Venom Revamp

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I'm very interested in the dialogue in the Spidey vs. Venom battles.

 

[Anwar]

Probably most of it would involve Venom bragging about how he knows all of Peter's secrets and stuff.

"I'm sure Tombstone would like to know your home address. Why don't I be courteous to him?"

 

[Visionary]

So are you saying that everyone here has expectations that are too high to please, or are you saying that you naturally expect "Spec SM"'s take on Eddie/Venom to fail regardless?

Both.

I doubt they'll have a good reason, and enough time to explain why Brock would hate Spidey and want him dead. It would be easier to just make the alien suit evil to move the story along. Play the hold over the two host (Peter/Brock) differently based on their will to resist it, creating friction in Peter's life. With Brock being the unstable one and not being able to resist it, of course, and having the symbiote/Venom damn Spidey for rejecting it.

Most people want a long drawn out story of why Brock hates Spidey, and for it to seem believable, I just don't see them pulling that off. If fact, I've never really seen it pulled off well. Might I be surprised, I doubt it.

 

[Arcturus]

My expectations aren't too high, before the new series even started I wasn't that hyped up. But once I tuned into the Spectacular Spider-Man, each and every episode has impressed me. I don't think they will fail on the venom arc.

 

[WolfCypher]

I will agree on this: if they want to make Eddie's hatred seem genuine and big, they need to start things like...an episode ago.

 

[Arcturus]

Well we have a few episodes to go yet, so it's a given things will pick up. Plus, it was said in the podcast that when Eddie Brock becomes Venom, it makes the connection between Parker and Brock that much more tragic.

 

[The Joker]

Well said. Though, I'll be happy with whatever I get.

LOL! At least you're honest about that

 

[Arcturus]

I was honest, too.

 

[The Joker]

I was honest, too.

I mean in the sense that he said whatever they do with Venom, he'll be happy with it. You said you're confident it will be good.

He's basically loving the character sight unseen. Not something everyone admits to.

 

[Silver Spider]

Wasn't everyone honest?

 

[Arcturus]

I mean in the sense that he said whatever they do with Venom, he'll be happy with it. You said you're confident it will be good.

He's basically loving the character sight unseen.

Oh I see, I simply took it the wrong way.

My apologies, Joker.

 

[WolfCypher]

Wasn't everyone honest?

Look what you've started. Joker, I think you'll going to have to hand out honesty cookies as a reward to everyone.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well we have a few episodes to go yet, so it's a given things will pick up. Plus, it was said in the podcast that when Eddie Brock becomes Venom, it makes the connection between Parker and Brock that much more tragic.

Very true, I mean, 4 episodes is defenitley enough to show how Brock's hatred grows on Spdiey and things like that.

 

[AIRWOLF]

LOL! At least you're honest about that

Hey there, good to hear from you. Yes I'm not expecting too much. It doesn't hurts to imagine the possibilities now does it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hey there, good to hear from you. Yes I'm not expecting too much. It doesn't hurts to imagine the possibilities now does it.

It defenitley doesn't, AIRWOLF.

 

[AIRWOLF]

It defenitley doesn't, AIRWOLF.

Indeed

 

[russttrombone]

Most people want a long drawn out story of why Brock hates Spidey, and for it to seem believable, I just don't see them pulling that off.

This isn't directed at you Visionary, I'm just a former lurker who just joined and had the itch to post my rant t:

From what I've been reading on the boards it seems as though most people don't need a long drawn out story, are perfectly happy with one note/predictable characters (ex. "ock wasn't menacing enough/he should be more arrogant"; insisting that the Montana as Shocker thing sucked even though they can't say anything about Herman other than his name and the fact that he was a crook; Carnage - no need to elaborate) and misread subtlety and nuance for not being "enough" of some particular adjective.

Some people also fail to realize that in this show's continuity, this is the first time that many of these villains have been...supervillains. Like Spidey in SSM, they're obviously still learning how to wield their powers and do so with varying degrees of success. Is it any surprise that Tombstone, the guy who's been doing his schtick the longest has no problem bit¢h slapping Spidey, sending the cops after him, and comes out smelling like a rose?

I think a lot of people don't get that these villains are probably going to re-appear later on down the line and if Greg's Weisman's previous work is any indicator, the way they are presented leaves them room to grow and improve down the line (as real people would do) as opposed to blowing their proverbial wads right off the bat, making their next appearance...more of the same.

Real hate isn't something that develops overnight. Some seeds about Eddie's personality and relationship with Peter have been planted and there are still several episodes left before Venom even appears. On the podcast, Greg said that when he pitched the show, he had the whole first season laid out. Given his track record, I seriously doubt he'll screw up the last arc of the season.

Sure I could always be wrong, but I don't think so, and I'll be glued to my TV for the next few Saturdays to find out. t:

 

[Michael Frost]

The Venom in Spider-Man 3, despite lack of screen-time, worked pretty good, too.

Ill try not to derail the thread too much but, are you serious ? What about the hole "yo sandman lets teamup for lulz and beat spiderman because I so cant totally do it on my own dude" thing? Since when is that part of the Venom character ?
Not to even mention the sadistic humor of brock not even appearing in the movie.

 

[The Joker]

Oh I see, I simply took it the wrong way.

My apologies, Joker.

No need to apologise, mate.

Look what you've started. Joker, I think you'll going to have to hand out honesty cookies as a reward to everyone.

People want to be rewarded for being honest?

Hey there, good to hear from you. Yes I'm not expecting too much. It doesn't hurts to imagine the possibilities now does it.

Not at all. I just admire the fact that you admitted you'll be content with whatever they do with Venom. Not many people would admit to that.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Ill try not to derail the thread too much but, are you serious ? What about the hole "yo sandman lets teamup for lulz and beat spiderman because I so cant totally do it on my own dude" thing? Since when is that part of the Venom character ?
Not to even mention the sadistic humor of brock not even appearing in the movie.

To me personally it worked out, especially because of the fact that Venom was even in the movie. Before Spider-Man movies I didn't knew a single thing about any of the characters. After reading quiet a bit on them, I found Venom to be questionable to be a movie villain, just like Sandman, they were not people with too big a motives to have a big-screen adaption. Yes killing Spider-Man is a big motive, but they were not as big as Ock or Gobby. But they worked out well. I thoroughly enjoyed those 6 minutes of Venom. And as for Venom not having his sadistic humor, well there was that one line "Spdier-sense tingling". But just for the record neither did Spider-Man had his usual corny humor, most of the lines he threw weren't Spideyish. Raimi's version was pretty depressing.

Not at all. I just admire the fact that you admitted you'll be content with whatever they do with Venom. Not many people would admit to that.

Thank you. Well I'm sure many have learned to be content with what they have, since you can never truly be satisfied, there's always that feeling of wanting a bit more.

 

[Spiderine]

Ill try not to derail the thread too much but, are you serious ? What about the hole "yo sandman lets teamup for lulz and beat spiderman because I so cant totally do it on my own dude" thing? Since when is that part of the Venom character ?
Not to even mention the sadistic humor of brock not even appearing in the movie.

LOl

 

[Arcturus]

Ill try not to derail the thread too much but, are you serious ? What about the hole "yo sandman lets teamup for lulz and beat spiderman because I so cant totally do it on my own dude" thing? Since when is that part of the Venom character ?
Not to even mention the sadistic humor of brock not even appearing in the movie.

Yeah, I am serious.

I've already given my view on Venom in SM3.

Here

It makes absolutely no difference to me whether or not you agree with me.

 

[Michael Frost]

I do agree that the Bell Tower scene was the best in the movie. I remember seeing that scene before the movie got out (they showed some clips before the movie premiere) and I got really ansious because, judging from that scene, the movie was going to be great. Thats why I feel so bitter about the movie Venom: I was really expecting something awesome and got served with something average. Not to mention the movie as a hole being really crappy.

But let's get back ontopic, I think that the Brock will have alot more appearances as soon as we get in the symbiote saga. Right now we're dealing with the Goblin so it's natural that Norman/Harry and the rest of the peeps show alot more. I'm pretty sure that as soon as the symbiote saga kicks in we're getting alot more of Brock character development.

 

[Visionary]

Thats why I feel so bitter about the movie Venom: I was really expecting something awesome and got served with something average.

That's because Venom as a whole is average.

 

[Michael Frost]

That's because Venom as a whole is average.

Honestly I think Venom is that type of character that develops more in your head than he actually does in his stories. I always saw Eddie as a man that got his life completly ruined by Spiderman but if we look at it from the actual facts it wasnt exactly like that. I think the concept of pure hate as a motivation to kill a hero is just cool.
This is what makes him such an awesome nemesis for Spider-man: unlike the other common villains, he doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about using his powers for himself. All he cares for is to kill Spider-man and that's it, that's his only goal. Having an enemy like that is something really scary. He's not one that can be negociated with