What should GR's main power be in movie?

[Dr.Dude]

The chain should naturally be used the most, and it would have the biggest amount of possibilites---wrapping it around a target, throwing it, and so on. Though I'd like to see a good amount of hellfire in the movie too.

The penance stare should only be used at a few pivotal points in the movie, maybe only showing its full effects on the victim during the climatic scene or something, but hinting at what these effects of the stare are throughout the film.

 

[InVictus]

Apart from the chain, i hope to see Ghost's supernatural strenght, punching through walls, ripping apart cars, breaking many bones.

 

[FlameHead]

Oh yeah. Now you're talkin'!

 

[Caliber]

All of those options.

 

[FlameHead]

And you'll likely get that. MSJ has confirmed so already... of course, things do and will change.

 

[slimedy]

gotta have hellfire...and loads of it!!!!!

 

[FlameHead]

Oh welll have Hellfire, we'll have hellfire, we'll have lots and lots of hellfire... mainly because the dude is made entirely of it. Well, that and bone.

 

[redlion2]

The chains the most but definately the hellfire several times.

 

[1987olds442]

Since in the movie it's going to be the Zarathos/Blaze Ghost Rider his powers should be Hellfire Blasts from his hands like in the original comic. The Penance Stare and Chain are the Spirit of Vengence/Ketch Ghost Riders powers. But I would like to see the entire story arch of the Ghost Rider hopefully with a couple of sequels so we could see Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire blast shotgun riding with the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider.

 

[FlameHead]

I doubt we'll ever see Dan Ketch on screen... or 2 Ghost Riders for that matter. The story would become pretty confusing perhaps. You never know though, I guess. I mean, after the original story is told, there isn't a whole lot to do with Blaze... unless they invent some new stuff. A very good human story would be him finding out about another Ghost Rider after ridding himself of Zarathos only to find out that it's his long lost brother who now inhabits the demon. What better story could you go with?

I still don't want to see hand blasted hellfire shots though... but that's just me.

 

[InVictus]

I didn't like too the hellfire blasting hands, but it really depends on how they are going to portray it.
In the "Heart of darkness" mini GR90 toke off one glove to burn Blackheart, and when Vengeance goes mad in the later serie it has a very explosive kind of hellfire blast. I really liked when he incinerated some gangster by standing out the hand palm . Oh, that was also merit of Salvador Larroca pencils.

 

[GhostRider]

I didn't like too the hellfire blasting hands, but it really depends on how they are going to portray it.

To each their own,of course, but I don't get that. Whats not to like about it??
I understand it can be redundant and tedeous seeing various heros shoot energy blasts and what not from their hands, but with GR it actually makes sense he can do it. I mean he is made of the stuff, why not shoot it? That is one of the cool things about the Blaze GR, he had the power to shape about anything he wanted from hellfire. In one issue he made a wall of hellire, of course can make his bike, fireballs, thats about all I remember him making, but it was understood he could make other stuff if he so chose. I think perhaps some of you confuse seeing some human looking "hero" somehow being able to conjure massive power and shoot it out their hands(which I agree is stupid, more times than not) with GR's ability to do that with the hellfire he is freakin made of. Or maybe you simply prefer the penance stare, since you enjoy the Ketch GR more. I don't know, like I said, to each their own, but I loved the hellfire blasts bigtime and it will look coolashell in a movie.

 

[1987olds442]

To each their own,of course, but I don't get that. Whats not to like about it??
I understand it can be redundant and tedeous seeing various heros shoot energy blasts and what not from their hands, but with GR it actually makes sense he can do it. I mean he is made of the stuff, why not shoot it? That is one of the cool things about the Blaze GR, he had the power to shape about anything he wanted from hellfire. In one issue he made a wall of hellire, of course can make his bike, fireballs, thats about all I remember him making, but it was understood he could make other stuff if he so chose. I think perhaps some of you confuse seeing some human looking "hero" somehow being able to conjure massive power and shoot it out their hands(which I agree is stupid, more times than not) with GR's ability to do that with the hellfire he is freakin made of. Or maybe you simply prefer the penance stare, since you enjoy the Ketch GR more. I don't know, like I said, to each their own, but I loved the hellfire blasts bigtime and it will look coolashell in a movie.

Very well said

It would actually ruin the movie for a little if the Zarathos/Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider had Dan Ketch Ghost Rider's powers since they were two separate spirits altogether. And to clarify when I said earlier that I would like to see Blaze and the Ghost Rider eventually riding together I didn't mean as two Ghost Riders, but as Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire shotgun and the Spirit of Vengeance Ghost Rider.

 

[Retroman]

Chain and Hellfire blasts. Or combo of all his powers.

 

[Jester J]

Chain and Hellfire blasts. Or combo of all his powers.

word
combo seems the way they're going
gonna be wild stuff

 

[FlameHead]

If the hellfire blasts that come from his hand are not a continuous stream of fire, that would be alright by me. Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little...

Very well said

It would actually ruin the movie for a little if the Zarathos/Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider had Dan Ketch Ghost Rider's powers since they were two separate spirits altogether. And to clarify when I said earlier that I would like to see Blaze and the Ghost Rider eventually riding together I didn't mean as two Ghost Riders, but as Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire shotgun and the Spirit of Vengeance Ghost Rider.

I'm with you all the way on that one. I'd love to see the Spirits of Vengeance ride together; one flamey headed spirit and a gunsliger with a hellfire shotgun.

Seeing a combination of characters in the movie is good for me though. At least we'll see a little bit of Dan's spirit that way.

 

[Fettstyl]

Very well said

It would actually ruin the movie for a little if the Zarathos/Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider had Dan Ketch Ghost Rider's powers since they were two separate spirits altogether. And to clarify when I said earlier that I would like to see Blaze and the Ghost Rider eventually riding together I didn't mean as two Ghost Riders, but as Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire shotgun and the Spirit of Vengeance Ghost Rider.

I agree too, well said GhostRider.
And thats a good cover pic, Spirits of Vengeance was about my favorite thing from the Ketch era. I had some problems with the premise, but they were good solid stories.

 

[Fettstyl]

Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little...

That would indeed be awesome

 

[hellfiremaster]

If the hellfire blasts that come from his hand are not a continuous stream of fire, that would be alright by me. Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little.../QUOTE]

FH,
Here is the problem I have with that. Almost every Marvel hero shoots something from his or her hands. Spiderman and his webs, the human torch already uses fire, all the freaks with "power bursts" its over done, way over done. This needs to be more personal and dark.. the stare is everything you need, and would be the most terrifying. Imagine that up to the moment stare, he grabs someone pulls him face to face.. slowly.. you know its coming, but the anticipation to that point, scary music, then the fire, the pain, the scream of his victim. C'mon tell me thats not the nuts.
The chain, especially the breakaway chain, is a must. He needs hand to hand, alot of it. Using his chain, in such a way to disarm and hog tie escapees.
Maybe as a once or twice gimmick he can fling a flame ball, but really I don't think I would be dissapointed if he didn't.
When he takes off on his bike, a sonic boom must be there. Pavement and cement must buckle, when he hits the accelerator, pavement must be flung and dug up. In fact there should be "the scream of tormented souls" instead of a loud vroom.. you need to know death is coming. The Blaze GR was nice for his time, but GR is dark, very dark.

HM

 

[Zrthsgr]

The chain and penance stare are cool, but I voted hellfire because I think the Hellfire blasts are what is going to be the most amazing looking part of the movie during the fight scenes.

 

[FlameHead]

If the hellfire blasts that come from his hand are not a continuous stream of fire, that would be alright by me. Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little.../QUOTE]

FH,
Here is the problem I have with that. Almost every Marvel hero shoots something from his or her hands. Spiderman and his webs, the human torch already uses fire, all the freaks with "power bursts" its over done, way over done. This needs to be more personal and dark.. the stare is everything you need, and would be the most terrifying. Imagine that up to the moment stare, he grabs someone pulls him face to face.. slowly.. you know its coming, but the anticipation to that point, scary music, then the fire, the pain, the scream of his victim. C'mon tell me thats not the nuts.
The chain, especially the breakaway chain, is a must. He needs hand to hand, alot of it. Using his chain, in such a way to disarm and hog tie escapees.
Maybe as a once or twice gimmick he can fling a flame ball, but really I don't think I would be dissapointed if he didn't.
When he takes off on his bike, a sonic boom must be there. Pavement and cement must buckle, when he hits the accelerator, pavement must be flung and dug up. In fact there should be "the scream of tormented souls" instead of a loud vroom.. you need to know death is coming. The Blaze GR was nice for his time, but GR is dark, very dark.

HM

I'm with you 100% on that one Hellfire. Always have been. I don't like the hellfire blasts at all and have never really liked anythign flying out of superhero/mutants hands. What I meant was that if they are gonna have anything fly out of Ghost Rider's hands, I would want it to be Fireballs and not streams of hellfire.

I want the Chain. I want the Pennance Stare. Ahh, who am I kidding... I want it all.

 

[GhostRider]

Thanks to those who voiced agreement with me. To those who didn't, I understand and agree with what your saying about it being overused with other heros, but I believe my previous post addressed that fairly well in regards to ghost rider. It is different with ghost rider.

 

[FlameHead]

It is differnet w/ ghost rider because he is made entirely of the stuff that he can shoot, I agree. I do like the wall of Hellfire that you mentioned in your last post as well. Maybe if he was able to control fire around him, that would be interesting.

 

[InVictus]

I agree. Some sort of a elemental or pyrokinetic control would be very cool, shooting stuff from hands could be too "cartonish".
But it always depends how it is portrayed, and the scenario.
As example, some years ago i found myself working on different ways GR coul use or create chain.
There was this idea of the blazing medallion mark in the palm of the gloves that could be used as a portal, from witch endless chain , or hellfire weapons could be created out of, or be used as to "mark" the sinners quite like Lobster Johnson in HellBoy.
I though also the chain as part of GR body, inside the clothes, acting as tendons and muscles, an infinite red hot chain engulfed in hellfire, a way to explain GR "mechanical" golem-like way of moving its body, like a being only forced to move in a humanoid shell.
I developed this idea to follow up the engine style heart of GR/Noble Kale...

 

[FlameHead]

I really like the idea of having the medallion symbol as a portal... and as a branding tool. That's just awesome! It'll give the endless chain some more believability. Beisdes, seeing GR brand somebody as a sinner would be neato.

I'm not such a big fan of having the chain be his tendons and such though. Mainly becuase of the fact that his definition comes from Hellfire and nothing more. Just bone and hellfire and I've always like that about him.