Why are people so skeptical of UFO's?

[Thundercrack85]

Very interesting...

2 Living ETs Working with US Government - Citizen Hearing on Disclosure

Paul Hellyer - Former Minister of National Defense for Canada

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T2RbMsasfmo#!

I have to say he loses me when he goes from talking about a mass sighting of UFO's in the 60's, to alien species who have studied Earth for thousands of years.

 

[NickNitro]

Maybe in the process of watching you were abducted by aliens and now you just feel disoriented and confused. Don't worry dude! Tell us what you saw!

 

[superpower]

Honest people see things they can not identify and this leads to real UFOs.

Skepticism is born from humanities gift to lie. Why lie? Some may lie in search of the spotlight or money for their story. Others might lie as a cover to stay out of trouble. A few will even lie just to sit back and enjoy the aftermath of the false reality they created. I'm sure I could keep going but that should be enough reasons to lie.

If you add our capacity to lie with the fact that we have been in a technological boom over the last twenty years in essence putting a camera in everyones hand, the evidence should be overwhelming yet it is not.

So until a trustworthy source, me, experiences these UFOs I have to call bull.

Talk is cheap. I can find people who will swear to almost anything. Even if that person is presented with TRUE evidence that conflicts with their story.

We are human and we lie
From the day we're born till the day we die.

 

[RockSP]

We are human and we lie
From the day we're born till the day we die.

What was the lie you told on the day you were born? That you could even speak back then is You must be an alien...

 

[superpower]

What was the lie you told on the day you were born? That you could even speak back then is You must be an alien...

Well my mom has said I would cry like I was hungry just so she would pick me up and give me attention.


Or..... Am I lying?

No I'm not and I think that could constitute a willful lie since I wanted a hug.lol. you know what I meant.

 

[superpower]

Although I did look in the mirror once and thought "Damn I look like an alien". I was about 18.

 

[BestGirl]

If UFOs and ETs exist, why is the government hiding them from us? What's up with all the secrecy?

 

[Thundercrack85]

If UFOs and ETs exist, why is the government hiding them from us? What's up with all the secrecy?

You guys really ought to read Edward Ruppelt's book. He was one of the directors of Project Blue Book. He covers a lot of this stuff. You can find it online for free.

During the 1947 wave (the big one), there was a growing public concern. A lot of the brass feared widespread panic (and rightfully so). Only ten years earlier, Orson Welles had freaked out the entire country with a radio drama. That actually came up at meetings.

Plus if you're trying to restore order to a world, that just went through the worst war in human history, and is on the verge of a third world war, with nuclear weapons, it's probably best not to tell people that the planet may or may not be coming under attack by aliens.

 

[BestGirl]

You guys really ought to read Edward Ruppelt's book. He was one of the directors of Project Blue Book. He covers a lot of this stuff. You can find it online for free.

During the 1947 wave (the big one), there was a growing public concern. A lot of the brass feared widespread panic (and rightfully so). Only ten years earlier, Orson Welles had freaked out the entire country with a radio drama. That actually came up at meetings.

Plus if you're trying to restore order to a world, that just went through the worst war in human history, and is on the verge of a third world war, with nuclear weapons, it's probably best not to tell people that the planet may or may not be coming under attack by aliens.

The planet wouldn't've been under attack in 1947 so much as under observation. Besides, if you're worried about the prospect of world war, what better way to unite Earth than to let everyone know there are aliens out there?

 

[the last son]

I'm not skeptical, just don't care. Whatever is going to happen, will happen.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You have hindsight, they did not. All they knew with any certainty was that multiple bases, research facilities, and other highly sensitive airspaces were being violated by craft with capabilities they had never seen.

I forget the exact number, but flying saucers (or discs), were reported by thousands of newspapers around the world that July. It seemed like the opening phase of an invasion.

No rising superpower would tell its people it was helpless against an adversary they had never encountered before.

 

[Baramos]

I have the feeling most UFO sightings have their basis in people accidentally catching a glimpse of secret government aircraft that are entirely terrestrial in origin but to people who have never seen them before look like something out of science fiction. That's because they are cutting-edge and unusually futuristic looking.

Let's say it's 1983, and you somehow see something like this around Area 51:

Pretty futuristic looking, huh? That's an F-117 Nighthawk stealth bomber, in use as early as 1981. But the government never acknowledged its existence until 1988. Just a few years later, it was basically retired, because the government had been developing another stealth bomber to replace it, in secret.

Basically, the planes we know about are probably already on their way out or retired. The ones actually being used for missions are top secret.

Take for example the following. This is going to look about as much like a UFO as you can get:

Pretty...alien looking, right? If I had this in a sci-fi movie or something you wouldn't even blink. So, what is it? Is it just a fake prop made up by a sci-fi studio or something? No, it's a U.S. stealth drone called the U.S. RQ -170 that crashed in Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident

No one outside top secret officials and the people flying and test piloting them knew of its existence until this one accidentally crashed in Iran. We asked them nicely for it back, but they refused.

Let's say you're hanging around out in the southwest in the '50s. Roswell, New Mexico, that kind of thing. We know now that there are dozens of secret military installations in that area and that they were doing testing on all kinds of weird looking military aircraft, aircraft which, to a random person, would look alien, beyond anything they'd ever seen before. But in fact they were simply test flights of advanced top secret aircraft by the U.S. government and companies like Lockheed Martin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works

For fun, here is a top secret stealth sea ship built by Lockheed:

Pretty crazy looking, huh?

Who knows how many funky prototypes have cruised the skies in the past 60 years? With enough radar shielding and weird angles, anything can look like a futuristic alien space craft. And I have the feeling ones in the future are going to look even weirder.
You want UFOs? Here they are. You don't need to look beyond planet Earth.

Here's a fun article about weird shaped planes of the Cold War:

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.co...ost-incredible-experimental-aircraft-cold-war

Look familiar? I see several flying saucers.

Here is an article on 6 modern day stealth planes routinely mistaken for extraterrestrial UFOs:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/ufo/4304207

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, in light of all the flying saucer sightings, the government spent a decent fortune trying to create its own flying saucer. Most of the results could barely fly. None were ever put into service.

So, for the time being, if you see a flying saucer, it's a coin toss whether or not it's alien or manmade.

 

[Baramos]

I hate to burst your bubble but it's only a coin toss if "manmade" is heads and it's a double-headed coin...

Seriously, think logically. Is it more likely that the U.S. government saw alien flying saucers and tried to recreate the design, or that the government built aircraft which were mistaken for alien flying saucers by people outside the military?

 

[Thundercrack85]

I hate to burst your bubble but it's only a coin toss if "manmade" is heads and it's a double-headed coin...

Seriously, think logically. Is it more likely that the U.S. government saw alien flying saucers and tried to recreate the design, or that the government built aircraft which were mistaken for alien flying saucers by people outside the military?

That was a rather poor attempt at a joke (the coin toss part).

And if you would read, you would know that the people who saw the flying saucers were the people building the prototypes at places like Muroc.

 

[superpower]

A few things.

I wonder if we will see a decline in reported sightings or an increase in picture-evidence. It would seem increasingly unlikely that people would not be able to show proof.

Unless the person is so back of the road that they're just mistaking commercial airliners. I kid.

Next shouldn't our telescopes be able to pick these things up?

If they're so advanced how long ago were they like us watching tv and listening to radios? Wouldn't we have picked up those signals by now?

I know you don't need it but if you travel at light speed how long would it take to slow down comfortably?
I googled it but nothing on the first few pages.

I had one more but I lost it. Takes me too long to type on my phone.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I recall a lot of people who took photos claimed to have had them confiscated back in the day. One guy even tried to sue the government to get them back. Not that it would make any difference really. People would just say it was a fake, as they do with the photos in circulation.

As for telescopes, it's not like astronomers don't see strange stuff from time to time. But again, it gives you nothing to take to the bank.

Listening to radios to find alien life is pretty silly. Consider the length of human existence, then consider how long we actually used radios (and how soon before we will use new technologies to communicate).

Not only that, but our range is extremely limited, since we've only been "listening" for a few decades. Peanuts on an interstellar scale.

 

[superpower]

I recall a lot of people who took photos claimed to have had them confiscated back in the day. One guy even tried to sue the government to get them back. Not that it would make any difference really. People would just say it was a fake, as they do with the photos in circulation.

As for telescopes, it's not like astronomers don't see strange stuff from time to time. But again, it gives you nothing to take to the bank.

Listening to radios to find alien life is pretty silly. Consider the length of human existence, then consider how long we actually used radios (and how soon before we will use new technologies to communicate).

Not only that, but our range is extremely limited, since we've only been "listening" for a few decades. Peanuts on an interstellar scale.

I hear you on the confiscation. Take into account the number shift of how many people have a camera readily available. That many complaints would draw some attention.

Telescopes can have cameras.

You misunderstood about the radio signals.

I meant us picking their old radio signals with seti. Not us getting their oldies on the car radio.

Doesn't matter how long we've been listening because once the signals were coming in it would be steady. No? Our signals are shooting out steadily.

 

[superpower]

Let me try to say that last part better.

It's not about how long we have been listening. It's about how long they have been broadcasting.

Since these beings would have been around so much longer their waves from something would be hitting us. How long ago was this "advanced" species where we are today? They would have to evolve and dicover far beyond where we are. So I think their signals should be so old they would have hit us by now.

Though depending on distance who knows. I'd have to do the math to really know how long it would take a radio wave to travel from "system X" to earth.

Not sure that helped lol

Also when I said the telescopes thing....

I meant as they were on approach not in the far reaches of space. Not just an anomaly but a craft in our solar system.

I was trying to take into account how far away they would have to begin slowing down. You can't just drop out of light speed can you? I'm sure it would be different but think about stopping your car fast..?

 

[Thundercrack85]

You do realize though that those signals will eventually degrade into... well, nothing, right?

So unless there is an alien civilization between us and the point of those signals becoming "indiscernible background noise", it's lost for all intents and purposes.

Their signals would degrade as well. So given the short time frame, and the huge distances involved, think about our odds.

 

[superpower]

True. But you could still find patterns that would be different from space static. No?

Now you also have me thinking. Even if the wave didn't dissipate couldn't we potentially see their sun go super nova before we heard them?

Also..... Would an "advanced" species have to be located farther from the epicenter of the big bang? Or did the universe cool evenly?

 

[Thundercrack85]

True. But you could still find patterns that would be different from space static. No?

Now you also have me thinking. Even if the wave didn't dissipate couldn't we potentially see their sun go super nova before we heard them?

Also..... Would an "advanced" species have to be located farther from the epicenter of the big bang? Or did the universe cool evenly?

Not at a distance greater than so many lightyears. Otherwise, we'd hear a lot more than we do. What exactly that distance is, is a rather complex math problem.

The second question is interesting. But I don't know enough about electromagnetic waves to answer it.

I don't really know enough about cosmology to answer the third question either. But, advanced-ness is rather relative here.

There's nothing to say there couldn't be a younger planet than our own that developed more "advanced", or at least, more intelligent life.

In fact, a lot of advanced life has probably come about and died out, all over the galaxy.

 

[terry78]

They probably already came and left. They'd just observe as opposed to draw attention to themselves I would think.

 

[Thundercrack85]

If I had to guess, World War II, and the subsequent nuclear testing drew their attention. That would explain the sheer number of sightings in the 40's and 50's. Though sightings obviously continued, never in those numbers.

Our own advances in technology also probably had a role in that. The advent of supersonic jet fighters and heat-seeking missiles, among other things (onboard radar and cameras). Presumably being so advanced, they could still fly circles around anything we have in the air. But, obviously, having to put up with supersonic interceptors is a nuisance.

So either, they're keeping a lower profile, or they've learned enough, or they've lost interest. Or a bit of all three.

 

[Piper Maru]

I hate to burst your bubble but it's only a coin toss if "manmade" is heads and it's a double-headed coin...

Seriously, think logically. Is it more likely that the U.S. government saw alien flying saucers and tried to recreate the design, or that the government built aircraft which were mistaken for alien flying saucers by people outside the military?

This reminds me of the second episode from the first season of X-Files where the army was reverse engineering stealth aircraft from crashed alien spacecrafts.