Which actors do you think should be the next James Bond?

[TheVileOne]

I want Daniel Craig to stay as Bond as long as he wants.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I want Daniel Craig to stay as Bond as long as he wants.

That's probably not too long.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm fairly confident that he's back for Bond 25, maaaaaaybe Bond 26 but far less likely. After that, with their new release schedule I think they'll probably get a new actor.

 

[DKDetective]

Less so than The Ancient One in Dr.Strange that's for sure.

Bond is a born and bred Brit and in a modern context i.e not the 50's and 60's that doesn't necessarily mean someone white.

That is not true at all. The sort of snobbery, conservatism, and old money status that Bond possesses in both literary and cinematic portrayals is indicative of generations worth of privilege and status, which is not consistent with coming from a minority racial background, even in 2016 Britain. It takes a lot of revisionist history to make those attitudes and upbringing consistent with a non-white racial background. It is also not consistent with Bond being descended from Sir Thomas Bond (as established in OHMSS) or Skyfall Manor being the Bond family's ancestral home.

 

[Vaibow]

That is not true at all. The sort of snobbery, conservatism, and old money status that Bond possesses in both literary and cinematic portrayals is indicative of generations worth of privilege and status, which is not consistent with coming from a minority racial background, even in 2016 Britain. It takes a lot of revisionist history to make those attitudes and upbringing consistent with a non-white racial background. It is also not consistent with Bond being descended from Sir Thomas Bond (as established in OHMSS) or Skyfall Manor being the Bond family's ancestral home.

His father could be old money - but his mother could have been anyone his father met and married in the 70's/80's.

It's not too hard a stretch that Bond could have a mother from any other nation or skin colour.

Heck, wasn't his mother swiss or similar?

But, this doesn't mean i am pro non white. I feel a non white bond is for political/social pandering - way too much hype around it for the wrong reasons.

I'd rather they just get a damn good actor and focus on the man - build a universe around him that is diverse.

However, i could see Elba giving it a decent go.

 

[Roose Bolton]

At 44 you'd probably get one film out of Elba in their current set up, and I think going forward EON doesn't want another George Lazenby or Timothy Dalton style runs. Whoever they get next, he's going to Bond for at least 5 or 6 films going forward.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think people are getting the black Bond thing twisted. 99% of people who want to see Elba specifically, as Bond want to see him as Bond because he's Idris Elba not because he's black.

I think age is the only think holding him back too. If Craig had decided to leave after Skyfall for whatever reason I think they might have gone for Idris but now it's probably too late in the game.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I think age is the only think holding him back too.

No, it isn't.
The biggest reason is from a business perspective.
It they go with Elba, they have 90% of chances of having a failure on their hands and killing James Bond altogether.

Contrary to what some people might believe, it's a huge minority that wants Elba to be Bond.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I think people are getting the black Bond thing twisted. 99% of people who want to see Elba specifically, as Bond want to see him as Bond because he's Idris Elba not because he's black.

I think age is the only think holding him back too. If Craig had decided to leave after Skyfall for whatever reason I think they might have gone for Idris but now it's probably too late in the game.

 

[Web-Head]

Even Elba himself said he's too old now.

 

[David H.]

Elba was never going to happen. Like Clive Owen before Craig or Tom Hardy or Michael Fassbender now.

I don't, however, think Elba would "kill" Bond altogether.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

99% of people who want to see Elba specifically, as Bond want to see him as Bond because he's Idris Elba not because he's black.

And i believe that, but the fact that he is black is not something people can run away from.

The sentence "i don't see colors" is a metaphor to not make judgements based on skin color and that we are all brothers - i believe in that at 200%; but that doesn't actually one doesn't see skin color...unless the person is blind.

Skin color is a fact of the world, as such, you can't change white to black, the same way you can't change black to white.
The moment you do, without a really good reason for it, it becomes about race and not about the character, which is wrong on so many levels.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm not so sure Hardy won't happen.
Do I think it's unlikely? Yes, but I won't rule it out all together.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Is this really happening? Am i being punk'd?
Can you even read? Or think at the same time, for that matter?

It's entertaining seeing you being an immeasurable c***. And then having the gall to call me out on using ad hominem. **** you.

How am i using Ad hominem?

Is this really happening? Am I being punk'd? Or are so self absorbed as not to see that I was being entirely respectful towards you while you attacked me incessantly from the very outset.

You do understand that it only applies when you DON'T defend your point of view, right?
In all my posts i gave reasons why turning Bond into anything than a white male is dumb?
How the hell is this hypocrisy?
Where are your reasons?
All you keep spitting is that "i'm racist".

I already explained my POV. I can't do anything beyond that if you decide to pretend it doesn't exist and call me names instead.

I never said a role is too big to be played by a black person, i don't even know how the **** you arrived to the conclusion, except that....you're dumb.
And yes, i'm attacking you at this point since i already explained myself ad nauseam.

So you didn't type the post I quoted?

But please, give me your point of view that is not "you're racist".

You're insane. I never, ever said you're racist. You keep imagining that for some ludicrous reason. Hose the goddamn chip from your shoulders and read correctly.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I have no idea what is going on here....except that you are extremely intellectually dishonest.

It's entertaining seeing you being an immeasurable c***. And then having the gall to call me out on using ad hominem. **** you.


Is this really happening? Am I being punk'd? Or are so self absorbed as not to see that I was being entirely respectful towards you while you attacked me incessantly from the very outset.

I'm going to try to explain once again what ad hominem means....

ad hominem - attacking the arguer instead of the argument

Notice the INSTEAD OF?
Great!
So, in other words, by attacking you AND attacking the argument doesn't make me using ad hominem, now does it?
You can call me whatever you want, from disrespectful to a c**t, but you can't call me something i didn't do.
I would if i only attacked you and nothing else, which is not what happened...see the logic?

GREAT!!

I already explained my POV. I can't do anything beyond that if you decide to pretend it doesn't exist and call me names instead.

You did?
Great!
Let's try to find it, shall we?

Here's your first reply to me:

You're fine with blacks as long as they are not the big roles. Gotcha.

Where is your point??!?!?!?
Nowhere, that's where

Now, let's look at your second reply:

You should read your last paragraph. It's exactly what you said. Nothing ridiculous about it at all.

No....not here as well.....weird

Third:

You are fine with Money Penny being black because she isn't a big role. Implying that if it was, being black would be a problem for you. Blacks should be in their place.

Now now, this is getting twilight zone worthy...

Fourth:

Abusing every adjective you know doesn't erase what you said. I'm sorry you are so adept at coming across as having questionable racial preferences even if you think you don't.

tsk....tsk....tsk

Fifth and final:

Yeah. Your entire series of replies to me is filled to the brim with it. Have you ever heard of hypocrisy?

None of this changes the fact that you think if a rule is too big it shouldn't be played by a black person. Own it. Attacking me will not change that.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Soooooooooo...?!?!?!?
Where is your point of view again?

You're insane. I never, ever said you're racist.

No?!?!?!?!?
How weird of me?!?!?!?

Let's look at your posts again, shall we?

> You're fine with blacks as long as they are not the big roles. Gotcha.
> You are fine with Money Penny being black because she isn't a big role. Implying that if it was, being black would be a problem for you.
> Blacks should be in their place.
> None of this changes the fact that you think if a rule is too big it shouldn't be played by a black person.
> Own it.

But yeah, you didn't actually used the words...my bad


I'm done with you.
I like to talk with intellectually honest people. Do that, and we will talk again.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

That's a lousy reply.
It makes it sound that my post was racist, which had nothing to do with it, and it's quite weird and sad that people see it that way.
In fact, by turning Bond black, makes it more about race than anything else, and THAT'S much more racist that whatever i can say.

Like i said before, i'm more than fine with Moneypenny being black, since she, even being a iconic character, was never a big role.

When they come up with another way to interpret what you directly said, you can let me know. For now, no amount of hypocritical mud slinging at me will change what you implied by that post.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I disagree with Isildur, but I've read a couple of the Bond novels and I sort of see his point.

Anyways, I'd agree to disagree at this point. Starting to get personal.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

When they come up with another way to interpret what you directly said, you can let me know. For now, no amount of hypocritical mud slinging at me will change what you implied by that post.

So, you did called me a racist

So, you didn't called me a racist....but you did...this must be the most weird defense i've ever seen

And no, i didn't implied anything of the sort, which i already explained to you with:

> Moneypenny's small role is about the fact that she is seen as M's secretary that Bond flirts with.
That's it.
Her race is unimportant to the character.

You are the one that took it as a racist remark, which speaks volumes about you, not about me.
Even if you misunderstood me, i clarified it, i explained myself, you are the one going over and over about that, unable to let it go.
You even went to the point of asking me to "own it", which must be the most insane thing i ever heard, the not wanting to accept an explanation and wanting so badly to turn this into a racial thing.

There is something really wrong about you at this point.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I disagree with Isildur, but I've read a couple of the Bond novels and I sort of see his point.

Anyways, I'd agree to disagree at this point. Starting to get personal.

There is nothing wrong in disagreeing.
My point is simple, Bond is a white straight male, he was created as such, he was always portrayed as such.....that's it, it makes no sense to change just to appease the SJW crowd.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

There is nothing wrong in disagreeing.
My point is simple, Bond is a white straight male, he was created as such, he was always portrayed as such.....that's it, it makes no sense to change just to appease the SJW crowd.

You can do an elseworlds type reboot film series for 3 films where Bond is from the streets of London rather than a Scottish oligarch. After it's run it's course bring Bond back like Classic Coke. All the superheroes you brought up have endured for the better part of a century because they've been able to adapt and subvert expectations by telling different stories. I would not want to live in a world where The Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come, and Red Son doesn't exist. These stories have never been considered part of the main continuity, but they've had an undeniable influence on the entire genre.

Why can't the same mentality be applied to Bond? Other than "that's not how Ian Flemming wrote him". I'm pretty sure Superman in 2017 isn't exactly the same guy Shuster & Sigel thought up in 1937-1938.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, race is just another way to change the look of a character. There are people who attach a lot more than looks to it, sure, but it's not exactly a "guaranteed failure." A black James Bond isn't "for SJWs" any more than a blond James Bond is for Blonde hair fetishists. People of all colors in enjoy white Bond. People of all colors would enjoy a Black Bond, provided, of course, that it is equally awesome. This is especially clear when talking about Idris Elba of Heimdall and Roland Deschain fame.

And think about the alternative. If characters who were originally conceived as White cannot be successful when separated from their Whiteness, then what place do they have in a world that is not targeted towards White males as these characters originally were? It's essentially consigning them to irrelevance, which James Bond has enough trouble with already, truth be told.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Alexander Skarsgård, another interesting choice.

 

[David H.]

How will a Swedish suggestion stir this conversation?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

How will a Swedish suggestion stir this conversation?

No. Even an Australian Bond like George Lazenby was something of a stretch.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

You can do an elseworlds type reboot film series for 3 films where Bond is from the streets of London rather than a Scottish oligarch. After it's run it's course bring Bond back like Classic Coke. All the superheroes you brought up have endured for the better part of a century because they've been able to adapt and subvert expectations by telling different stories. I would not want to live in a world where The Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come, and Red Son doesn't exist. These stories have never been considered part of the main continuity, but they've had an undeniable influence on the entire genre.

Why can't the same mentality be applied to Bond? Other than "that's not how Ian Flemming wrote him". I'm pretty sure Superman in 2017 isn't exactly the same guy Shuster & Sigel thought up in 1937-1938.

But you can't expect people to endorse an "elseworld" trilogy....
They will look at Bond for what it is, not because it's set in a parallel universe.

You can't bring a comic book mentality since comic books and movies are two completely different things.

A better question is, in what way does the race change improves the character, and the answer is simple...none.
Since there is no reason and no gain into making him black, better to create a all new character.

That's the thing i don't understand, why not just create a new character and be done with it.
The moment it's "because Bond is a known character and so changing him brings some weight to it", it becomes about race and not about the character.