White Privilege

Is there such a thing?

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Wilhelm-Scream said:
TOtally freaking true.


You know, if a White guy stabs me with a knife, he could get 6 months in jail.
If he stabs a BLACK guy with a knife, he could go to prison for 50 years.

That's lunacy with a capital LOON.
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Ok, I agree things like this happen all the time. One of the most devastating things to happen to any kind of student is social promotion. Who does this effect the most...black students. Is it any good to pass any kind of student who does not understand the curriculum and graduate them to stop them from being a pest in class (because of behavior problems) or because they are a great swimmer, tennis player, footballer, baseball star?

I have gone on so many interviews where people have taken a double take at my long European sounding name and my face. In fact several of them have even said, "Wow I didn't know you were black!" Or the ever popular, "You didn't sound black on the phone."

Gee, thank you?

When I was looking for apartments, it got even worse. "We don't allow dangerous dogs here." Oh really, so I can't bred fighting pitbulls, huh? "We have a strong moral stance against drugs and immoral behavior." So no strings of men or a meth lab, aww poo. Did my White friends get asked these things, not in least bit.

I had asked them to apply to the same places, just to see. And yep, the welcome speech changed.

Are different forms of racism active, of course. I don't see it as the same extremes, but it can be frustrating to live through on a regular basis. Just ask those people in Spain who didn't heckle Lewis Hamilton and now may not have a major race ran in their country. They were being jerks and now they have to live with the consequences, but the a**hats who were jerks don't think twice about it.

We all have to live with each other, it's how we do it that makes the most difference.
 
Goddessreicho said:
Are different forms of racism active, of course. I don't see it as the same extremes, but it can be frustrating to live through on a regular basis. Just ask those people in Spain who didn't heckle Lewis Hamilton and now may not have a major race ran in their country. They were being jerks and now they have to live with the consequences, but the a**hats who were jerks don't think twice about it.

We all have to live with each other, it's how we do it that makes the most difference.
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THIS, is why I didn't vote "yes" or "no" in the thread's poorly formed question, "Is there such a thing as White Privilege?"...because the only correct answer is, Yes, and No.
There's White Privilege when a White person abuses his power.
But there isn't any White Privilege for millions of White people...and there are in fact instances, now, when Black people abuse their power.


Because my White friends and I HAVE been asked stuff like that before moving in to places.
YOU, got a racist landowner/manager....We didn't.
Therefore, there isn't a "WHITE PRIVILEGE", because if it was just a blanket privilege for "Whites", then...simply being White, would get you the privileges, and that does NOT happen, at all.


So, like I said before....there are good White people, there are bad White people.
There are good Black people, there are bad Black people.

There are White racists in positions of power.
There are Black racists in positions of power.

Trying to say that it's more common with White power, is pointless, because that does nothing to address racism when it's pointed in the opposite direction, and it does nothing to negate all of the instances where White people in power have helped Black people who were not in power.


It is so counterproductive to focus on White racism as the problem, when

RACISM​

is the problem.


If 50 Black people don't get a job just because of their skin color...it is wrong, and something should be done, but that doesn't make it any less wrong when 1 White person doesn't get a job because of his skin color.

:huh:
 
Let's all peel our skin off! :up:
 
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Arkady Rossovich said:
What do you think of the white privilege? Are you angry?
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It's one of the many things that upset me, but getting angry never solves anything... Cept if your trying to get your blood pressure up and Hulk out. :bh:

No one really paid much mind to the medicare stats I posted, 3-4 pages back...
So when I bring cited proof that something is up, it isn't much concern...
 
Bubonic said:
People hardly seem to want to hear me out on anything anyways, so I have to keep composure when replying.



Stereotypes sometimes do manifest themselves because of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
When media representations and peer interactions keep reminding you how to be your whole life, sometimes you get mixed up along the way and incorporate those notions into your budding identity.
In grade school something struck me, there was a little black kid called Randy who didn't fight the stereotypes imposed on him. While the other black kids were encouraged to lean in a certain direction, and internalized it as the right way to be, Randy was a point dexter.
The white kids felt he was free game to pick on as he didn't conform to their primitive assumptions of what a black kid should act like, and he received pressure from the black kids as well because there was a feeling he was rejecting a part of his identity.

Might seem like I'm just reaffirming your thought process, but what I'm pointing out is that so soon as these black kids weren't involving themselves in sports, weren't listening to the "right" music, and weren't conforming to expected behaviours, they were ostracized on both sides.
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o i've definitely seen that, there seems to be alot people in the black community where if your not fit into there cookie cutter form, your ostracized. I had a friend who was a gay black male as well as in the punk scene, and he had a hard time fitting in with his own race because he felt all black people should be angry, be angry at whites, love hip hop and rap, and dress thugish. I felt sorry for him.
 
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Bubonic said:
People hardly seem to want to hear me out on anything anyways, so I have to keep composure when replying.



Stereotypes sometimes do manifest themselves because of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
When media representations and peer interactions keep reminding you how to be your whole life, sometimes you get mixed up along the way and incorporate those notions into your budding identity.
In grade school something struck me, there was a little black kid called Randy who didn't fight the stereotypes imposed on him. While the other black kids were encouraged to lean in a certain direction, and internalized it as the right way to be, Randy was a point dexter.
The white kids felt he was free game to pick on as he didn't conform to their primitive assumptions of what a black kid should act like, and he received pressure from the black kids as well because there was a feeling he was rejecting a part of his identity.

Might seem like I'm just reaffirming your thought process, but what I'm pointing out is that so soon as these black kids weren't involving themselves in sports, weren't listening to the "right" music, and weren't conforming to expected behaviours, they were ostracized on both sides.



And when one of these assumptions is agreed upon, examples that seem to confirm the bias are overrepresented in the media.



Is that really privilege though?
I'm pretty sure that women would rather advance through merit in an equal society rather they objectify themselves for advancement.
The only reason tactics like that work is because we live in a sexist society.
So anytime a good looking women makes it anywhere in life, we can take comfort that she got that far, not because she's as smart as us, but because she's some sort of ****.
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LOL, I know what you mean about the Randys of the black world. They basically act non-thuglike, and both white and black kids take carte blanche on knocking them down because they aren't a threat. That makes it even worse when both sides of the coin don't even include you. I have seen black dudes that act all hardcore and never get messed with, but the same black guy that hangs with the white dudes and acts a little more..geeky, will get cracked on, as if it means that because he's not acting tough, we can screw with him. That is honestly why so many of us do it, because we know we won't lose any face that way.


There was one comedian who said he missed the days when white guys were scared of us. :p
 
Bubonic said:
No one really paid much mind to the medicare stats I posted, 3-4 pages back...
So when I bring cited proof that something is up, it isn't much concern...
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Uh, that's because it didn't give us anything.

It said that Black people get worse care than White people.
Uhhh......I say Dragons get better care than Satyrs.
It wasn't proof of White Privilege. :huh:

If there is a privilege, that is bestowed upon White people, then, WHITE people must be able to benefit from it, based solely upon the color of their skin.
But there are millions of underprivileged White people, and millions of privileged Black people.



CASE-BY-CASE....for instance...I was just watching a documentary on PBS about these towns in Arkansas where all of the Black people were driven out, and to THIS day, no Black people live there....and it's perpetuated because racists hear about these Racist Utopias and move there when they retire, mainly because of (as one White guy directly told the Black filmmaker) the absence of Black people.


So, by this logic where you say that if something happens, it's the way things are, America is a segregated nation.
But that's not accurately reflecting the fact that I (White), just looked up and saw 3 Black people and 2 White people walk past on the street outside.

The way this thread was constructed....the poll could say,
"Is America Segregated?"

And then you'd either answer "Yes" or "No".

But neither of those answers are right, and neither of those answers are wrong.
There are towns in Arkansas where Blacks would be wise to stay outside the city limits.
But We've got every race, intermingling and ****ing and talking and laughing and working together here in Seattle.

Arkansas and Seattle are "America".
White people get poor health care....I KNOW this for a fact.
Therefore, being White does not ensure that you'll receive good health care.
So, are people treated better because they're White?
Sometimes yes. Not always.
There are Somalian Taxi cab drivers here who will not pick you up if you're White.
Does that mean Taxi drivers are racists against White people?
Sometimes.

It's pointless to try and say, "Well, 18 times a White person got an unnecessary amputation, but 24 times, a Black person got one....SO, see?, things are bad for Black people, because they get MORE unnecessary amputations!"

What about the 18 White people who got them? :dry:
Are you saying there's nothing wrong with that?
Of course not.
So, when you find injustice, you fight it.
When you find ignorant people who don't know which questions to ask, or how to be savvy when looking for health care, you try to educate them, Black AND White.


This whole concept is just trying to continue to blame White people for all of the problems many Black people suffer. It's fun to have a scapegoat, but it doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the real problem.



My Black boss will always choose an unqualified Black person over a highly qualified White person.
Where is the "White Privilege" there?
There are Black people who can go to college BECAUSE of the color of their skin.
I didn't get to go to college.
Where is the "White Privilege" there?

Live in the real world instead of a world of generalizations and avoidance of responsibility.
 
but, I don't get it.
sure, some white people also have a hard time in life.
sure, I got that.
but, is it even up for discussion that black people, along with other minorities have a tougher time in a country still comprised of a white majority?
 
Mr Sparkle said:
but, I don't get it.
sure, some white people also have a hard time in life.
sure, I got that.
but, is it even up for discussion that black people, along with other minorities have a tougher time in a country still comprised of a white majority?
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You just perfectly illustrated my point. Thank you.

Is it even up for discussion that BLACK PEOPLE (and other minorities), have a TOUGHER time...?


Uh, hell yeah.

BLACK PEOPLE do not have a TOUGHER time.
That would be a racist generalization.
If I said, "Is it even up for discussion that Black people are more stupid and lazy than White people?".....how would that be?

Because there are a lot of stupid, lazy Black people and a lot of smart, ambitious White people.

But that doesn't make my family friend (who is a chemist making tons of money with some research firm, who is a pastor, a loving husband and father, and his band played at the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympics) any less Black.


You skipped over my thing above....if 24 Black people get unnecessary amputations, and 18 White people get them, does that mean that Black people have a tougher time with unnecessary amputations than White people?!? Because it happened to 6 more Blacks than Whites?

Not in any way.
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
You just perfectly illustrated my point. Thank you.

Is it even up for discussion that BLACK PEOPLE (and other minorities), have a TOUGHER time...?


Uh, hell yeah.

BLACK PEOPLE do not have a TOUGHER time.
That would be a racist generalization.
If I said, "Is it even up for discussion that Black people are more stupid and lazy than White people?".....how would that be?

Because there are a lot of stupid, lazy Black people and a lot of smart, ambitious White people.

But that doesn't make my family friend (who is a chemist making tons of money with some research firm, who is a pastor, a loving husband and father, and his band played at the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympics) any less Black.


You skipped over my thing above....if 24 Black people get unnecessary amputations, and 18 White people get them, does that mean that Black people have a tougher time with unnecessary amputations than White people?!? Because it happened to 6 more Blacks than Whites?

Not in any way.
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but you skipped over the part about " in a society comprised of a white majority" you seem be operating under the premise that race divisions either don't exist or are not a factor to be considered.
to say that a black man would have a more difficult time realizing his potential in a society comprised of a white majority is not " racist " it's just logical.
50 years ago the black man was still not considered to be " equal " amongst many people in the US, and other minorities as well.
you don't really think that all that prejudice and racist goodness has died off do you?
you do understand that we ( people like you, me and others) that think that all races are equal are the "minority" here right? (irony alert) and that in many instances racial preferences still play a major role in the decision making process of many individuals?

I mean, I'm not saying " give them reparations" just concede that they by definition WILL have a tougher time, I'm not being racist when I say this am I?
women have a tougher time succeeding in the male dominated business world, there are many women who do succeed, but does that remove the fact that in many positions on the job market women get paid less for doing the same jobs as men?
no, and to highlight that fact (or is it "uplight") is not sexist in the least.
 
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