Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[Iceman]

Speaking of Loki and the Warriors Three, I'm surprised he didn't banish them while he was disguised as Odin like he did with Heimdall and Sif. Especially since they saw through his bull**** in the first movie.

Yeah. Although maybe he was totally confident in his illusion of Odin and it would strengthen the feeling that everything is normal with them there.

 

[LTuser]

I agree. He was acting like odin, and odin wouldn't have banished the warriors 3, without a REALLLL GOOD reason.

 

[HammerDown]

Beautiful shots and amazing work by the special effects people.
Love the different angles of the shots and the quality of the image is damn near perfect.

https://www.framestore.com/thorragnarok

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[BigThor]

Hogun went out with style. Don’t know why they couldn’t have given an ending like that to the others too. If Loki could be taken out by the Three it makes the threat of the first Avengers film seem pretty tame given that the Chitauri could be taken out by your local rugby team and mall cops. t:

The threat in the first Avengers was tame, that was a lot of people's gripe with it.

Loki who was the main villain, spent a lifetime getting his ass kicked by one single member of the team.

 

[HammerDown]

Collider

‘Thor: Ragnarok': 32 Things We Learned from Taika Waititi’s Commentary

Waititi wanted to open the film with an air of mystery — you don’t know where you are or where the hero is.

The motion capture for Surtur was performed by Waititi. “The greatest actor in the world, not New Zealand, the world,” says Waititi.

The horns on Surtur’s crowns were built from an ancient boomerang gifted to the crew while filming in Australia.

The Shakeweight Skurge plays with is Waititi’s, purchased via infomercial from a hotel in New Orleans when he was filming The Green Lantern. It’s a “DC/Marvel crossover,” Waititi jokes.

Odin’s cliffside farewell was reshot in additional photography, moving the location from New York to Norway. Waititi says they needed more exposition, primarily about Hela.

When it comes to design, Waititi singles out Andy Park and his team at Marvel. Their drawings and conceptual were a major inspiration for the costume and set design

Hela’s weaponry is based on Gorr’s weapons in the God of Thunder comics run. Gorr was known as the God Butcher.

The design of Sakaar is primarily influenced by the “strong lines and bold colors” of Jack Kirby and there are lots of Kirby easter eggs hidden and not-so-hidden throughout the film that manifests in shapes, background designs, etc. There’s a laser gun in the film that is actually the design of a Kirby space station reimagined as a weapon.

When they arrive in Sakaar, the music changes. It gets more electronic and synthesizer-heavy. Eventually, the more orchestral elements of the Asgardian score and the synth elements of the Sakaar score become interwoven.

Composer Mark Mothersbaugh wanted to create Jean-Michel Jarre soundscapes. Nothing too modern, using old analog synths, including one he got years ago from Robert Moog himself.

Waititi recruited sketch comedy actor Steven Oliver to play Cousin Carlo because he’s a fan of the actor’s work on Australia’s Black Comedy television series.

Ben Cooke, Ragnarok’s stunt coordinator and second unit director, choreographed Hela’s slaughter of the Asgard army.

Cate Blanchett’s stunts were performed by famed New Zealand stuntwoman and Tarantino regular Zoe Bell.

Speaking about the death of the Warriors Three, Waititi said, “This is what Ragnarok is, it’s the destruction of everything you’ve come to know and love.”

The obedience discs seen on Sakaar come from the Planet Hulk comics. Waititi explained that the obedience disk more or less plays the same role as Thor losing his hammer in the first film — it takes away his powers and makes it more believable he could be beaten in a fight. “It’s just more fun to see a character like this on an even playing field,” says Waititi.

The aliens and characters seen in the background Grandmaster’s lounge are largely Kirby’s designs, some pulled directly from the comics.

The motion capture for Korg’s scissor-handed buddy Miek was performed by a stuntman who’s an expert in Wushu and other acrobatic fighting styles

Waititi based his performance as Korg on the Polynesian bouncers he’d meet in New Zealand nightclubs — big gentle giants who didn’t want to hurt anyone and could do serious damage if they weren’t so polite and sweet.

Hela criticizes Odin for his secrets and his shame, and they wanted to visualize how he just keeps covering things up in Asgard, including the mural Hela brings crashing down and the tomb of dead soldiers buried beneath the weapons vault. The real Asgard lies beneath the pretty, carefully constructed lies.

The scene where Valkyrie opens a bottle with her knife is an homage to the Beth Heke character in Once Were Warriors, who opens her beer with a fish hook.

Waititi says he designed the Valkyrie tattoo. He immediately followed that by saying he intended to get a tattoo of it on his face after the commentary, so believe what you’re comfortable with.

Believe it or not, that beer-serving robot seen in the Sakaar bar is actually brought to life with motion capture. The actor behind the so-called Beer-Bot 5000 is Hamish Parkinson, who also appeared in Waititi’s Hunt for the Wilderpeople.

Valkyrie’s ship is named the Warsong, a name taken from a poem about the Valkyrie.

The mural in the background of the Grandmaster’s arena suite is an enlarged piece of actual Kirby art.

The line “He’s a friend from work” came from a kid who visited the set with Make-a-Wish foundation and suggested the line to Hemsworth.

Two of the nurses tending to Thor after the arena fight are Hemsworth and Waititi’s wives, Elsa Pataky and Chelsea Winstanley.

The scene in Thor and Hulk’s penthouse was shot on Tessa Thompson’s first day. It was a big, dialogue-heavy, emotional scene. “She just walked in, put her stamp on everything, and she said “here I am” and blew everyone away. She’s such a good actor and she completely owned that character… and she owns the scene.”

Waititi looked to Withnail and I for inspiration in the Bruce and Thor dynamic.

The style of lighting in the Valkyrie flashback was designed and invented by two friends of Waititi’s — Stu Rutherford (aka, Stu from What We Do in the Shadows) and Carlo van de Roer. They invented an entirely new lighting rig. Waititi explained that it’s “almost bullet time lighting where you set up an array of lights, like over a hundred lights, all strobes. They’re all going to flash once or twice, they all set off one after each other and in quick succession.
The whole thing happens in less than a second and you film those little bits of footage with a very high-speed camera. so instead of the camera wrapping around, like in The Matrix, it’s the lights that are wrapping around so it casts these huge huge shadows everywhere across the walls and it’s an effect that can only be achieved by setting up the lights that way.”

The Commodore spaceship is inspired by the aboriginal flag, with the colors red, yellow and black. He was struck by the culture in Australia and decided to make the hero’s spaceship the color of the original people of Australia’s flag. “They’re escaping from Sakaar in the Aboriginal flag.” The coloring of Valkyrie’s ship is the colors of the Maori flag — the native people of New Zealand. “Nothing political, just cool,” Waititi says.

All the names of the spaceships in the final battle — the Commodore, Statesmen, Escort, Kingswood — are all names of Holden cars, a popular brand of cars in Australian New Zealand.

In addition to doing mo-cap for Korg and Surtur (and some for Hulk during pickups), Waititi can also be seen as the farthest head on the right on the three-headed alien seen in the background of multiple scenes.

http://collider.com/thor-ragnarok-trivia/#taika-waititi

 

[Webfoot Hero]

My BR/DVD copy arrived today so I'll likely be watching it tomorrow (too busy to watch it today.)

 

[BigThor]

The obedience discs seen on Sakaar come from the Planet Hulk comics. Waititi explained that the obedience disk more or less plays the same role as Thor losing his hammer in the first film — it takes away his powers and makes it more believable he could be beaten in a fight. “It’s just more fun to see a character like this on an even playing field,” says Waititi.

So this either confirms Thor was weakened during the entire arena fight against Hulk or the fact that the disk was activated because Thor was indeed going to win.

Hmmmm....

 

[First Avenger]

So this either confirms Thor was weakened during the entire arena fight against Hulk or the fact that the disk was activated because Thor was indeed going to win.

Hmmmm....

I think it's the latter. Thor was full-on God mode there, Grand master had no choice but use the device in order to get Hulk win.

 

[Web-Head]

Picked it up on 4K today. In the middle of my MCU rewatch leading up to Infinity War though so I won't watch it for about a month.

(Saw it twice in theaters)

 

[HammerDown]

One interesting thing. Thor Ragnarok Official Trailer has now become the 4th most watched Marvel trailer ever.

1. Avengers: Infinity War - 148 million views
2. Avengers: Age of Ultron - 82M
3. Captain America: Civil War - 77M
4. Thor Ragnarok - 62M

So basically only trailing behind the big team up movies.

 

[samsnee]

Hulk was amazing in this. I don’t expect him to have half the speaking role in IW but I hope he has some personality like the one in Ragnarok.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[BigThor]

You can see Odin's father Bor Burison in the bottom painting.

 

[HammerDown]

I'm guessing King Bor was the one that really started everything. We know that he waged war against others like Malekith and the dark elves in order to protect Asgard from the power of the Aether... So it's likely he was already on a path of war himself.

King Bor had a son in Odin and he most likely kept with his father tradition of war. King Odin then had Hela and his methods passed down to her as well. Things went very dark with all the conquering and death, Odin decided that he wanted to settle down with his family and even have another child but Hela simply wouldn't and couldn't stop so Odin ended up imprisoning her for his everyone's sake.

Then after some time King Odin finally had another child, this time a son... Thor. Some conflicts were still going on around the 9 realms like the one with Laufey and the frost giants who ended up on Earth trying to conquer it. Odin now on a more peaceful path came to help humanity against this threat and won that war. The legend of viking gods was born.

Odin lost an eye to the war. He also found a new born child... a frost giant he adopted who then became Loki. Both Thor and Loki where roughly the same age. Odin probably decided that Thor would be better off with a brother in order to have a better childhood than the one Hela had. Maybe having a sibling would teach Thor things that Hela never knew. Compassion, caring for someone other than himself or the throne...

Loki grew up felling as he was treated differently but not really knowing why. Not knowing he wasn't really form asgardian blood. A grudge towards Odin and also Thor grew making him resent his father and brother. Thor on the other hand always cared for his brother treating him as an equal.

Thor still had in his blood the thirst for conflict his ancestors had. He was vain, brash and cocky. He wanted the throne and was ready to start conflicts regardless of the well being of other people. Then again he still loved his brother and that unwavering compassion became the key to unlocking his worthiness and making him a stronger person.

 

[Krystal]

A question maybe one of you guys might know the answer to........
Did an unedited version of the Ragnarok script ever become available?

What a useless piece of junk the "transcript" they released is.

Thanks!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'm guessing King Bor was the one that really started everything. We know that he waged war against others like Malekith and the dark elves in order to protect Asgard from the power of the Aether... So it's likely he was already on a path of war himself.

King Bor had a son in Odin and he most likely kept with his father tradition of war. King Odin then had Hela and his methods passed down to her as well. Things went very dark with all the conquering and death, Odin decided that he wanted to settle down with his family and even have another child but Hela simply wouldn't and couldn't stop so Odin ended up imprisoning her for his everyone's sake.

Then after some time King Odin finally had another child, this time a son... Thor. Some conflicts were still going on around the 9 realms like the one with Laufey and the frost giants who ended up on Earth trying to conquer it. Odin now on a more peaceful path came to help humanity against this threat and won that war. The legend of viking gods was born.

Odin lost an eye to the war. He also found a new born child... a frost giant he adopted who then became Loki. Both Thor and Loki where roughly the same age. Odin probably decided that Thor would be better off with a brother in order to have a better childhood than the one Hela had. Maybe having a sibling would teach Thor things that Hela never knew. Compassion, caring for someone other than himself or the throne...

Loki grew up felling as he was treated differently but not really knowing why. Not knowing he wasn't really form asgardian blood. A grudge towards Odin and also Thor grew making him resent his father and brother. Thor on the other hand always cared for his brother treating him as an equal.

Thor still had in his blood the thirst for conflict his ancestors had. He was vain, brash and cocky. He wanted the throne and was ready to start conflicts regardless of the well being of other people. Then again he still loved his brother and that unwavering compassion became the key to unlocking his worthiness and making him a stronger person.

Nice analysis.

I find the family legacy and dynamics here very intriguing. The intro to TDW was one of my favorite parts. Probably will never happen but I would definitely be down for a film that showed us more about Bor, a younger more powerful Odin and the early days of Asgard.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I agree, good analysis HD! I find the Asgardian royal family in the MCU fascinating, I'd also love it if we could have a film really going into the history of Asgard and the royal family in more depth, but I know that's just a pipe dream.

I've seen some interesting theories online about why Loki looks so much like Hela. Some theorise that Loki is actually Hela's son by some tryst with Laufey (ew) who she gave birth to whilst imprisoned and Odin took from her and decided to raise as his own. It would explain why they look so alike, and why Loki is much smaller than the other Frost Giants, but I still don't buy it. You'd think that would actually be a plot point in Ragnarok if true. I like another theory better, that Odin made him look like Hela out of some deep seated guilt he felt about her. We know that Loki is naturally blue skinned and red eyed like the other Frost Giants, and it was Odin's magic that transformed him (through the flashback in Thor), so it's interesting that he made him look just like Hela with pale skin, black hair and blue eyes. There was definitely something psychological going on there. It's also weird how Loki ended up sharing Hela's affinity for green and black clothing and crazy pointy headgear too. t:

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I LOL'd during the Honest Trailer when they're like "are we sure Thor isn't the adopted one?"

 

[BigThor]

MCU Fight: Thor vs Hulk in the Marvel Films threads.

Link is in my signature

 

[HammerDown]

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[HammerDown]

Taika Waititi has new project called "Jojo Rabbit".
I created a thread for that movie if you guys are interested.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=36427133#post36427133

 

[rashad]

I wished there was a small moment with Heimdall telling him that The Warriors Three died in the initial attack. Or some kind of dig by Hela when talking to Thor. These were his friends. I just felt their deaths were unceremonious. The lack of any acknowledgement was troubling on my first viewing.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I wished there was a small moment with Heimdall telling him that The Warriors Three died in the initial attack. Or some kind of dig by Hela when talking to Thor. These were his friends. I just felt their deaths were unceremonious. The lack of any acknowledgement was troubling on my first viewing.

I wish there was some kind of acknowledgement as well. If there's one part of the Thor series that I wish had been handled better was Thor's relationship with the Warriors Three and Sif. Besides the first film, they just flat out don't exist for the most part.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I wished there was a small moment with Heimdall telling him that The Warriors Three died in the initial attack. Or some kind of dig by Hela when talking to Thor. These were his friends. I just felt their deaths were unceremonious. The lack of any acknowledgement was troubling on my first viewing.

Hela would have had no idea who The Warriors Three were, let alone that they were friends of Thor. They were just anonymous victims, three of thousands, to her. I get that people wish that Thor had reacted in some way to their deaths, but I'm failing to see where there would have been time during the final battle. Thor wasn't exactly concerned with grieving right then, he had the more pressing issue of trying to stop Hela from slaughtering every single Asgardian citizen in existence to contend with.

 

[LTuser]

I just got done with a re-watch, and was wondering.

When Hela was walking through the treasure room, she said "Fake" to the gauntlet, looked unimpressed with the cold freezy thing of the frost giants. BUT was impressed sort of, by the cube.. So is that meaning the one there was real? IF so, how would thantos get it after the planet was destroyed?

Secondly, WHY, if thor is the god of thunder, DID that neck thinggy work?? Since it works by shocking you, and he ABSORBS LIGHTNING!!!