The Avengers "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be Hemsworthy, shall possess the power of Thor" - Part 4

[Gamma Burst]

Well, with his brother wreaking havoc on Earth, I can see why Thor would be serious.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Everyone in the GA seems to think Thor was too serious, what do you guys think?

Not.

 

[Lady Marion]

Everyone in the GA seems to think Thor was too serious, what do you guys think?

Definitely not. There's no reason to joke around for him with his brother as villain. He had a few funny moments. I don't need a comedy Thor here. For jokes we have Tony in the main. It was alright as it was.

 

[SimiOfDoom]

Really? After the Thor movie people were complaining that he was a goofball with the personality of a golden retriever and now he´s too serious?

 

[Havok83]

If anyone was too serious it was Captain America. Thor was just fine

 

[BigThor]

No, it's...still magic. It's just what Thor considers a type of science.

It's incredibly far-fetched that the Earth scientists could take that destroyer armor and engineer a weapon from the magic in it that no longer exists because it, you know, died.

Exactly, it's like people heard what they wanted to hear because it was never stated that the Asgardians don't you magic.

Thor said and I quote "Where I come from science and magic are one and the same", which means magic to them is what science is to us.

If anyone was too serious it was Captain America. Thor was just fine

I found Thor be a more serious than Cap in this film, besides everyone can't be the next "Martin Lawrence" like RDJ.

 

[Silvermoon]

Everyone in the GA seems to think Thor was too serious, what do you guys think?

Nah..I don't see it. He was able to be a little loose and relaxed when the situation allowed for it. But when the **** started hitting the fan he was the proper warrior and turned to the business at hand.

I think it was just the right balance in this movie given the situation (i.e. his little brother wreaking havoc and wanting to enslave the earth)

 

[04nbod]

No, it's...still magic. It's just what Thor considers a type of science.

It's incredibly far-fetched that the Earth scientists could take that destroyer armor and engineer a weapon from the magic in it that no longer exists because it, you know, died.

Well there are few points to make here. Firstly the destroyer gun wasn't on the level of the destroyer. Powerful but not that powerful. Secondly, the Destroyer wasn't 'Powered by magic' it was very advanced tech. From what we can see, its controlled by voice and by remote (guignir). How it actually works , you can see it powering up inside generating a heat blast that it expels through the face. Shield can reverse engineer that. Its a lot easier to see why something works that work out how you get it to work out of thin air.

 

[BigThor]

^ They never said Asgardian weapons was advanced tech, I think people are misinterpreting the "magic and science are one and the same" line.

That's basically saying "science to you is what magic is to us", so I don't see where people are getting this "advanced tech" stuff from.

 

[Vartha]

Everyone in the GA seems to think Thor was too serious, what do you guys think?

.....What GA is that? The ones HERE were all fine with the entire Movie.
The ONLY time I've even heard that phrase "Too Serious" was a friend from one of the California Faires visting the one I worked at between Chicago and Milwaukee. She told me that we were all, "too serious"....to this day I wonder how people really are in Cali lol

 

[04nbod]

^ They never said Asgardian weapons was advanced tech, I think people are misinterpreting the "magic and science are one and the same" line.

That's basically saying "science to you is what magic is to us", so I don't see where people are getting this "advanced tech" stuff from.

'Magic is just science we don't understand yet- Arthur C. Clarke'

'Your ancestors called it magic but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same'

What is known as magic is science. Its right there as a central theme of the movie.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I saw an interesting article about what a supposed Avengers movie would have been like had it been made 20 years ago.
Got me thinking.....given all the high fantasy stuff that came out in the eighties, do you guys think it would have been possible to do a Thor movie 20 years ago?

 

[Vartha]

Not really MOVIE realted but I made a Model of the Comic Thor's house, Bilskirnir. It only made one appearance since Thor has started.

 

[Vartha]

I vaugely remember a Justice League Roast live action tv show from the EARLY 70's....it was pretty horrible. The Fantastic Four by Corman gave you a look how bad it COULD have been.

I saw an interesting article about what a supposed Avengers movie would have been like had it been made 20 years ago.
Got me thinking.....given all the high fantasy stuff that came out in the eighties, do you guys think it would have been possible to do a Thor movie 20 years ago?

 

[Vartha]

I do wonder however if that one Hulk TV movie DID lauch Thor how long it could have lasted.
The idea was a cool idea. Thor's banished to earth basically the same way BUT he has to do Good Deeds for and WITH Don Blake before he's allowed back to Asgard.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Since the asgardians in this universe arent really magical, just have really advanced science, making a gun from the destroyer technology isnt so far fetched. Chill guys

The context of that whole "Science is magic" issue can be taken too far in some respects. Remember when Odin waved his hands over baby Loki in the temple and suddenly gave him a more human appearance? Would you deem that science too? Not really .... there are some "enchanted" aspects to what the Asgardians do, we can further confirm with some of Loki's abilities. The Destroyer was something that needed to be summoned by "The King of Asgard" in order to be activated. The thing was purely metal and fire. So SHIELD being able to reverse engineer a weapon out of it is a bit silly on its face. They could perhaps mold the gun's barrel out of the Destroyer armor, but they wouldn't have enough to mass produce. I also don't know they would legitimately reproduce a Destroyer blast out of it.

 

[BigThor]

'Magic is just science we don't understand yet- Arthur C. Clarke'

'Your ancestors called it magic but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same'

What is known as magic is science. Its right there as a central theme of the movie.

That's still not saying they use "advanced tech", it's just saying that science and magic are one and the same to them.

Odin making Loki appear human, Loki duplicating, and Odin engraving words in Mjolnir with mere words is pretty magical to me.

The context of that whole "Science is magic" issue can be taken too far in some respects. Remember when Odin waved his hands over baby Loki in the temple and suddenly gave him a more human appearance? Would you deem that science too? Not really .... there are some "enchanted" aspects to what the Asgardians do, we can further confirm with some of Loki's abilities. The Destroyer was something that needed to be summoned by "The King of Asgard" in order to be activated. The thing was purely metal and fire. So SHIELD being able to reverse engineer a weapon out of it is a bit silly on its face. They could perhaps mold the gun's barrel out of the Destroyer armor, but they wouldn't have enough to mass produce. I also don't know they would legitimately reproduce a Destroyer blast out of it.

Agreed on all counts

 

[04nbod]

That's still not saying they use "advanced tech", it's just saying that science and magic are one and the same to them.

Odin making Loki appear human, Loki duplicating, and Odin engraving words in Mjolnir with mere words is pretty magical to me.

It pretty much is. 'A primitive culture like the vikings may have worshiped them as deities' That is the idea, we are primitive compared to them so when Odin is waving his hand we have no idea how he's doing it but that doesn't mean we can't learn it. Its the Prometheus idea. Creating fire is the greatest technological achievement of humanity next to the wheel but the ancient Greeks couldn't grasp the science behind it so they made a story about a titan stealing it from the gods. There is also the long standing 'crossover' between science and magic through 'alchemy'. Medicine has a history of 'magic' stigma too and you can see why, 'So I take this three times a day and my pain disappears?', remember the term 'Witchdoctor'.

The context of that whole "Science is magic" issue can be taken too far in some respects. Remember when Odin waved his hands over baby Loki in the temple and suddenly gave him a more human appearance? Would you deem that science too? Not really .... there are some "enchanted" aspects to what the Asgardians do, we can further confirm with some of Loki's abilities. The Destroyer was something that needed to be summoned by "The King of Asgard" in order to be activated. The thing was purely metal and fire. So SHIELD being able to reverse engineer a weapon out of it is a bit silly on its face. They could perhaps mold the gun's barrel out of the Destroyer armor, but they wouldn't have enough to mass produce. I also don't know they would legitimately reproduce a Destroyer blast out of it.

We didn't see inside of it and we don't know what maintenance it needs. For all we know it gets refueled. Look at a lighter, its metal and liquid gas to create fire. Take Sif stabbing the destroyer. If its just metal with no internal structure what did she think she was going to do to it?

 

[BigThor]

It pretty much is. 'A primitive culture like the vikings may have worshiped them as deities' That is the idea, we are primitive compared to them so when Odin is waving his hand we have no idea how he's doing it but that doesn't mean we can't learn it. Its the Prometheus idea. Creating fire is the greatest technological achievement of humanity next to the wheel but the ancient Greeks couldn't grasp the science behind it so they made a story about a titan stealing it from the gods. There is also the long standing 'crossover' between science and magic through 'alchemy'. Medicine has a history of 'magic' stigma too and you can see why, 'So I take this three times a day and my pain disappears?', remember the term 'Witchdoctor'.

You could say that about ANY for of magic, this still doesn't prove that Asgardians are any less magical than they are in the MU.

 

[04nbod]

You could say that about ANY for of magic, this still doesn't prove that Asgardians are any less magical than they are in the MU.

Except, like I showed before. We are told. Thor explicitly says that what our ancestors thought was magical was actually what we consider today science. Asgardians don't distinguish the two. The vikings looked to them and saw gods and while humans have advanced to see that isn't totally true the MU still isn't on their level so it still looks like magic.

 

[The Guard]

The Destroyer being advanced tech is irrelevant. Its clealry "tech" so advanced its indistinguishable from magic. Loki seems to control the thing at will. The thing is an empty suit of armor that lights up and then emits huge amounts of destructive energy.

I don't see SHIELD being able to just...make a gun out of it after its destroyed. Its a forced element, at best.

Why they didn't just have Coulson use a tesseract weapon is beyond me at this point. It makes so much more sense to the plot.

 

[04nbod]

The Destroyer being advanced tech is irrelevant. Its clealry "tech" so advanced its indistinguishable from magic. Loki seems to control the thing at will. The thing is an empty suit of armor that lights up and then emits huge amounts of destructive energy.

I don't see SHIELD being able to just...make a gun out of it after its destroyed. Its a forced element, at best.

Why they didn't just have Coulson use a tesseract weapon is beyond me at this point. It makes so much more sense to the plot.

How do you know its empty? Yes it lights up with fire from head to toe and can reverse itself but I saw no evidence that there was no internal system working there. In fact, when it 'powered down' after being stabbed it did look like tech that took a minute to reboot.

 

[Silvermoon]

For those interested, little baby Hemsworth entered the world yesterday:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/chris-hemsworths-wife-elsa-pataky-gives-birth-2012125

Congrats to the new parents. I think Chris will be an AWESOME dad (and I bet that little girl is going to have him totally wrapped around her little finger in no time t:)

 

[MarvelKnight]

Everyone in the GA seems to think Thor was too serious, what do you guys think?

Thor was too serious? That sounds ridiculous to me. I'd be serious too if my brother was trying to take over a world I swore to protect.

 

[Rock Sexton]

We didn't see inside of it and we don't know what maintenance it needs. For all we know it gets refueled. Look at a lighter, its metal and liquid gas to create fire. Take Sif stabbing the destroyer. If its just metal with no internal structure what did she think she was going to do to it?

Ya, a lighter that can be summoned by a King's command .... that's it. ....There is more to a lighter btw than metal liquid and gas. There is an igniter. When we see the Destroyer expand, gearing up to blast people we can see there's nothing inside of him. It also had it's exterior rotate around ... if there was liquid in there it would've spilled out.

I see you blatantly ignored my comment about the enchantments Odin can perform as he did on baby Loki. Do we "not know what's inside of Odin's hand" as he's doing that as well? LOL ..... Sif attacked the Detroyer because that's what Warriors do. There's no guarantee what she wanted to do was gonna work .... nowhere in the story is it explained how the Destroyer can be taken down.