Guardians of the Galaxy To Infinity and Beyond: The Thanos Thread - Part 1

[DigificWriter]

now we are talking about how adding an 's' to the end of a word gives us the secrets to the universe.

No, what we're talking about, at its core, is the idea that the film says something about a particular character (the Broker)'s relationship to another character (The Collector) that it doesn't.

The Broker does not in fact identify any one specific person (The Collector or otherwise) as being interested in the Orb, even though Yondu assumes that there was a specific individual that the Broker would have sold it to and that this person is the person that Quill is headed to see.

The entirety of that scene hinges on Yondu making assumptions that the Broker himself doesn't actually confirm.

 

[PunyGod]

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[DigificWriter]

Like I said you are over interpreting.

No, I'm not. I'm analyzing the scene as it is.

The scenes are very clear in their purpose.

This is an area we can agree on; where we disagree is on what the purpose actually was.

But there seems to be so much confusion here that I wouldn't even know where to begin to correct you people so as I said I'm out.

How does analyzing the scene as it is equate to 'so much confusion here'?

 

[ctsketch]

No, what we're talking about, at its core, is the idea that the film says something about a particular character (the Broker)'s relationship to another character (The Collector) that it doesn't.

The Broker does not in fact identify any one specific person (The Collector or otherwise) as being interested in the Orb, even though Yondu assumes that there was a specific individual that the Broker would have sold it to and that this person is the person that Quill is headed to see.

The entirety of that scene hinges on Yondu making assumptions that the Broker himself doesn't actually confirm.

After that scene Yondu and his crew went to Knowhere and found Quill....your argument is invalid

 

[cherokeesam]

The reason having two stones close isn't because it would cause some kind of disaster it's because if someone is trying to collect them...making it easier to collect or letting someone wield two stones even is a bad idea... it's kinda obvious sam... like Thanos not being collector obvious

So, Odin/Loki was saying "It's a bad idea for us to keep TWO Stones in one place, but here, you go ahead and collect all six?" Yeah, no. Again: two (or more) Stones have shared space already in The Avengers, TDW, and GOTG, and nobody *****ed. Hell, Odin himself made it a point to collect powerful cosmic artifacts and keep them in HIS little museum. Are you saying he had a change of heart after Loki left the back door to that museum open in Thor 1? Or is it more likely that LOKI was the one who made up the whole "it's a bad idea to have two Stones in the same place" b.s. to distract the stooges he sent to Knowhere with the Aether?

The broker was buying the orb on the cheap so he could sell it to the collector at a much higher price sam

Really? So I take it you missed the part when The Broker panicked and kicked Quill out of his store and refused to buy the Orb when he found out that Ronan/Thanos were looking for it?

NOBODY sent Quill out after the Orb. There's no evidence to say he was commissioned to do that mission at all. Instead, he makes it clear during his visit to The Broker that he nabbed the Orb on his own, and was going solo and even breaking away from Yondu in the process. The Broker didn't recognize the Orb, and only seemed mildly interested in it, until Quill mentioned Korath and Ronan, and then all bets were off.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Keyser Soze]

Can I get some kind of notification when this soul-crushing bickering has ended and the Thanos thread is viewable again?

 

[Hyde]

That'll be never.

 

[metaphysician]

Maybe after Avengers 3, when it becomes absolutely inarguable that the Collector is not working for Thanos?

*remembers the Clairvoyant*

. . .or maybe not.

 

[Spider-Fan]

^ The Broker is being vague, while Yondu is not, but the Broker never actually confirms that there's one specific person to whom he would've sold the Orb had Quill actually managed to fulfill their original agreement.

You've taken a vague inference and interpreted it as being specific when, based on the contents of the scene itself, there is no indication that it's meant to have that level of specificity applied to it.

Yondu shows up to Knowhere after his interrogation of the Broker. We only don't see him say his buyers name because they cut away from the scene. Not because he was naming different buyers. The VERY next scene is also literally of the Collector. Like someone said, that is basic cinema: answering a question with visuals. Rather than dialogue. Yondu asks who is your buyer, the movie SHOWS US the Collector. That is your answer.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Collector was already purchasing the Orb from Gamora; why in the heck would he also be working a deal for the same object with the Xandarian Broker?

It defies logic.

The Collector was clearly someone whose name Yondu did in fact manage to get out of the Broker, but it doesn't mean that he was specifically the person the Broker was going to sell the Orb to because the Broker - in both of the scenes where somebody confronts him about the Orb - remains vague as to who might be interested in it (the Orb).

 

[The Endless]

Why is there even debate about this subject? Are people trying to make it more complex than it is to make themselves feel smarter or something?

What happens in the film is very straight forward. The Broker has hired the Ravagers to get the Orb. Quill obviously beats Yondu to the punch because he wants the money for himself. The Broker, who is then going to sell it on to The Collector, gets cold feet when he learns Ronan is also after it.

Simple.

 

[The Endless]

The Collector was already purchasing the Orb from Gamora; why in the heck would he also be working a deal for the same object with the Xandarian Broker?

It defies logic.

The Collector was clearly someone whose name Yondu did in fact manage to get out of the Broker, but it doesn't mean that he was specifically the person the Broker was going to sell the Orb to because the Broker - in both of the scenes where somebody confronts him about the Orb - remains vague as to who might be interested in it (the Orb).

He remains vague until Yondu threatens him with his whistle arrow thingy. He then clearly tells Yondu about The Collector.

Or did Yondu and co just randomly decide to visit Knowhere?

And IIRC Gamora didn't make a deal with The Collector until she communicated with him aboard the Milano. Either way, The Collector is a guy i'd imagine likes to cover his bases. He just wants The Orb, he doesn't care who he gets it from.

 

[terry78]

My sig is apropos as of now.

 

[The Endless]

The Greg Kinnear thing?

 

[terry78]

Shaddup.

 

[KINGTHANOS]

****.. When can we talk about Thanos again?

 

[JLMHodge]

****.. When can we talk about Thanos again?

On the subject of Thanos, I wasn't too keen on his appearance at first, but a second viewing changed my mind and it grew on me. I wish his eyes were like they are in the comics.

 

[cherokeesam]

Why is there even debate about this subject? Are people trying to make it more complex than it is to make themselves feel smarter or something?

What happens in the film is very straight forward. The Broker has hired the Ravagers to get the Orb. Quill obviously beats Yondu to the punch because he wants the money for himself. The Broker, who is then going to sell it on to The Collector, gets cold feet when he learns Ronan is also after it.

Simple.

*This* I'll agree with. But I'll also agree with *this*:

The Collector was already purchasing the Orb from Gamora; why in the heck would he also be working a deal for the same object with the Xandarian Broker?

It defies logic.

It just makes no sense at all that The Collector would be sending Yondu after the Orb on Morag for a 20,000 payout, but then turn right around and offer the same damn contract to Gamora for 4 gazillion.

The Broker's contract *has* to be separate from The Collector; there's just too big of a discrepancy in the payout for two people to be after the same object for two wildly different fees.

****.. When can we talk about Thanos again?

We *are* talking about Thanos. We're just not saying things about Thanos that *you're* interested in. Say some things about Thanos that *you're* interested in, and we'll all be happy to join in your conversation as well.

 

[The Endless]

It just makes no sense at all that The Collector would be sending Yondu after the Orb on Morag for a 20,000 payout, but then turn right around and offer the same damn contract to Gamora for 4 gazillion.

The Broker's contract *has* to be separate from The Collector; there's just too big of a discrepancy in the payout for two people to be after the same object for two wildly different fees.

The Collector never sends Yondu anywhere. The Collector and Yondu have nothing to do with each other.

The Broker commissions Yondu and the Ravagers to get the Orb, for a price that is never specified. Quill beats them to the punch.

The Broker would probably pay them a few thousands credits, he'd then sell it to The Collector for the same price Gamora was gonna sell it for. It's a typical business maneuver. Buy it cheap, sell it on for a profit.

As to why The Collector has deals in place with The Broker and Gamora? Why not? All he cares about is getting his hands on the Orb, not who actually manages to profit from it. Think of it like a bounty. First come, first serve. Whoever gets Tivan the Orb first, whether it's The Broker or Gamora, gets the money.

 

[DigificWriter]

He remains vague until Yondu threatens him with his whistle arrow thingy. He then clearly tells Yondu about The Collector.

Or did Yondu and co just randomly decide to visit Knowhere?

Just because Yondu and Co. showed up at Knowhere doesn't automatically mean that the Broker had made a deal with The Collector for the Orb; The Collector is clearly somebody whose name the Broker gave to Yondu, but, again, that doesn't automatically mean that The Collector was in fact the person that the Broker would've sold the Orb to if Quill hadn't spooked him by mentioning Ronan's name.

IIRC Gamora didn't make a deal with The Collector until she communicated with him aboard the Milano.

The Collector was clearly intended to be the person Gamora was referring to earlier in the film when she told Quill that she had someone who would buy the Orb for significantly more than the Broker would've paid Quill and Yondu for it. We know this because, after contacting him (The Collector), she tells Quill that she's made contact with 'her buyer' and then tells him to head for Knowhere.

As to why The Collector has deals in place with The Broker and Gamora? Why not? All he cares about is getting his hands on the Orb, not who actually manages to profit from it. Think of it like a bounty. First come, first serve. Whoever gets Tivan the Orb first, whether it's The Broker or Gamora, gets the money.

The Collector passes himself off as a legitimate, largely upstanding businessman (at least that's the vibe I got from both his appearance at the end of Thor: The Dark World and his involvement in GotG); most legimate, upstanding businessmen don't go around 'doubling up' on deals they've made.

 

[The Endless]

I never got the sense The Collector was a legitimate businessman. He operates on Knowhere, a place that we're told is ran by outlaws and has no laws... He has sentient beings locked up in cages.

There is no way The Collector is a legitimate businessman.

And what is the purpose of that scene where Yondu forces The Broker to tell him who his buyer is? Why would it be anyone else? The way the scene transitions to The Collector... and the fact Yondu and co show up on Knowhere indicates this.

It really is that simple. There is no need to over think and over complicate this stuff.

 

[jaqua99]

Thanos was better in GOtG I think. He looked odd and pretty in Avengers. His skin had a red hue, and the movement looked a little off. We only saw a face. No body, anything. That other stuff from Avengers was just concept art. Thanos was infinitely better in gotg I think. I think his face was too sleek and polished and even pretty looking in avengers. I didn't see age

 

[DigificWriter]

I never got the sense The Collector was a legitimate businessman. He operates on Knowhere, a place that we're told is ran by outlaws and has no laws... He has sentient beings locked up in cages.

There is no way The Collector is a legitimate businessman.

Just because The Collector operates out of Knowhere doesn't mean that he wouldn't think of himself as a legitimate businessman. Even the most lawless Wild West towns had people who considered themselves to be legitimate business owners even if they ran less-than-reputable establishments or had seedy/shady reputations.

And what is the purpose of that scene where Yondu forces The Broker to tell him who his buyer is? Why would it be anyone else? The way the scene transitions to The Collector... and the fact Yondu and co show up on Knowhere indicates this.

Again, Yondu and Co. showing up at Knowhere doesn't automatically mean that The Collector was the person that the Xandarian Broker would've sold the Orb to had Quill not spooked him into cancelling the transaction. All that it means is that The Collector is one of the people that the Broker deals with, and is the person whose name Yondu managed to coax from the Broker under duress.

It really is that simple. There is no need to over think and over complicate this stuff.

Analyzing things exactly as they're presented and making definitive statements about said analysis isn't 'over-thinking and complicating stuff'.

 

[KINGTHANOS]

On the subject of Thanos, I wasn't too keen on his appearance at first, but a second viewing changed my mind and it grew on me. I wish his eyes were like they are in the comics.

His GOTG look as definitely grown on me. He looks amazing when he's talking and not smiling. The smile is the only thing that looked a bit off to me. If they were on that, and give him and bigger smile, it should look infinitely better, pardon the pun.

We *are* talking about Thanos. We're just not saying things about Thanos that *you're* interested in. Say some things about Thanos that *you're* interested in, and we'll all be happy to join in your conversation as well.

Fair enough. On topic how does everyone feel about Brolin more or less confirming that we'll see Lady Death in the Marvel universe? I really hope we do, and keeping with Brolin comparing this angle with his character arc in Sin City: ADTKF, how about Eva Green as Lady Death?

Thanos was better in GOtG I think. He looked odd and pretty in Avengers. His skin had a red hue, and the movement looked a little off. We only saw a face. No body, anything. That other stuff from Avengers was just concept art. Thanos was infinitely better in gotg I think. I think his face was too sleek and polished and even pretty looking in avengers. I didn't see age

I agree. He looked incapable of making more than two facial expressions. In Avengers his skin looked made of stone and very incapable of movement. The smile even looked weird. In GOTG he was much better and his size was incredible. The only adjustments I'd make are to darken his skin hue to more purple, and make his eyes glowing pits when he's enraged or excited.