jaqua99
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Yeah guys. I like to discuss Ultron in my Ultron thread...do that more. Less Thanos/Gauntlet talk.
Thank you
Ultron stealing the Gauntlet was a joke on my part. Didn't realize folks would take it seriously.
Anyhow, in your scenario, seems more likely that Scott Lang would steal the Power Gem than Hank Pym. It would be pretty hard to come up with a scenario where either Ant-Man would just happen to find a stray Power Gem lying around the lab, though.
Plus, it goes contrary to one of the things that makes Ultron so terrifying: his ability to upgrade himself. You defeat him, he just makes Ultron-2. And Ultron-3. And so on. With each iteration more powerful than before. That's kind of what Ultron is known for. It takes away from his identity to just say some magic cosmic gem is what gives him all his power. Ultron needs to be grounded in reality, not magic. (And face it, Ultron is a very realistic possibility....a self-replicating, self-aware AI.)
No lie, that second paragraph gave me chills t:
It doesn't have to be simply lying around a lab.
Here's an idea I just came up with that would, hypothetically, explain the Power Gem:
Hank Pym is working for Advanced Idea Mechanics. They're a company that considers Stark Industries a rival and they've seen how the arc-reactor is powering Stark Tower in NYC. They can't just allow Stark Industries to have such a great upper-hand when it comes to clean energy, so they start trying to come up with anything to rival the arc-reactor.
Now, maybe AIM is interested in geo-thermal energy as an alternative to the arc-reactor, or maybe they think vibranium is the key, so they have Pym and his assistant, Ms. Janet Van Dyne, develop some 'dumb' A.I. to take core samples or something. In one such sample they actually find something viable - but it isn't vibranium or anything like that - it's something completely new and it seems to only be this single gem that possesses this "clean energy". It's basically a perpetual battery....
Continue on with the Ant-Man story, Pym discovers that AIM has some sort of nefarious intention, yadda yadda yadda....
At the end of the movie (or at least in the last half), Pym recovers "this power gem" (which he wants to submit as a new element discovery and wants it called 'ultronanium' or something like that) So towards the end Pym develops a 'true' A.I. - an 'intelligent' A.I., that will run on this battery that never runs out of juice - and dubs it 'Project Ultron'. Lead into Avengers 2.
Just a quick little idea I had.
I like it. Seriously. Though, personally, I would want Ultron already to be introduced before Avengers 2. That's what worked for the avengers. They had all the time to develop the team and story, without origins. I would prefer Ultron gets created in ant-man, and I told my friend this. We see hints of him through out the movie. He never says anything of it though.
However, we get references to Ultron through out the movie, in ant-man. Then the after credit scene is say, Hank goes into a room. We are watching him from Ultron's perspective. We see hank walk over to a desk, picks up some glasses, and a voice says, good evening doctor pym. And Hank looks at the camera and says, Hi Ultron, forgot my glasses. He holds up his classes, smiles, and leaves. Then as he shuts off the lights (its not totally dark) the camera changes to Ultron's face, at the time, his eyes and mouth are blue, and for about 3 seconds, it flickers on, then off, then on, then off. Then stays off for about 3 seconds, then it turns back on red.
Then back to blue. and it ends.
That would be perfect for me.
So by the time Avengers 2 roles around, Ultron can already be created
This I like. I like the idea that Pym's most successful scientific contribution and a breakthrough becomes a massive threat to life on Earth. But also I want to see it be presented to also show that Ultron is Pym's dark side given form. Pym has very real mental problems, and secretly resents his friends, his team of Avengers, his wife, himself, his colleagues, etc. And when he scans his own mind for the blueprints to Ultron's brain Ultron becomes sort of the evil version of Pym. I also think Ultron would continue on and along with his upgrades he would upgrade his mind and formulate his own hatred and reasons for them. And Pym being like his father, Ultron is like the son who learns to be full of hate at his father's rivals from his father. Pym blames himself and feels more guilt than he is actually blamed for. He also would feel such guilt because all his doubts, fears, hatred, resentments, anger, sadness, etc, have been made public in a very big and public way. Plus Pym already suffers from real mental problems like anxiety, stress, schizophrenia, etc. So this wouldn't help him.
So its like Frankenstein's monster, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde sort of, and a father and son story.
Bring in the idea that Ultron creates Vision, and Vision sees the flaws in Ultron's hate and turns against his own father, and it becomes a generational thing. The grandfather (Pym) inadvertently passes down his hate to his son (Ultron), the son (Ultron) passes down his hate to his own son (Vision) who listens to the grandfather who has changed his heart. Ultimately Vision would in a way redeem Pym.
So true