

[ernesth100]

I hope the movie is great regardless. Hell it probably will be. I enjoyed the past 2. This one will likely be nodifferent.

 

[jaqua99]

This negativity is exactly why I avoid these forums these days. Just such a downer for someone who enjoys these films. People have made it a full time occupation to talk endlessly about how mediocre they feel the Thor films are particularly the last one. We get it. You didn't like them. Move on already.

And for the all the anti-humor folks I don't know what Thor comics they were reading growing up but Thor always made me laugh. Tongue-in-cheek Waititi tweets a comical, classic moment in Thor's greatest run and people lose their $#!t. A bunch of faux fans is what they are.

I've said it time and again Thor is not LOTR. Kirby and Lee created a wacky mashup of mythology, fantasy, sci-fi and superheroics. There's nothing LOTR whatsoever about the Wrecking Crew, the Absorbing Man, the Rigellians, the Recorder, Planet Ego or Zarrko the Tomorrow Man. Frodo Baggins never hopped in a space ship, Gandalf never traveled through time and Aragorn never joined the Avengers and fought in New York City. Just stop already. Geez...

The first Thor film was spot on, and in my opinion, was the closest MCU representation of the comic book character. THAT humor worked, because it was Thor humor. TDW's humor was a little bit more MCU humor, I felt like.

Either way, if they can have a movie with similar tone to Thor 1, with the technical aspects of the winter soldier, then I'm happy.

I only require a big display of power. And Surtur.

 

[fixxxer]

This negativity is exactly why I avoid these forums these days. Just such a downer for someone who enjoys these films. People have made it a full time occupation to talk endlessly about how mediocre they feel the Thor films are particularly the last one. We get it. You didn't like them. Move on already.

And for the all the anti-humor folks I don't know what Thor comics they were reading growing up but Thor always made me laugh. Tongue-in-cheek Waititi tweets a comical, classic moment in Thor's greatest run and people lose their $#!t. A bunch of faux fans is what they are.

I've said it time and again Thor is not LOTR. Kirby and Lee created a wacky mashup of mythology, fantasy, sci-fi and superheroics. There's nothing LOTR whatsoever about the Wrecking Crew, the Absorbing Man, the Rigellians, the Recorder, Planet Ego or Zarrko the Tomorrow Man. Frodo Baggins never hopped in a space ship, Gandalf never traveled through time and Aragorn never joined the Avengers and fought in New York City. Just stop already. Geez...

I dislike the "THOR 2 SUX!!!!! LOL" crowd as much as anyone, but I don't think this forum has to be in "let's all hold hands and say how wonderful the Thor movies are" mode all the time either. A discussion forum without differing viewpoints is somewhat pointless IMO.

While it's among my least favorite MCU movies, I still like Thor 2. The good aspects of that movie outnumber the bad... Bor vs. Dark Elves, Loki's arc, Thor's characterization, whatever little screen time Sif and the Warriors Three got, the attack on Asgard, etc. were all wonderful in my eyes. Doesn't mean there were lot of pretty bad, groan-worthy moments in the movie that should be swept under the rug.

And on LOTR... it isn't some grim historical documentary. It's plenty wacky! You have walking tree folk, Cosmic Cube/Infinity Gem-type McGuffins, a super-group (complete with apparent jobbers who later prove their worth) formed to execute a mission, sorcerers, powerful magic/science artifacts that our heroes receive, Frodo flying on giant eagles, and so on. LOTR also has plenty of humor. No, not necessarily the modern quippy humor that's prevalent in the MCU, but rather a nice, witty old-school brand of humor (especially the books). So yea, Thor and LOTR aren't as disparate as all that. The folks calling for LOTR-style epic film making in the Thor movies aren't far off base at all.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

While the LOTR films and books have humor, the overall impression I think most would give is that of an epic action drama in a highly detailed and immersive world with it's own history and which was executed on screen in the three LOTR films with scope and heart and a deep texture which rewards repeat viewings.

This is what people want when they bring of Tolkien as a reference for how they would like the Thor mythos to play out in live action. I adore the first Thor, and part of the reason is the well executed action, the fish out of water stuff. But there was no need at all to double down on that in TDW, especially since this meant giving short shrift to other elements which I think myself and others felt, was either pushed to the side or not given the proper development in the script so that instead, time efforts and a film's production resources went to Jane's sad sack "date" or Darcy and now HER intern, or Selvig's unfunny shennanigans. Maybe those would have been easier to tolerate but the film also whiffed on the villains and the action both which seemed, at best, to be perfunctory.

My advice is... The humor will come. That stuff is easier to pull off with this setup (Cosmic being once worshipped by humans as the God Of Thunder comes to modern Earth and wackiness ensues? That stuff can write itself in terms of gags) than trying to make the stakes and drama come off compelling and well done, and as such, the focus on the creators side should be to pull off that aspect as well as they can.

I also think that with TDW, Marvel Studios themselves underestimated how much we as the fans were already engaged by the dramatics they had set up from the first film, from the Thor/Odin/Loki free floating relationship miasma, to the Warriors Three and Sif (plus... Sorry, the obvious build up of Sif's feelings for the Odinson), to the simple reality that the Norse pantheon is a real thing and what that means for the future of Earth now? Yeah, all that? Gonna crap can that for a lackluster villain, a piss poor 2 minute "fight" with Kurse and more time spent on the comedic relief in the finale.

People that are complaining about TDW or are a little worried about word coming from those involved in Ragnarok... This isn't coming from out of a vacuum. There are reasons, not overblown, totally off the mark reasons, to be a bit deflated that they (Marvel Studios) didn't seem to understand what the issues were with TDW. Or at least, so far...

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Talk about a missed opportunity...

When I read about how the final fight was supposed to end with Thor summoning an uber-powerful combined lightning strike due to the convergence opening up portals to all the 9 realms, I was literally gob-smacked. That sounded completely awesome. Why on Earth didn't they go with that?

Instead, we got Thor on the subway, hide and seek with the interns, whatever the heck Jane and Selvig were doing, and a couple of other scenes that totally undercut the tension that THE FLIPPIN' UNIVERSE WAS ABOUT TO END!!! Just badly misplaced humor.

I think I said this before, but the Loki rag doll scene worked so wonderfully in Avengers because it was cathartic. Loki had just lost the battle, but was still too deluded and egotistical for that to even dawn on him. Hulk gave him the comeuppance we all wanted and needed. (Even the Hulk cheap-shot on Thor worked wonderfully, and didn't undercut the tension, but I won't go into detail... I've already gotten sidetracked enough.)

Where was I? Oh yea, if someone comes up with the idea like:
a) Ironically, Malakieth didn't plan for the fact that the convergence would play right into Thor's hands, making him that much stronger and...
b) A 9x LIGHTNING BOLT THAT FRIES EVEN A REALITY STONE JUICED MALAKIETH...

...please go ahead and use in the film. Dammit!

Exactly, sometimes it's like they have no creativity when it comes to powers and action.

They were on a barren planet last time, it was the perfect opportunity for a huge storm.

Just do this with added lightning and thunder.

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He is the God of Thunder, make him act like one.

 

[ernesth100]

Maybe they're saving the REAALY big displays of power for IW

 

[BoredGuy]

While the LOTR films and books have humor, the overall impression I think most would give is that of an epic action drama in a highly detailed and immersive world with it's own history and which was executed on screen in the three LOTR films with scope and heart and a deep texture which rewards repeat viewings.

This is what people want when they bring of Tolkien as a reference for how they would like the Thor mythos to play out in live action. I adore the first Thor, and part of the reason is the well executed action, the fish out of water stuff. But there was no need at all to double down on that in TDW, especially since this meant giving short shrift to other elements which I think myself and others felt, was either pushed to the side or not given the proper development in the script so that instead, time efforts and a film's production resources went to Jane's sad sack "date" or Darcy and now HER intern, or Selvig's unfunny shennanigans. Maybe those would have been easier to tolerate but the film also whiffed on the villains and the action both which seemed, at best, to be perfunctory.

My advice is... The humor will come. That stuff is easier to pull off with this setup (Cosmic being once worshipped by humans as the God Of Thunder comes to modern Earth and wackiness ensues? That stuff can write itself in terms of gags) than trying to make the stakes and drama come off compelling and well done, and as such, the focus on the creators side should be to pull off that aspect as well as they can.

I also think that with TDW, Marvel Studios themselves underestimated how much we as the fans were already engaged by the dramatics they had set up from the first film, from the Thor/Odin/Loki free floating relationship miasma, to the Warriors Three and Sif (plus... Sorry, the obvious build up of Sif's feelings for the Odinson), to the simple reality that the Norse pantheon is a real thing and what that means for the future of Earth now? Yeah, all that? Gonna crap can that for a lackluster villain, a piss poor 2 minute "fight" with Kurse and more time spent on the comedic relief in the finale.

People that are complaining about TDW or are a little worried about word coming from those involved in Ragnarok... This isn't coming from out of a vacuum. There are reasons, not overblown, totally off the mark reasons, to be a bit deflated that they (Marvel Studios) didn't seem to understand what the issues were with TDW. Or at least, so far...

The humor was just the hook in Thor 1
The drama is what people wanted to come back for
When people talked about their favorite scenes from the first film, they would briefly mention how funny the movie was before focusing on Loki and Odin in the throne room, or Loki and Thor at the SHIELD base, or Thor laying down his life against the Destroyer. It was those emotional and dramatic moments that made the biggest impact

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I'm just hoping for humor that is actually natural, that for me is why I Ant-man works but TDW doesn't. Both have jokes, Ant-mans just fit in the story rather than seeming forced.

A lot of the humor in this one can come from Thor and Hulk interacting and building on their Avengers chemistry.