Which actors do you think should be the next James Bond?

[David H.]

Hoult in maybe 5 years could possibly do it. They didn't cast Henry Cavill for Casino Royale because he was ultimately too young for the part, despite liking him very much. I don't think they'd get anyone in their 20s.

I guess I have different idea of what Bond should look like. I look at Hoult and wonder why he isn't playing Peter Pan.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I guess I have different idea of what Bond should look like. I look at Hoult and wonder why he isn't playing Peter Pan.

Eh he wouldn't be my first choice, but I don't expect him to look that way forever. 8 years time when he's roughly the appropriate age, he might be a bit more weathered.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

You're fine with blacks as long as they are not the big roles. Gotcha.

What a ridiculous and absurd thing to say, stupidity really is the new cool.
To make it about racism the wanting for a character to remain true to himself, is the most moronic thing i have ever heard.

It looks like Trump was right all along with his alt-facts, since, it seem that there is no truth anymore, everything is a symbol and up for grabs.

Why not make Superman asian? Why not make Batman black? Why not make Captain America latin (that would make Trump cry in a corner)? Why not make Black Panther or Luke Cage white?

I'm all for a "black Bond" as long it's not really James Bond, but more of an alias.
The best would be to introduce a new character, a new "00", either black/asian/woman/whatever and make a spin-off after that.

 

[Rowsdower!]

That's a lousy reply.
It makes it sound that my post was racist, which had nothing to do with it, and it's quite weird and sad that people see it that way.
In fact, by turning Bond black, makes it more about race than anything else, and THAT'S much more racist that whatever i can say.

Like i said before, i'm more than fine with Moneypenny being black, since she, even being a iconic character, was never a big role.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

To change the race of a known character makes it about race more than about the character.
He becomes the "black James Bond", instead of just James Bond.
Anyone with half a brain can see that.
Why?
Because everyone knows that James Bond is white, he always has been, he was created as such.

People that think that anyone will just look beyond the color of his skin, not even notice that, just look at the character for what it is, and that people will come out of the theater saying "he was black?!?!?", are just insane.
This is not a racist thing, this is a LOGIC thing.


About the gif, give me the context, because i'm positive that doesn't even applies to what i said.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

What a ridiculous and absurd thing to say, stupidity really is the new cool.
To make it about racism the wanting for a character to remain true to himself, is the most moronic thing i have ever heard.

It looks like Trump was right all along with his alt-facts, since, it seem that there is no truth anymore, everything is a symbol and up for grabs.

Why not make Superman asian? Why not make Batman black? Why not make Captain America latin (that would make Trump cry in a corner)? Why not make Black Panther or Luke Cage white?

I'm all for a "black Bond" as long it's not really James Bond, but more to an alias.
The best would be to introduce a new character, a new "00", either black/asian/woman/whatever and make a spin-off after that.

You should read your last paragraph. It's exactly what you said. Nothing ridiculous about it at all.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

You should read your last paragraph. It's exactly what you said. Nothing ridiculous about it at all.

?!?!?

I don't get it

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Like i said before, i'm more than fine with Moneypenny being black, since she, even being a iconic character, was never a big role.

You are fine with Money Penny being black because she isn't a big role. Implying that if it was, being black would be a problem for you. Blacks should be in their place.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

James Bond is a character. It is his name. Not an alias. People want to go to the movies to see James Bond. Not some fraud calling himself that.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

You are fine with Money Penny being black because she isn't a big role. Implying that if it was, being black would be a problem for you. Blacks should be in their place.

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?

"Blacks should be in their place."
You took that from what i said about characters? WTF is wrong with you?!?
I didn't implied anything, and the fact that you think i did, say a lot more about you than about me.
"Blacks should be in their place." is the most ridiculous, absurd, pathetic, moronic, stupid, grotesque...thing i have ever read.

Moneypenny's small role is about the fact that she is seen as M's secretary that Bond flirts with.
That's it.
Her race is unimportant to the character.
The same applies to M, which was played by Judi Dench, and not male like in the original.
But, even so, they played it perfectly by making Craig's Bond set before Connery, which made Dench's M be the predecessor to the male from the original.
This way they could have the character be a woman and be true to the original.

It wasn't needed since M is just Bond's boss, race or gender are unimportant to the character.
They can even go to the point of, in the future, have M be asian or black or anything else...by replacing the actual one.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

James Bond is a character. It is his name. Not an alias. People want to go to the movies to see James Bond. Not some fraud calling himself that.

Of course people don't want that.

I just gave that as an idea to have the "black Bond" that some seem to want.
It would be lousy, but that would be only way to have Bond be black and not ruin the continuity; to have James Bond being replaced by a black guy that keeps the name and the number.

But yes, it would be stupid.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?

"Blacks should be in their place."
You took that from what i said about characters? WTF is wrong with you?!?
I didn't implied anything, and the fact that you think i did, say a lot more about you than about me.
"Blacks should be in their place." is the most ridiculous, absurd, pathetic, moronic, stupid, grotesque...thing i have ever read.

Moneypenny's small role is about the fact that she is seen as M's secretary that Bond flirts with.
That's it.
Her race is unimportant to the character.
The same applies to M, which was played by Judi Dench, and not male like in the original.
But, even so, they played it perfectly by making Craig's Bond set before Connery, which made Dench's M be the predecessor to the male from the original.
This way they could have the character be a woman and be true to the original.

It wasn't needed since M is just Bond's boss, race or gender are unimportant to the character.
They can even go to the point of, in the future, have M be asian or black or anything else...by replacing the actual one.

Abusing every adjective you know doesn't erase what you said. I'm sorry you are so adept at coming across as having questionable racial preferences even if you think you don't.

 

[Chesterfield]

Is James Bond's skin colour essential to his character?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Abusing every adjective you know doesn't erase what you said. I'm sorry you are so adept at coming across as having questionable racial preferences even if you think you don't.

No, abusing every adjective is to show how moronic you sounded.
Ever heard of hyperbole?

And the fact that you take a discussion about a character into the realm of real life race issues doesn't make you a very smart individual.
And the fact that you think you know what the hell you are talking about, that i'm racist and whatnot is laughable.
Like i said, it speaks a lot more about you than about me.

Besides, ever heard of the Ad hominem fallacy?

> Ad hominem: attacking the arguer instead of the argument

Never once you said why i'm wrong, you just claim that i'm going at it based on race issues.
Ridiculous...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Is James Bond's skin colour essential to his character?

I used to think not until I learned more about the character, but yes. He represents early 20th century white British colonialism. He comes from old money and is a part of the old order. Even in the 50s and 60s he was a relic.

In this particular case it would indeed be like taking a character that represents black power like a Luke Cage and turning him white.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Is James Bond's skin colour essential to his character?

Of course not, physical aspect has always been something superfluous....just like gender, nationality, sexual orientation.....

(?) Bond, a secret agent

That's all it needs.

As a matter of fact, why not make him a human/animal hybrid, the perfect secret agent, with rockets coming out his butt and laser beams from his eyes?
And to appease SJW everywhere, the animal part is from a black mamba, this way he can add venom to his secret agent powers.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

No, abusing every adjective is to show how moronic you sounded.
Ever heard of hyperbole?

And the fact that you take a discussion about a character into the realm of real life race issues doesn't make you a very smart individual.
And the fact that you think you know what the hell you are talking about, that i'm racist and whatnot is laughable.
Like i said, it speaks a lot more about you than about me.

Besides, ever heard of the Ad hominem fallacy?

> Ad hominem: attacking the arguer instead of the argument

Never once you said why i'm wrong, you just claim that i'm going at it based on race issues.
Ridiculous...

Besides, ever heard of the Ad hominem fallacy?

Yeah. Your entire series of replies to me is filled to the brim with it. Have you ever heard of hypocrisy?

None of this changes the fact that you think if a rule is too big it shouldn't be played by a black person. Own it. Attacking me will not change that.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Yeah. Your entire series of replies to me is filled to the brim with it. Have you ever heard of hypocrisy?

None of this changes the fact that you think if a rule is too big it shouldn't be played by a black person. Own it. Attacking me will not change that.

Is this really happening? Am i being punk'd?
Can you even read? Or think at the same time, for that matter?

How am i using Ad hominem?
You do understand that it only applies when you DON'T defend your point of view, right?
In all my posts i gave reasons why turning Bond into anything than a white male is dumb?
How the hell is this hypocrisy?
Where are your reasons?
All you keep spitting is that "i'm racist".

I never said a role is too big to be played by a black person, i don't even know how the **** you arrived to the conclusion, except that....you're dumb.
And yes, i'm attacking you at this point since i already explained myself ad nauseam.

But please, give me your point of view that is not "you're racist".

 

[Bruce Malone]

Is James Bond's skin colour essential to his character?

Less so than The Ancient One in Dr.Strange that's for sure.

Bond is a born and bred Brit and in a modern context i.e not the 50's and 60's that doesn't necessarily mean someone white.

 

[David H.]

Isn't it about time we separate book Bond from movie Bond?

The novels will be there, written as they were in the 50s and 60s. The movies will continue in a different way, reflecting the times in which they are made.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Less so than The Ancient One in Dr.Strange that's for sure.

Bond is a born and bred Brit and in a modern context i.e not the 50's and 60's that doesn't necessarily mean someone white.

Take your last sentence and apply it to Superman, Batman, Captain America, Black Panther, Storm, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Daredevil, Spider-Man...basically, anyone.
It seems that this is the new rule, anything goes...

BTW, when i talk about superheroes, i'm talking about the original ones, not someone that put on the mask and it's the new version of.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Isn't it about time we separate book Bond from movie Bond?

The novels will be there, written as they were in the 50s and 60s. The movies will continue in a different way, reflecting the times in which they are made.

Does that mean straight white males have been erased from this planet...i don't get it?
In what way does race, gender or sexual orientation have anything to do with The Times?

 

[Bruce Malone]

Take your last sentence and apply it to Superman, Batman, Captain America, Black Panther, Storm, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Daredevil, Spider-Man...basically, anyone.
It seems that this is the new rule, anything goes...

BTW, when i talk about superheroes, i'm talking about the original ones, not someone that put on the mask and it's the new version of.

Based on most of your examples possibly yes. Making a 5'3" hairy runt into a 6'2" statuesque man was probably a bigger difference than if they made him simply non-caucasian.

Black Panther and Luke Cage certainly are defined by race in a way Bond at least in film has not been.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Based on most of your examples possibly yes. Making a 5'3" hairy runt into a 6'2" statuesque man was probably a bigger difference than if they made him simply non-caucasian.

Black Panther and Luke Cage certainly are defined by race in a way Bond at least in film has not been.

Well, i don't see that way and never will.

For me an important white character should stay white, a black one should stay black, an asian should stay asian, a woman should stay a woman....and so on.

There are exceptions, but they are rare and far between and they need to have a really good reason for the change that is not just "because it's cool".

Besides, at the time, i couldn't care less....but i understand that it might not be easy to find a 5'3'' actor to play the role.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Said it in other Bond related threads, my preference would be for one last Craig film then Dan Stevens to get the role. Watch 'The Guest' for every reason why it should happen.