Guardians of the Galaxy To Infinity and Beyond: The Thanos Thread - Part 1

[JLMHodge]

His GOTG look as definitely grown on me. He looks amazing when he's talking and not smiling. The smile is the only thing that looked a bit off to me. If they were on that, and give him and bigger smile, it should look infinitely better, pardon the pun.



Fair enough. On topic how does everyone feel about Brolin more or less confirming that we'll see Lady Death in the Marvel universe? I really hope we do, and keeping with Brolin comparing this angle with his character arc in Sin City: ADTKF, how about Eva Green as Lady Death?

I agree. He looked capable of making more than two facial expressions. In Avengers his skin looked made of stone and very incapable of movement. The smile even looked weird. In GOTG he was much better and his size was incredible. The only adjustments I'd make are to darken his skin hue to more purple, and make his eyes glowing pits when he's enraged or excited.

I hear what you're saying about the smile, that seemed a bit off to me as well. As for Eva Green playing Lady Death, I think you picked a really good choice.

 

[The Endless]

Just because The Collector operates out of Knowhere doesn't mean that he wouldn't think of himself as a legitimate businessman. Even the most lawless Wild West towns had people who considered themselves to be legitimate business owners even if they ran less-than-reputable establishments or had seedy/shady reputations.

But he isn't legitimate. He's a black market buyer and collector. It isn't legal to hold sentient beings in cages.

Again, Yondu and Co. showing up at Knowhere doesn't automatically mean that The Collector was the person that the Xandarian Broker would've sold the Orb to had Quill not spooked him into cancelling the transaction. All that it means is that The Collector is one of the people that the Broker deals with, and is the person whose name Yondu managed to coax from the Broker under duress.

Well why wouldn't it be him? LITERALLY all evidence points to it being him. Why would he just randomly come out with "The Collector! On Knowhere!"

Analyzing things exactly as they're presented and making definitive statements about said analysis isn't 'over-thinking and complicating stuff'.

Indeed. But you are doing the exact opposite of that. You are taking things that are presented in specific ways, such as The Broker telling Yondu about The Collector, and spinning them off in directions that don't make sense to what is actually presented in the film.

There is a specific scene transition. Where Yondu threatens The Broker... it then immediately cuts to a scene with The Collector. This is basic storytelling using editing.

 

[DigificWriter]

But he isn't legitimate. He's a black market buyer and collector. It isn't legal to hold sentient beings in cages.

It wouldn't be on Earth, but we don't know what rules and laws govern interstellar territory, especially somewhere like Knowhere.

The Collector presents himself as and thinks of himself as a legitimate businessman even if he engages in less-than-above-board black market deals and keeps sentient beings in cages, and would deal with people like Gamora, the Broker (assuming that they did occasionally deal with each other), and Sif and Volstagg in the same fashion that a legitimate businessman would.

Well why wouldn't it be him? LITERALLY all evidence points to it being him. Why would he just randomly come out with "The Collector! On Knowhere!"

The same reason that people under duress will confess to things they didn't do. If you give someone what they want to hear, they'll generally stop hounding you.

Indeed. But you are doing the exact opposite of that. You are taking things that are presented in specific ways, such as The Broker telling Yondu about The Collector, and spinning them off in directions that don't make sense to what is actually presented in the film.

No, I'm not.

There is a specific scene transition. Where Yondu threatens The Broker... it then immediately cuts to a scene with The Collector. This is basic storytelling using editing.

It may be basic storytelling/editing technique, but it doesn't automatically mean that The Collector was the person that the Broker would've sold the Orb to, and, based on what we're presented with, it doesn't really make logical sense that The Collector would strike a deal with both Gamora AND the Xandarian Broker, particularly given that the Broker is presented as a legitimate businessman, which is exactly what The Collector presents himself as being.

 

[Bren]

What exactly are we arguing? I'm bored and would like to join in.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I'm not sure if you're serious, but the discussion centers around whether or not The Collector was the person that the Xandarian Broker would have sold the Orb to if his (the Broker') original deal with Quill and Yondu hadn't fallen through after Quill spooked him (the Broker).

I'm arguing that the film itself does not in any way specify this, while the opposing side is arguing that the way the film is cut together - coupled with Yondu and Co. showing up at Knowhere - indicates that The Collector had made deals for the Orb with both Gamora and the Xandarian Broker.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

There really is no argument. We should move on.

 

[Bren]

There really is no reality, we should all just die.

*cough*

I thought the Collector sent out feelers for the Orb, the Broker picked up the contract, signed the Ravagers to retrieve it in order to sell to the Collector.

 

[DigificWriter]

I thought the Collector sent out feelers for the Orb, the Broker picked up the contract, signed the Ravagers to retrieve it in order to sell to the Collector.

Then why would he have set up a deal for the Orb with Gamora?

That's where the opposing argument falls apart logically, because, as someone who presents himself as a legitimate businessman, The Collector isn't likely to broker two deals for the same object with two different groups of people.

 

[marcvader]

Anyone can pick up a contract. First come first served.

 

[Bren]

Then why would he have set up a deal for the Orb with Gamora?

That's where the opposing argument falls apart logically, because, as someone who presents himself as a legitimate businessman, The Collector isn't likely to broker two deals for the same object with two different groups of people.

Well, considering the Broker, err, broke when he heard who else was looking for it, don't you think that was pretty clever of the Collector? Not to put all his eggs in one basket?
And not for a single second did I, or anyone I know who watched the film, think that the Collector was a legitimate businessman.

 

[JC00]

The Broker's buyer was The Collector. Not sure how much more obvious they could make it. The fact that they cut to him when Yondu asks who and then Yondu showing up to Knowhere.

 

[JC00]

Then why would he have set up a deal for the Orb with Gamora?

That's where the opposing argument falls apart logically, because, as someone who presents himself as a legitimate businessman, The Collector isn't likely to broker two deals for the same object with two different groups of people.

Dude you lost the argument give up already.

He setup a deal with Gamora because she went to him and said she would get it. What's he going to do say no I already have The Broker getting it for me?

He's the frigging Collector. He doesn't care where it comes from as long as he gets it.

 

[cherokeesam]

The Collector never sends Yondu anywhere. The Collector and Yondu have nothing to do with each other.

The Broker commissions Yondu and the Ravagers to get the Orb, for a price that is never specified. Quill beats them to the punch.

The Broker would probably pay them a few thousands credits, he'd then sell it to The Collector for the same price Gamora was gonna sell it for. It's a typical business maneuver. Buy it cheap, sell it on for a profit.

As to why The Collector has deals in place with The Broker and Gamora? Why not? All he cares about is getting his hands on the Orb, not who actually manages to profit from it. Think of it like a bounty. First come, first serve. Whoever gets Tivan the Orb first, whether it's The Broker or Gamora, gets the money.

Explain why The Broker/Yondu/Quill are offered 20,000 by The Collector (according to you), and 4 billion for the same contract to Gamora.

And IIRC Gamora didn't make a deal with The Collector until she communicated with him aboard the Milano. Either way, The Collector is a guy i'd imagine likes to cover his bases. He just wants The Orb, he doesn't care who he gets it from.

You yourself said this....^ Gamora didn't make a deal with The Collector until she communicated with him aboard the Milano. After Quill had already got the Orb, and she found out how badly Ronan/Thanos wanted it.

The far more logical scenario is that Yondu, Quill, and/or The Broker were just doing what space pirates typically do: look for treasure. Arrrr. Doesn't make sense for Tivan to quest them with that. In fact, Tivan's history with Stone-gathering, so far, has been that the Stones come to him by windfall and providence (i.e., Gamora, Sif and Volstagg), *not* by him actively pursuing them. It just turned out that the "little" treasure Quill snagged from Morag turned out to be something much, much bigger.

 

[PunyGod]

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[DigificWriter]

Dude I've already shown you how wrong you were about simple facts presented in the movie.

Like the man says give it up and move on already.

I'm not sure who you're addressing here, but I take exception to the tone of your post.

I haven't once behaved in a defensive manner with regards to this entire line of discussion, but you and others who share your viewpoint have repeatedly acted like I'm 'beating a dead horse' and you've won some big victory by 'proving me wrong' (which is typical defensive behavior).

Now, I'm personally enjoying the discussion in spite of your guys' defensiveness, but if you really want me to drop it, I will.

 

[PunyGod]

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[JC00]

Explain why The Broker/Yondu/Quill are offered 20,000 by The Collector (according to you), and 4 billion for the same contract to Gamora.

Easy.

Yondu/Quill were offered a certain amount by The Broker and The Broker was gonna sell it The Collector for much more. I mean he was basically a fence and that's fencing 101.

Gamora cut out the middle man and went directly to The Collector.

 

[The Endless]

****ing hell it really is THAT simple.

 

[misjuevos]

just a gif i made with movie thanos. similar to the other one i made with comic thanos flying in his chair. thanos quest.

 

[KINGTHANOS]

just a gif i made with movie thanos. similar to the other one i made with comic thanos flying in his chair. thanos quest.

That's freakin awesome! Well done! If only it could be a gif inside a gif, with Thanos smiling as its own gif inside of the flying through space gif!

 

[Wildcard]

just a gif i made with movie thanos. similar to the other one i made with comic thanos flying in his chair. thanos quest.

Haha that's too epic for mere words. t:

 

[misjuevos]

That's freakin awesome! Well done! If only it could be a gif inside a gif, with Thanos smiling as its own gif inside of the flying through space gif!

i know what you mean. i thought about it. i did make the boosters flare up a little. but at the speed he is moving you don't really notice. i figured the smile would not be noticeable either.

 

[ctsketch]

So, Odin/Loki was saying "It's a bad idea for us to keep TWO Stones in one place, but here, you go ahead and collect all six?" Yeah, no. Again: two (or more) Stones have shared space already in The Avengers, TDW, and GOTG, and nobody *****ed. Hell, Odin himself made it a point to collect powerful cosmic artifacts and keep them in HIS little museum. Are you saying he had a change of heart after Loki left the back door to that museum open in Thor 1? Or is it more likely that LOKI was the one who made up the whole "it's a bad idea to have two Stones in the same place" b.s. to distract the stooges he sent to Knowhere with the Aether?



Really? So I take it you missed the part when The Broker panicked and kicked Quill out of his store and refused to buy the Orb when he found out that Ronan/Thanos were looking for it?

NOBODY sent Quill out after the Orb. There's no evidence to say he was commissioned to do that mission at all. Instead, he makes it clear during his visit to The Broker that he nabbed the Orb on his own, and was going solo and even breaking away from Yondu in the process. The Broker didn't recognize the Orb, and only seemed mildly interested in it, until Quill mentioned Korath and Ronan, and then all bets were off.

Him not knowing Ronan was after the orb has ZERO to do with him selling it to collector. all he knew was there was an item the collector wanted and was willing to pay big for. he panicked because he found out Ronan was involved in the deal as well. how the heck does that invalidate anything I said?

Also.... Asgard did not know the collector was collecting all six. all they know is they were giving him one for safe keeping. He didn't said 1 down 5 to go till they left. honestly sam, I don't know where you get your reasoning sometimes but aren't you tired of being wrong?

 

[jaqua99]

oh my god

 

[marcvader]

oh my god

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