Two Heroes Cut From JLA?

[odiin]

The thing I like about this is:

1. You don't have to recast the characters. Christian Bale and Brandon Routh are still THE film Batman and Superman

2. You aren't tired down by Bale and or Routh not wanting to do the film. This way instead of relying on the chance that they both will do it but probably only as a one-off thing. you can just use the other 5 actors and actually turn this into a franchise. Justice League could become DC's equivalent to the X-Men film series

3. Even if they decide to pass on this film, because a franchise is now viable, Batman and/or Superman could still show up and play big parts in future installments

 

[FlawlessVictory]

This is actually great news.

I think WB/DC decided to follow Marvels Avengers plan and make all the heroes fit into one universe instead of several different incarnations.

Batman and Superman could continue in their own franchaises while JL launches the additional characters.

I wonder if this means Superman will fight Doomsday in Superman Man of Steel?

I agree with the great news part because I want one universe as well. However, I don't think they would have Superman "die" again in SR2 after he just "died" in SR.

Theres a report in the L.A. Times apparently that WB has got a screenwriter for Man of Steel, perhaps theres a bigger plan here.

The LA Times is reporting they are looking for writers but not that they have one yet.

 

[The Major]

This is actually great news.

I think WB/DC decided to follow Marvels Avengers plan and make all the heroes fit into one universe instead of several different incarnations.

Batman and Superman could continue in their own franchaises while JL launches the additional characters.

I wonder if this means Superman will fight Doomsday in Superman Man of Steel?

Theres a report in the L.A. Times apparently that WB has got a screenwriter for Man of Steel.

That makes sense.

JL allows WB to bring many B and C-list characters to the screen without having to resort to solo movies simultaneously. It will make it much easier for the characters to appeal to audiences without either of the big two taking up screen time from them.

 

[odiin]

Oh, one thing for the people who are afraid of the movie bombing because Batman and Superman aren't in it:

Based on how little the characters have to do with the film, WB could easily coax Bale and Routh to come in for a couple days shooting for quick cameos that show a scene or 2 of the League all together, and then a scene of Superman's death and Batman's expulsion. Then they simply stick those scenes into the trailers, and the general public (who wouldn't really care anyway) are none the wiser.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah but it shouldn't be Batman being expelled from the team movie one... it should be Batman JOINING the team in JLA 2... its a no brainer... that is if Batman is written out in JLA one... but by JLA 2... which would if anything be around 2014 or later... they'd recast Batman by then... so forget about Bale... Superman is interesting... but unless they make a death of Superman film before hand... there is no point in writting out Superman as a dead character... unless they just ignore everything and just reboot... but YOU CAN NOT kill Superman out without showing it in a movie before hand... if anything MOS should be left on a cliff hanger... with Superman returning in JLA 2... or just reboot and go with a new SUperman from JLA 1 itself... those are the only viable options in my mind.

 

[The War Machine]

I agree with the great news part because I want one universe as well. However, I don't think they would have Superman "die" again in SR2 after he just "died" in SR.

Who knows.. WB seemed to love the idea of Doomsday as the film's big action villian for a decade.

His death may be self contained in the film itself and not a cliffhanger. But it's too soon to say.

I know they wanted a villian for Superman to physically fight, Doomsday is definitely the most notorious for that.

 

[The War Machine]

Yeah but it should be Batman being expelled from the team movie one... it should be Batman JOINING the team in JLA 2... its a no brainer... .

Bingo.

This could allow Bale and Routh to appear in the JL sequel after their individual franchaises are done.

Alot like The Avengers.

 

[The War Machine]

The LA Times is reporting they are looking for writers but not that they have one yet.

Yeah I accidently leaked something. Showtime had told me they were in talks with one.

Supposedly a 'famous screenwriter'

 

[odiin]

Batman joining later on would probably be even better, but if they can get Christian Bale at least for a couple of days to film a scene where he's kicked out of the league than I think that would be the way to go, but if not, I agree, just have him join "later."

 

[The Major]

Who knows.. WB seemed to love the idea of Doomsday as the film's big action villian for a decade.

His death may be self contained in the film itself and not a cliffhanger. But it's too soon to say.

I know they wanted a villian for Superman to physically fight, Doomsday is definitely the most notorious for that.

Depending on how they play it WB could show more of Kryton with Doomsday's origin, too.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Bingo.

This could allow Bale and Routh to appear in the JL sequel after their individual franchaises are done.

Alot like The Avengers.

As I said... its wishful thinking... but IF this holds up... the new timeline MIGHT be...

MOS... Holiday 09... maybe 2010 but WB already has HP7 there
JLA/BB3 2011

If depends... if Nolan comes back you hold off till like 2012 for a JLA... have Superman coming back but maybe hold off on Batman... and JLA 2 (2015)... Batman comes back in (recasted probably)... best case scenario is return both Bale and Routh for JLA from the get go... and ditch BB3 if Nolan walks... VERY doable with a similar script they got right now...

 

[The War Machine]

I dont see why Nolan would walk based on this arrangement.

Nolan will get his BB3 here before Batman appears in JLA.

 

[The Major]

I dont see why Nolan would walk based on this arrangement.

Agreed.

Nolan will get his BB3 here before Batman appears in JLA.

That's if the JL 2010 date is true.

 

[odiin]

The time kind of depends on whether Man of Steel or Justice League is higher priority to them, but I think the 2010 date will probably stick. Remember they can have more than one big movie a year. Both Batman films have been released the same year as Harry Potter movies. In 2005 alone they had 5 films that cost over $100,000,000. They just want to make sure they don't cram them in too tight.

 

[The Major]

The time kind of depends on whether Man of Steel or Justice League is higher priority to them, but I think the 2010 date will probably stick. Remember they can have more than one big movie a year. Both Batman films have been released the same year as Harry Potter movies.

I know they can do it. It's just a small rumor from an Australian newspaper. Has it been confirmed by WB or published in other websites/newspapers yet? That would get it more credibility.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I dont see why Nolan would walk based on this arrangement.

Nolan will get his BB3 here before Batman appears in JLA.

I didn't say he would... I said it gives WB a backup plan in 2011... by that I mean if Nolan walks maybe they can lure Bale with a 25 million dollar check or something to topline Justice League of America... they still have that clause in his 3 picture contract anyways... but if BB3 DOES happen... (and assuming they hold off JLA until after)... then they'd push it back to 2012... and Batman would probably still be left out since Bale wouldn't do it that soon. Again if Superman is to be written in as dead you need to make MOS before that... and in all likelyhood JLA will NOT be a summer 2010 tentpole because WB is investing big there in HP 7... makes no sense... they'll hold the project off even later... and I do think Batman would still be written out if Bale didn't come back.

 

[odiin]

I know they can do it. It's just a small rumor from an Australian newspaper. Has it been confirmed by WB or published in other websites/newspapers yet? That would get it more credibility.

I'm not sure. I've seen it on several different sites, but that may just be a case of them re-reporting the initial rumour.

 

[The Major]

I'm not sure. I've seen it on several different sites,

Do you have any links?

but that may just be a case of them re-reporting the initial rumour.

True.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The time kind of depends on whether Man of Steel or Justice League is higher priority to them, but I think the 2010 date will probably stick. Remember they can have more than one big movie a year. Both Batman films have been released the same year as Harry Potter movies. In 2005 alone they had 5 films that cost over $100,000,000. They just want to make sure they don't cram them in too tight.

Yeah but you shouldn't do HP and DC in the same season... HP 4 was Holiday 2005... BB was summer 2005... there are two slots available right now... Holiday 09 and Holiday 2010 (or the hapass JLA for summer of 2009)... that's why you need to target MOS in one of those two dates... either way Singer wouldn't need to rush up and it'd give them plenty of time to think it over... JLA shouldn't be a Holiday release though... gotto put that in the summer... I don't see them giving JLA a December release... its a stupid move... the question we need to be asking ourselves (as should WB)... do you want BB3 with Bale? Or JLA with Bale? But you can't have both if we are just hypothesizing for a minute... I think JLA/Bale sounds a lot more juicier considering the circumstances with the late Heath Ledger and Nolan's reluctance to comit to a third...

 

[Orin]

Financially it'll lessen the audience draw, but WW's presence and the JL itself might make up for it.

You really think WW or the Justice League are nearly as big mainstream draws as Batman and Superman? LOL!

I disagree. In the comics and cartoon, JLU, the Justice League worked without their presence. No reason it can't here.

The JLU cartoon worked without the PERMANENT presence of Batman and Superman AFTER they introduced the other Leaguers alongside those two...

And you can't really compare comics and movies. Yeah, they introduced the League without the Big 2 there ... like 40 years ago. And without them, it never made the numbers it made with them... Or why do you think they would never throw them out nowadays?

It shouldn't be... cause this movie ain't coming out in summer 09.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know and i've never said i do. But of course, you think you do... cause you seem to take pretty much every newsbit that says the things you want to hear as fact, while all the other stuff is bull****. But anyway, since WB never gets it's Superhero movies out at the first try, you'll most likely be able to post your pathetic "Yeah, the movie i didn't want to see won't be happeing... I WON!" comment pretty soon, when the the news that the 2009 release is scrapped will be official...

Oh, and as for all the people who still think WB will make these solo-movie conncetin/built up or whatever ... i'll come back to that in like fife years, when there'll still be nothing elese than jet another Batman movie and maybe a Superman Returns sequel, that once again splits the fanbase in half. But since people seem to be happy with that...

 

[The Major]

You really think WW or the Justice League are nearly as big mainstream draws as Batman and Superman? LOL!

I meant that it will have some draw left, not the same level as those two bring in.

That's why I mentioned the budget could be bought down to lessen the risk. Hopefully keeping it high enough to keep the characters at the appropriate power level.

The JLU cartoon worked without the PERMANENT presence of Batman and Superman AFTER they introduced the other Leaguers alongside those two...

True.

And you can't really compare comics and movies. Yeah, they introduced the League without the Big 2 there ... like 40 years ago. And without them, it never made the numbers it made with them... Or why do you think they would never throw them out nowadays?

Can't argue there.

I'd actually be surprised if they do this. I do like the idea so the lesser characters can get more story but I wonder if it'll stick due to the size of the project.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know and i've never said i do. But of course, you think you do... cause you seem to take pretty much every newsbit that says the things you want to hear as fact, while all the other stuff is bull****. But anyway, since WB never gets it's Superhero movies out at the first try, you'll most likely be able to post your pathetic "Yeah, the movie i didn't want to see won't be happeing... I WON!" comment pretty soon, when the the news that the 2009 release is scrapped will be official...

Oh, and as for all the people who still think WB will make these solo-movie conncetin/built up or whatever ... i'll come back to that in like fife years, when there'll still be nothing elese than jet another Batman movie and maybe a Superman Returns sequel, that once again splits the fanbase in half. But since people seem to be happy with that...

Feel free to take you cheap shots... its not going to get you anywhere as it is going to get me anywhere... I have made valid arguments in the past... and a week ago I perhaps was a little blunt with some of my remarks and you get on me for it... I wasn't looking to offend you or anyone... but if that's how it came out then my fault. That said... let me just tell you what makes me "puke"... a hapass rush job for something as massive as this project as this just to meet a deadline... that's what I find offensive as a fan of the characters and the source material. So you go ahead and support Miller and his junk just the way I told people here to give X3 a chance a couple of years back. I told people not to panic and that Fox would do a decent job as it did the first two times... then I saw it for what it was before the release... a hapass rush job that wasn't done with care and consideration for the source material. And I boot legged it for good measure... so get impatient and clamour for your 09 JLA if that's what you want... I'll tell you right now that's not what I want... nor is it what a lot of other people want for this film... but its the impatient fanboys that can't wait a few years that gives these greedy studios their money to make more crap ass films... I learned my lesson though... and in five years... if WB does what people want them to do... you are going to be coming back to say... "man that was worth the wait...."

 

[The Guard]

Why is it that everytime there is a rumor from any source...most of you accept it as truth instantly and panic?

 

[KBX]

That is what I heard too, it must have actually been true at this point. Too many sites reporting it.

If Variety, HolRep, or to a lesser extent IESB doesn't report it, I won't believe it. Mainly because so far, everyone else has been wrong, cept for those 3 sites...

Why is it that everytime there is a rumor from any source...most of you accept it as truth instantly and panic?

Thats what people do. But this and the rest of news concerning this project should be taken as a grain of salt until someone with credibility says otherwise....

 

[Showtime]

My impression, of the original news involving the possible inclusion of the Death of Superman storyline and the Batman being kicked out of the league, was that these instances were included in the script. Now it seems like they are dealing with aftermath of said instances, but that doesn't make sense. I feel like something is lost in the translation here, there is no way that Batman and Superman are not in the movie.