Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[Iceman]

Reminds me how much I loved that scene. Odin definitely frustrated seeing the same traits in Thor. I liked Laufey a lot.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I agree, HD. I really like how Ragnarok has retroactively made certain scenes between Odin and Thor and Odin and Loki in both Thor and TDW more interesting. His relationship with both his sons takes on a whole new light when you know about his past with Hela.

Ragnarok also verified my opinion that Odin was a really ****** father.

This is pretty cool.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfu-aAgl9aA/?hl=pt&taken-by=chrishemsworth

So awesome for those kids, their dad is Thor. t:

 

[Mjölnir]

One of things i thought about when rewatching Ragnarok that made a lot of sense in the bigger scheme of things.

The reason why Odin became so bitter towards Thor and ended up banishing him to Earth on the first movie was because Odin saw in Thor a mirror image of himself, of Hela... Bloodthirsty, brash and with the thirst for battle, for conquest... That’s also why Odin became so angry towards Thor and banished Thor like he had done previously with his first born Hela in this case banishing/imprisoning her somewhere else because of the apetite for conquest and death.

Odin didn't want another child as a "Executioner". Thor basically inherited the same traits as Hela and he was beginning to show that... Hela supposedly was more ruthless while Thor had a chance to redeem himself and took it.

This scene from the first Thor can easily be used to create a lot of parallels with Odin - Thor - Hela. When Thor says "Father we finish the together". I could se Hela saying that to Odin at some point in time just that the response would have been very different.

[YT]_IfYZZDTays[/YT]

Well said, and I fully agree. Ragnarok builds very well on the other films despite changing the direction at the same time. One of my favorite scenes in the MCU by the way.

 

[DyeLorean]

For a film that is supposed to be "80% improv" like they said, it sure is tighter than most films.

 

[Mjölnir]

For a film that is supposed to be "80% improv" like they said, it sure is tighter than most films.

I agree, they did an amazing job in editing this film into a very well-paced story.

 

[HammerDown]

For a film that is supposed to be "80% improv" like they said, it sure is tighter than most films.

The dialog was improvised a lot but otherwise they follow the beats of the script. It works really well because they weren't deviating too much from the core of the story, they where just flourishing different ways to breath more life into the scenes, to make them more natural, human and funny.

As Taika said they would film 2/3 different versions of the same scene. How it was in the script, a normal improvised version and then the most out there version. Then they would choose which worked better for a particular scene. What ended up happening, i think, was that the improvisation became almost a rule because of how well some of the cast could do it like Hemsworth, Goldblum, Ruffalo... All supervised with the midas touch from Taika. Like he said he would "pan the scene" to find those golden nuggets.

 

[Grootster]

Am I the only one that feels like it was kind of obvious that 80% of the movie was improvised?

I do give them props for editing all of it into something coherent story-wise, but I feel like the humor is very obviously ad-libbed (and I'm not really a fan of ad-libbing).

Also, Did anyone else feel like there were a lot of incomplete jokes in the movie? I was thinking about this the other day.

For instance, take the Willy Wonka reference. It was cute, but what was the point? It sort of felt like a joke without a punchline, or a punchline without a joke. They should have followed it up with the Grandmaster saying "That presentation was inspired by an old Earth documentary." Then you cut to a Willy Wonka VHS sitting on a shelf with a bunch of instructional videos. As it is the joke didn't feel fully realized.

 

[HammerDown]

Am I the only one that feels like it was kind of obvious that 80% of the movie was improvised?

I do give them props for editing all of it into something coherent story-wise, but I feel like the humor is very obviously ad-libbed (and I'm not really a fan of ad-libbing).

Also, Did anyone else feel like there were a lot of incomplete jokes in the movie? I was thinking about this the other day.

For instance, take the Willy Wonka reference. It was cute, but what was the point? It sort of felt like a joke without a punchline, or a punchline without a joke. They should have followed it up with the Grandmaster saying "That presentation was inspired by an old Earth documentary." Then you cut to a Willy Wonka VHS sitting on a shelf with a bunch of instructional videos. As it is the joke didn't feel fully realized.

Well it was obvious because Taika said it early on. And one can notice that the dialog, interactions, reactions... are all more natural and sharp because of that particular improvisational nature. And i really love that. I love that sharpness that vey human quality you get from being able to improvise successfully. That back and fourth between characters and the way so much can be happening on a scene while someone is just talking.

Like i mentioned earlier. They improvised around the script they had so if you don't veer too much from that through line you should be fine. But of course you gotta have an idea and understanding of the overall type of movie you're doing. And we can see from some of the deleted scenes that sometimes you can go overboard with certain things so it's a matter of keeping it on track for the most part.

Incomplete jokes? I didn't notice that but if you can give other examples...

The Pure Imagination song was the joke. The absurdity of such a song be playing on an alien planet and in those circumstances. That was my take on it and also the lyrics kind of lend well to what's happening right at that moment. As with many other funny moments during the movie is more about the absurdity of the situation.

 

[Pennywise]

One of things i thought about when rewatching Ragnarok that made a lot of sense in the bigger scheme of things.

The reason why Odin became so bitter towards Thor and ended up banishing him to Earth on the first movie was because Odin saw in Thor a mirror image of himself, of Hela... Bloodthirsty, brash and with the thirst for battle, for conquest... That’s also why Odin became so angry towards Thor and banished Thor like he had done previously with his first born Hela in this case banishing/imprisoning her somewhere else because of the apetite for conquest and death.

Odin didn't want another child as a "Executioner". Thor basically inherited the same traits as Hela and he was beginning to show that... Hela supposedly was more ruthless while Thor had a chance to redeem himself and took it.

This scene from the first Thor can easily be used to create a lot of parallels with Odin - Thor - Hela. When Thor says "Father we finish the together". I could se Hela saying that to Odin at some point in time just that the response would have been very different.

[YT]_IfYZZDTays[/YT]

Wow! I never thought of the parallel, but that does make quite a lot of sense!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Surtur's design in this film was awesome, definitely the best design they could have used with in my opinion.

I agree. So glad he wasn't just a Balrog knockoff.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Thor: Ragnarok VFX Supervisor Jake Morrison


https://www.cinemablend.com/news/23...nts-to-use-beta-ray-bill-and-were-so-on-board

I am totally down for Beta Ray Bill - especially now that Mjolnir is gone - bring in Stormbreaker. Thor could even help forge it for him with the help of the Odinforce. Although it's sad to me we can't see the moment that BRB lifts Mjolnir. At the same time we have already have seen Vision and Hela do so with Rogers budging it so that schtick could start to seem cheap and overused.

BRB could also help resolve the dangling plotline with Sif. I don't feel he's a clone of Thor - his backstory is interesting as well as his sacrifice for his people.

How is Surtur done? Now that he's destroyed Asgard what's to stop his rampage?

BTW that cover by Simonson of Thor vs. BRB is actually itself a homage to a classic cover by Kirby of Thor vs. Hercules.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

One of things i thought about when rewatching Ragnarok that made a lot of sense in the bigger scheme of things.

The reason why Odin became so bitter towards Thor and ended up banishing him to Earth on the first movie was because Odin saw in Thor a mirror image of himself, of Hela... Bloodthirsty, brash and with the thirst for battle, for conquest... That’s also why Odin became so angry towards Thor and banished Thor like he had done previously with his first born Hela in this case banishing/imprisoning her somewhere else because of the apetite for conquest and death.

Odin didn't want another child as a "Executioner". Thor basically inherited the same traits as Hela and he was beginning to show that... Hela supposedly was more ruthless while Thor had a chance to redeem himself and took it.

This scene from the first Thor can easily be used to create a lot of parallels with Odin - Thor - Hela. When Thor says "Father we finish the together". I could se Hela saying that to Odin at some point in time just that the response would have been very different.

[YT]_IfYZZDTays[/YT]

I'm still in awe of how the writers of Thor: Ragnarok added so much depth to the entire Thor series with this Hela plot line. The improv style of filmmaking on top of such an intriguing story idea really makes for a unique and innovative film in the MCU canon.

All of this veiling a brilliant denouncement of imperialism to boot.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One of things i thought about when rewatching Ragnarok that made a lot of sense in the bigger scheme of things.

The reason why Odin became so bitter towards Thor and ended up banishing him to Earth on the first movie was because Odin saw in Thor a mirror image of himself, of Hela... Bloodthirsty, brash and with the thirst for battle, for conquest... That’s also why Odin became so angry towards Thor and banished Thor like he had done previously with his first born Hela in this case banishing/imprisoning her somewhere else because of the apetite for conquest and death.

Odin didn't want another child as a "Executioner". Thor basically inherited the same traits as Hela and he was beginning to show that... Hela supposedly was more ruthless while Thor had a chance to redeem himself and took it.

This scene from the first Thor can easily be used to create a lot of parallels with Odin - Thor - Hela. When Thor says "Father we finish the together". I could se Hela saying that to Odin at some point in time just that the response would have been very different.

[YT]_IfYZZDTays[/YT]

Thought the same when I re-watched the first Thor movie recently, I loved that scene anyway, but now there’s a whole new layer to it.

Would have loved to see The Destroyer in Ragnorak though, shame we didn’t.

Also, put me down for some Beta Ray Bill goodness in Thor 4!

 

[Finarfiniel]

Would have loved to see The Destroyer in Ragnorak though, shame we didn’t.

The writer of Ragnarok revealed recently that The Destroyer was originally in the film trying to stop Hela in a scene, but she easily defeated it:

"There was [also] a scene where she thought they were hiding the sword in the armory, this big fortress. She goes up, and the destroyer armor comes out to take her out, and she just rips that thing apart too, just to call back the destroyer armor."

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'm actually glad they cut that scene as I would prefer that the Destroyer armor not be so summarily dismissed. In the comics it was much more formidable than how we've seen it portrayed in the movies thus far. It's even killed Thor.

In the comics it needed to bond with another soul to be unleashed. I always liked the idea of it returning in the film but bonded with the soul of another human (ideally Jane) making it far more powerful than the version that Thor defeated in the first film. Thor struggling to defeat it while trying to save the life of someone he loves would make for a real conflict and very interesting drama IMO.

 

[LTuser]

I agree. I am glad they did NOT put that in, cause even thor was only able to 'disable it' in the first thor. Having Hela, just [rip it up] would be imo far fetched..

 

[Grootster]

Well it was obvious because Taika said it early on. And one can notice that the dialog, interactions, reactions... are all more natural and sharp because of that particular improvisational nature. And i really love that. I love that sharpness that vey human quality you get from being able to improvise successfully. That back and fourth between characters and the way so much can be happening on a scene while someone is just talking.

Like i mentioned earlier. They improvised around the script they had so if you don't veer too much from that through line you should be fine. But of course you gotta have an idea and understanding of the overall type of movie you're doing. And we can see from some of the deleted scenes that sometimes you can go overboard with certain things so it's a matter of keeping it on track for the most part.

Incomplete jokes? I didn't notice that but if you can give other examples...

The Pure Imagination song was the joke. The absurdity of such a song be playing on an alien planet and in those circumstances. That was my take on it and also the lyrics kind of lend well to what's happening right at that moment. As with many other funny moments during the movie is more about the absurdity of the situation.

It's probably just my preference for humor. I definitely get the humor in the Willy Wonka scene, I just feel like it could have used a follow up to add an extra punch. Ragnarok definitely uses a lot of absurdity, randomness, and spontaneous humor whereas Guardians of the Galaxy uses more scripted jokes that are relevant to the situation and logic of the universe. I guess I just gravitate towards Guardians' sense of humor. It is interesting to see how both movies are similar, but also distinct in small ways.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I agree. I am glad they did NOT put that in, cause even thor was only able to 'disable it' in the first thor. Having Hela, just [rip it up] would be imo far fetched..

Nah, not really considering she had already slaughtered an entire legion of Asgard's elite soldiers single-handedly without even breaking a sweat, easily destroyed Mjolnir and brought Asgard to it's knees using little to no effort by that point. Not to mention that she could conjure up gigantic structures out of the earth itself that were large enough to even give the absolutely ginormous Surtur very slight pause. How would her ripping up the Destroyer armor be 'far fetched' after all that exactly? Hela being way more powerful than Thor and being virtually unbeatable was the whole point of the final act of the film and the reason he had to bring about Ragnarok, because there was literally no other way of stopping her. Besides, the Destroyer was never shown to be as powerful in the MCU as it is in the comics anyway.

It's probably just my preference for humor. I definitely get the humor in the Willy Wonka scene, I just feel like it could have used a follow up to add an extra punch. Ragnarok definitely uses a lot of absurdity, randomness, and spontaneous humor whereas Guardians of the Galaxy uses more scripted jokes that are relevant to the situation and logic of the universe. I guess I just gravitate towards Guardians' sense of humor. It is interesting to see how both movies are similar, but also distinct in small ways.

That's fair enough. I absolutely love both GotG films, but the more naturalistic, absurdist humour in Ragnarok is way more up my alley. Then again, I'm a Brit and I tend to think that our sense of humour aligns much closer with the Aussies and Kiwis (the humor in Ragnarok is pure Aussie/Kiwi thanks to Waititi) than it does with American humour.

 

[LTuser]

Nah, not really considering she had already slaughtered an entire legion of Asgard's elite soldiers single-handedly without even breaking a sweat, easily destroyed Mjolnir and brought Asgard to it's knees using little to no effort by that point. Not to mention that she could conjure up gigantic structures out of the earth itself that were large enough to even give the absolutely ginormous Surtur very slight pause. How would her ripping up the Destroyer armor be 'far fetched' after all that exactly? Hela being way more powerful than Thor and being virtually unbeatable was the whole point of the final act of the film and the reason he had to bring about Ragnarok, because there was literally no other way of stopping her. Besides, the Destroyer was never shown to be as powerful in the MCU as it is in the comics anyway..

That's exactly it.. THEY Did make her seem so uber powerful, even more so than both Thor AND odin combined.

 

[BigThor]

That's exactly it.. THEY Did make her seem so uber powerful, even more so than both Thor AND odin combined.

Hela was not more powerful than Odin, she was somewhere inbetween Odin and Thor.

Odin defeated Surtur, Hela could not.

 

[HammerDown]

In terms of power level and from what we know...

1. Odin
2. Surtur
3. Hela
4. Thor

 

[Iceman]

Loki last

 

[First Avenger]

One of things i thought about when rewatching Ragnarok that made a lot of sense in the bigger scheme of things.

The reason why Odin became so bitter towards Thor and ended up banishing him to Earth on the first movie was because Odin saw in Thor a mirror image of himself, of Hela... Bloodthirsty, brash and with the thirst for battle, for conquest... That’s also why Odin became so angry towards Thor and banished Thor like he had done previously with his first born Hela in this case banishing/imprisoning her somewhere else because of the apetite for conquest and death.

Odin didn't want another child as a "Executioner". Thor basically inherited the same traits as Hela and he was beginning to show that... Hela supposedly was more ruthless while Thor had a chance to redeem himself and took it.

This scene from the first Thor can easily be used to create a lot of parallels with Odin - Thor - Hela. When Thor says "Father we finish the together". I could se Hela saying that to Odin at some point in time just that the response would have been very different.

[YT]_IfYZZDTays[/YT]

Aside from being a pretty great movie on its own, Ragnarok also elevates the other movies with new insights and great callbacks.

Case in point,some people were disappointed Loki didn't do anything evil while on the throne, except...we know he just wanted it to be equal to Thor. From Thor, from Avengers, from The Dark World. Like Stark said:

'...And Loki, he's a full-tilt diva, right? He wants flowers, he wants parades. He wants a monument built to the skies with his name plastered...'

It was totally in character. He never even really wanted Odin or Thor dead.

 

[DyeLorean]

Yeah. "Your savioourrr is heeeerreee"

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I look forward to rewatching them again, after rewatching Ragnarok another 40 times!