The Avengers What villain do you want in the Avengers movie?

[scatterax]

i posted this in another thread.

ryt now my idea for this movie is in the begining, shield send iron man & cap after the hulk. they either capture him, or he escapes. doesn't matter. they realize deep down inside there's a human in there, or maybe that the hulk doesn't really want to heart any1 unless they hurt him 1st. or both, so iron man & cap question whether or not he should really be hunted down, and if he's an enemy because he's dangerous, or because they made him an enemy. (iron man can use hulk buster armor in the fight.)

meanwhile, Dr hank pym is constructing the ultimate robot. maybe going to justin hammer for funding. (@ this point he can already shrink in size.)
but loki turns the machine, ultron, into a monster that wants to destroy all man kind. so he thor is sent to earth to try and stop them both, but is out matched by the combination of of loki's magic, and ultrons power & technology. he eventually realizes he needs the help of earths heroes to beet them.

shield captures hank pym and justin hammer (separately) for questioning. when they realize they aren't to blame, they let hammer go, but keep hank pym to help iron man and thor come devise a way to stop the threat of ultron. and he convinces them to let his girlfriend (the wasp) help the team. but they don't know about loki until thor finds them, and tells them about him, and how he's the reason ultron goes insane.

while the avengers get ready to confront, and attempt to destroy ultron, he and loki make a smal army of robots w/ magical powers that they will use to exterminate man kind.

the avengers track them down and start fighting them b4 they can complete their army, but they unleash the robot soldiers that are ready and begin an all out battle. (by now, hank pym has given himself the power to grow, so that he can be strong enough to fight. and iron man has given the wasp a set of mechanical wings, and some weapons so she can join in the fight.)

the bad guys are starting to gain the upper hand, until captain america contacts nick fury by radio, and convinces him to free the hulk so that he can help them win the fight.

it's revealed that since ultrons armor is indistructible (because it's made from the same material as caps sheild) that the plain to defeat him is for ant man/ hank pym to shrink to become small enough to go inside ultron, and bring w/ him either a bomb or an EMP destroy him from the inside.

the rest of the avengers destroy the robot army (i guess there would only be like 7 that where completed and ready for battle, loki and ultron didn't have enough time to complete they're army), and thor (w/ the help of cap, or some other avenger) defeat loki, and bring him to odin, so he can deside how to punish him. (unless you thor fans have a better way to deal w/ him)

um.. i guess that's pretty much it. it's really just a combination of some rough ideas, but what do u guy's think of that idea for the movie?
and does it need more hulk?

edit, after the last bettle in the movie, the heroes decide to stick together to be like a special mission team. codenamed the avengers. for obvious reasons.
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...the post is kinda sloppy, but i think if the story went in a similar direction, it could be awesome.

 

[Sawyer]

I'd love to see both Ultron and the Masters of Evil set up for a future sequel.

 

[The IronMan]

Ultron

 

[hpwiz89]

Hulk

 

[Artistsean]

The reason Hulk, manipulated by Loki, would work is because both characters wouldn't need much (if any) introduction in the movie.
Everyone knows who Hulk is, he has already had two movies,
and after the Thor movie everyone will know who Loki is.

If you use a different bad guy(s) for the movie you have to take the time in the movie to introduce them and establish their characters.
Hulk and Loki, it will have already been established.



Later on, for like the 2nd or 3rd, Ultron can be the bad guy.
I'd also love to see Kang as on of the bad guys,
and Baron Zemo and his Master of Evil in one as well.

But that would be four movies right there.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Hulk and Loki were the original villains... but they can not sustain the threat for a 2 hour 30 minute picture. You need a bigger player like Skull, HYDRA, Von Strucker, etc.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Technically speaking, Loki is a bigger player than Skull, HYDRA, Von Strucker, etc. But I get where you're coming from.

 

[scatterax]

The reason Hulk, manipulated by Loki, would work is because both characters wouldn't need much (if any) introduction in the movie.
Everyone knows who Hulk is, he has already had two movies,
and after the Thor movie everyone will know who Loki is.

If you use a different bad guy(s) for the movie you have to take the time in the movie to introduce them and establish their characters.
Hulk and Loki, it will have already been established.



Later on, for like the 2nd or 3rd, Ultron can be the bad guy.
I'd also love to see Kang as on of the bad guys,
and Baron Zemo and his Master of Evil in one as well.

But that would be four movies right there.

i like that idea. but i think it needs more ultron. ultron is the new cowbell, and i got that ultron fever!

 

[Lobo]

Ultron needs to be the villain for Avengers 2.

 

[Artistsean]

Ultron MUST be in an Avengers movie, but he would work better in part 2 or 3. He is the personification of Hank Pym's dark side. His mental instability, his angers, hatered of his own team and of himself. Its too good of a character and story to not use. I LOVE Ultron as a main villain in an Avengers movie, just not in the first one.
Also, more Avengers films gives the movies more time to establish Hank Pym's character leading up to Ultron.



Loki and Hulk as villains in the first film would work perfectly, and sustain a 2hour movie.

Because first off you have to establish the team getting together and their minor intros. First you establish the threat,
-Intro, showing all the characters, including Loki. Also including intros for any characters no established in films yet, like Ant Man or Wasp.
-Loki manipulating Hulk into destroying things, making Hulk look like a massive threat.
-SHIELD calls in the heroes from their individual spots, bringing the Avengers initiative into action.
-the Avengers find the Hulk and they fight, Hulk mostly winning the whole time, then eventually gets away at the end of the first half of the movie.
-The Avengers return to SHIELD to regroup.
-More loki manipulation.
-Avengers sent back in to fight the Hulk again.
-Eventually it is revealed that the Hulk isn't to blame. Possibly revealed by Thor.
-Loki makes his appearence, and finally fights the team himself. All the Avengers, and Hulk, fight Loki.
-End of movie, Loki defeated, Avengers established. Move on to the next movie.

The first movies are usually overloaded with explanations about the characters, their powers, their history, their origins, and so on.
Using Hulk and Loki, who are established in earlier films would cut down on that and allow more story and more action.

 

[MadVillainy]

Hulk for reluctant villain for part of the movie
HYDRA as final and main villain

 

[Mutagen]

Ultron needs to be the villain for Avengers 2.

As part of a team of villains imo, I think he could be put to good use as Ant-man's baddie in his movie. I mean Ant-man's rogues aren't very diverse, popular or interesting...

 

[Artistsean]

Ultron, to me, is so interesting that he needs his own movie against the Avengers.
But what about him creating the Vision?

If he makes the Vision in the same movie he is the bad guy in, maybe his only movie, then he needs to have the spot light to himself to establish his character and story, and then to establish Vision as well.

 

[protocida]

I like the idea of Loki creating the Wrecking Crew to fight the Avengers, but they'd have to REALLY badass. t:

 

[Iron_Stark]

Ultron MUST be in an Avengers movie, but he would work better in part 2 or 3. He is the personification of Hank Pym's dark side. His mental instability, his angers, hatered of his own team and of himself. Its too good of a character and story to not use. I LOVE Ultron as a main villain in an Avengers movie, just not in the first one.
Also, more Avengers films gives the movies more time to establish Hank Pym's character leading up to Ultron.



Loki and Hulk as villains in the first film would work perfectly, and sustain a 2hour movie.

Because first off you have to establish the team getting together and their minor intros. First you establish the threat,
-Intro, showing all the characters, including Loki. Also including intros for any characters no established in films yet, like Ant Man or Wasp.
-Loki manipulating Hulk into destroying things, making Hulk look like a massive threat.
-SHIELD calls in the heroes from their individual spots, bringing the Avengers initiative into action.
-the Avengers find the Hulk and they fight, Hulk mostly winning the whole time, then eventually gets away at the end of the first half of the movie.
-The Avengers return to SHIELD to regroup.
-More loki manipulation.
-Avengers sent back in to fight the Hulk again.
-Eventually it is revealed that the Hulk isn't to blame. Possibly revealed by Thor.
-Loki makes his appearence, and finally fights the team himself. All the Avengers, and Hulk, fight Loki.
-End of movie, Loki defeated, Avengers established. Move on to the next movie.

The first movies are usually overloaded with explanations about the characters, their powers, their history, their origins, and so on.
Using Hulk and Loki, who are established in earlier films would cut down on that and allow more story and more action.

Sorry, but no. Hulk fighting the team in the first act, sure, but a villain throughout, no. Besides Fiege said Hulk was going to be part of the team.

And like in the comics, Thor alone can hold his own with the Hulk, and I'm pretty sure he alone defeats Loki in his own movie. Where's the suspense in watching Loki as the main villain again?

These are the Avengers, "formed to fight foes no single hero could withstand."

The threat needs to be huge, global. I know people hate the idea but there needs to be an invasion by someone or something, or the Masters of Evil; Red Skull, Loki, Abomination or the Leader and Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I really don't know. Do I want a team of villains or one super mega-menace that no lone hero can take? I am truly undecided here.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I am for the global threat that requires tactics and strategy, as well as muscle, to defeat

 

[Artistsean]

I just sort of want to try and plead my case, why I think Loki and the Hulk would work as the first villains in the first Avengers film.

Its also an introduction movie, like X-men 1 or Spider-Man 1,
they have to introduce the whole concept, and any characters not already introduced in other movies, and characters like Iron Man that have been (to establish why they are in the movie).
So bad guys who have already been introduced would work too, since the audiance would already know them.
Plus at the end of Iron Man [BLACKOUT]Nick talks to Iron Man about the Avengers[/BLACKOUT] and at the end of the Hulk [BLACKOUT]Tony talks to Ross about taking care of the Hulk problem.[/BLACKOUT]
So they have sort of already established that the Avengers will go after the Hulk, so maybe to make that idea more interesting use Loki (already established in Thor 1) as a master manipulator who manipulates the whole situation, not just the Hulk, in an effort to strike at Thor once again.
Hulk is considered a natural disaster of sorts, like a giant Earthquake or wild fire, or Godzilla. So I think its reasonable to think the Avengers would be called in to stop him. Like they were in the first Avengers comic, or in the Ultimates when Hulk terrorized all of New York and killed 100s of people.
Of coarse this Hulk isn't as dark or as evil as the Ultimate Hulk, but he could be manipulated to destroy and terrorize.

There has to be room to introduce all the Avengers, as much as they need since some need less having already been shown in their own movies, and establish their relationships, the whole concept of the team, and the plot of the 1st film.
In my opinion, introducing characters like the Maters of Evil or Ultron in the first film might be too much. You'd have to explain who each character is, their origin stories, their relationships and powers.

Plus the Hulk is such a powerful character that Thor might even need help. Even in the 1st Avengers comic the whole team fought the Hulk, they were called in the stop him because Loki made him look like a giant threat to the entire world.

This is just all my opinion, and my ideas, I thought it would be a bad idea to introduce Iron Monger in the 1st Iron Man film, or introduce Abomination in the Hulk movie, since they are both so similar to their hero they fight, I thought it might confuse non-comic readers.
But they did well. So maybe I am wrong. and I am sure whoever they use as the bad guy(s) in the first Avengers film will be great. And I wont complain.
I just think trying to introduce too much might force the film to have too much exposition.

Plus, if half way through the movie or maybe near the end Hulk can join the Avengers to fight Loki. Hulk could be angry that Loki used him.

Hulk, used by Loki, versus the Avengers would be a simple story with characters that have already been established leaving room for more story and action. Thats all I am saying.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Technically speaking, Loki is a bigger player than Skull, HYDRA, Von Strucker, etc. But I get where you're coming from.

I meant more of a background player... Loki may be that background player and not the other way around for that matter.

 

[alexlachiusa]

I'd like to see The Hulk as a problem in the movie that acts as the first time the team gets together to combat a problem.

I'd like the overall villain to be Loki and have a similar situation that we saw in Ultimates 2

 

[Rich Santoro]

Artistsean - I see where you are coming from regarding the notion of not having to develop a new set of characters for the villains. We would need time to develop the non-solo-movie Avengers, plus work on the story regarding the team coming together.

With this thinking, I do like the idea of using an established villain, but Skull instead. I really like the idea of him having a private army, going after Washington DC, or some major weapon, or even developing the cosmic cube with AIM.

With all the contemporary concern around the government's use of para-military-contractors, there can be some good hooks for the story. I even imagine Cole Hauser as Crossbones, being out of costume and posing as a liason to the Pentagon... making deals, schmoozing congressmen, and getting contracts for Skull's private army... allowing them to create an opportunity to strike. They get authorization to set up a training facility near DC, or some other target (maybe NORAD) and get a strategic drop on the target. Then it is on, with an army of teched up mercenaries, lead by Crossbones... with Skull pulling the strings. The volume of bad-guys and the energy weapons (a carry over from IM2, with stuff that Justin Hammer produces... or just new age AIM technology), plus high-value hostages (perhaps the president, played by Jimmy Smits... a latino president would be an interesting twist), and being entrenched in a base of some sort (like NORAD) calls for an amped up team like the Avengers.

 

[protocida]

Kevin Feige, CEO of Marvel Studios, said Tom Hiddlestom has contracts for "multiple franchises".

Loki in The Avengers?

 

[Chris Wallace]

But isn't Loki gonna be the villain in Thor? SHould he be in the spotlight twice in a row like that?

 

[Rich Santoro]

I personally don't think that he should. Unless he is there and we don't really know it... as in, pulling strings, since a heads up confrontation with Thor he loses. Then there can be a reveal late in the film.

 

[Artistsean]

I like the idea of him being in multiple franchises, one right after the other.

It makes both movies seem like they are in the same universe.
Plus it makes sense. Thor defeats Loki in his solo film. His plot against Thor might accidentally bring together the Avengers, like the comic did.
I like it and I hope they do it.