Why are people so skeptical of UFO's?

[NickNitro]

More often than not its Government Officials/Top Agents who are sadly on their death beds and feel this is the last time they will be able to talk about what they experienced before their time is up.

Unfortunately I think we'll have to wait for a lot more of these situations than not.

 

[superpower]

And how would you know if they were real or not from Area 51? t:

I would raise the white flag. Assure them that my goal is their freedom. Offer my assistance in overthrowing their captors and hopefully gain their trust enough for them to tell me.

 

[moviedoors]

So couldn't you just take the hundreds of UFO sightings/videos/testimonies as your proof?

No, because anecdotal evidence is the weakest, least reliable evidence there is. You can stack cow patties a thousand piles high, it's still just a big pile of ********.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
The poop analogies are always great.

 

[terry78]

Everything is bigger in Texas.

 

[superpower]

Question:

If the government gave a fully transparent disclosure that we have been visited and or have a craft of theirs.

Then what? What does knowing this to the highest level of certainty do for the good of humanity?

I like to "question" just as much as anyone and this includes questioning the relevance of the question.

I can see the opportunity to understand their tech in regards to space travel. From there we could use that tech to explore space for resources.

So other than that what does knowing we are not alone do? What gains would you expect from such a truth being revealed?

 

[NickNitro]

Question:

If the government gave a fully transparent disclosure that we have been visited and or have a craft of theirs.

Then what? What does knowing this to the highest level of certainty do for the good of humanity?

Do you understand how many companies would spawn? Scientists now can actively research interstellar space travel openly.

99% of the Science/Medical/Military community are in the dark about technology that could potentially (no pun intended) rocket us into a whole new age.

The fact that they are hiding information that has to do with all of humanity makes its wrong on the very basic of levels. Everyone has a right to know their well being as a human. From the top level officials to children.

We could collectively understand/accept we are not alone, and hopefully start to finally work together as a species to grow in the eyes of beings that are thousands if not millions of years more advanced.

As a species...we would finally be humbled. Too long have we felt superior because we've conquered the food chain on our planet. We need to know that we are not as mighty as we think. Hopefully that could finally bring us together.

 

[superpower]

Do you understand how many companies would spawn? Scientists now can actively research interstellar space travel openly.

99% of the Science/Medical/Military community are in the dark about technology that could potentially (no pun intended) rocket us into a whole new age.

The fact that they are hiding information that has to do with all of humanity makes its wrong on the very basic of levels. Everyone has a right to know their well being as a human. From the top level officials to children.

We could collectively understand/accept we are not alone, and hopefully start to finally work together as a species to grow in the eyes of beings that are thousands if not millions of years more advanced.

As a species...we would finally be humbled. Too long have we felt superior because we've conquered the food chain on our planet. We need to know that we are not as mighty as we think. Hopefully that could finally bring us together.

I hear you but you said pretty much what I said about space travel and resources.

I'm not sure what you mean by people having the right to know their wellbeing as a human. Do you mean as in the potential threat they would pose?

As for the unification.... Maybe. I'll have to think about it for a bit. When I picture people here discovering others it usually means (or in the past has meant) war.

I will say that I wouldn't expect much in the way of medicine unless they carry the same form as us.

 

[superpower]

Do you understand how many companies would spawn? Scientists now can actively research interstellar space travel openly.

99% of the Science/Medical/Military community are in the dark about technology that could potentially (no pun intended) rocket us into a whole new age.

The fact that they are hiding information that has to do with all of humanity makes its wrong on the very basic of levels. Everyone has a right to know their well being as a human. From the top level officials to children.

We could collectively understand/accept we are not alone, and hopefully start to finally work together as a species to grow in the eyes of beings that are thousands if not millions of years more advanced.

As a species...we would finally be humbled. Too long have we felt superior because we've conquered the food chain on our planet. We need to know that we are not as mighty as we think. Hopefully that could finally bring us together.

Also using history as my guide it probably wouldn't spawn many companies and even if it did they wouldn't last.

No it would be more like a corporate bilateral movement to corner the market then use the tech to increase profitability. Good for humanity? Maybe for some but I'm more interested in the whole.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm not skeptical of UFOs. I'm skeptical of light-speed. Of course I believe extraterrestrial life exists. Considering there's billions of galaxies that each contain billions of stars it would almost be impossible for there not to be other life-forms out there. But consider how vast space is. If the nearest solar system is thousands of light years away, how could an alien reach our planet within his/her/it's lifetime? And even if they did reach us and they had the technological capacity that would come with light-speed travel, do you think they'd be content with anal-probing a few backwoods rednecks? No, they'd send a delegation or perhaps try and colonize us. That's why I doubt UFOs have ever visited us.

We have a winner.

 

[superpower]

We have a winner.

Perhaps on a few points he wins.

However we cant assume that our ideas for travel are the end all be all. Perhaps they use wormholes not light speed.

Also if they are the engineers of our species then they could be content probing the backwoods to check on progress. Ultimately waiting for the day they could safely bring us into the galactic fold.

If those two points were to hold true then I doubt they would exterminate us. Why send a welcome wagon if they're just going to tell us we aren't quite ready yet?

 

[Marvolo]

Homo Sapiens have been around for only 200,000 years, and Its only in the last 10,000 years that we made the biggest strides. And of that 10,000 years once you strip away the setbacks and rediscoveries only about 1,000 years of it have involved great leaps in scientific thought. So we are still in the gestation period of our development compared to the age of the universe. We haven't even been born yet. We are still a fetus. And this isn't even taking into account the possibilities of older multiverses with varying physical laws. There is a much higher probability that somewhere a much older civilization has discovered laws we have not that allows them to transverse space and time in a way our species may never figure out.

I've never accepted Einstein's limitations on faster than light travel as the final answer because he is a homo sapien and homo sapiens simply don't see or hold all the cards to make a claim like that.

 

[Solouk]

We have a winner.

Perhaps on a few points he wins.

However we cant assume that our ideas for travel are the end all be all. Perhaps they use wormholes not light speed.

Also if they are the engineers of our species then they could be content probing the backwoods to check on progress. Ultimately waiting for the day they could safely bring us into the galactic fold.

If those two points were to hold true then I doubt they would exterminate us. Why send a welcome wagon if they're just going to tell us we aren't quite ready yet?

Always makes me chuckle when people equate our understanding of travel to other beings who may be out there. Our failings as a civilisation, the need to conquer. **** everyone must be like us, surely? We have no comprehension of what these beings are? How old they are? How advanced they are? For arguments sake, say there from a civilisation that has survived and been around for a million years? They are going to be WAY beyond anything we can imagine. Anything. The way things are going right now we ain't gonna be around in the next 1000 years. And I just can't see things getting better, the light for the trees if you will. So Maybe were just a curiosity to these things? There's no right or wrong in them, they're just curious.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do agree that it's rather shortsighted for us to say something is impossible simply because we can't do it.

Still, that doesn't give scientists much to work with.

 

[Marvolo]

I do agree that it's rather shortsighted for us to say something is impossible simply because we can't do it.

Still, that doesn't give scientists much to work with.

Yeah, as it stands we are fumbling in a dark vast room with a flashlight. Not a whole lot for them to go on. It can't be helped tho. Our species would rather kill each other for imagined and ridiculous slights than further our advancement.

 

[mikey1974]

Homo Sapiens have been around for only 200,000 years, and Its only in the last 10,000 years that we made the biggest strides. And of that 10,000 years once you strip away the setbacks and rediscoveries only about 1,000 years of it have involved great leaps in scientific thought. So we are still in the gestation period of our development compared to the age of the universe. We haven't even been born yet. We are still a fetus. And this isn't even taking into account the possibilities of older multiverses with varying physical laws. There is a much higher probability that somewhere a much older civilization has discovered laws we have not that allows them to transverse space and time in a way our species may never figure out.

I've never accepted Einstein's limitations on faster than light travel as the final answer because he is a homo sapien and homo sapiens simply don't see or hold all the cards to make a claim like that.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Do you understand how many companies would spawn? Scientists now can actively research interstellar space travel openly.

99% of the Science/Medical/Military community are in the dark about technology that could potentially (no pun intended) rocket us into a whole new age.

The fact that they are hiding information that has to do with all of humanity makes its wrong on the very basic of levels. Everyone has a right to know their well being as a human. From the top level officials to children.

We could collectively understand/accept we are not alone, and hopefully start to finally work together as a species to grow in the eyes of beings that are thousands if not millions of years more advanced.

As a species...we would finally be humbled. Too long have we felt superior because we've conquered the food chain on our planet. We need to know that we are not as mighty as we think. Hopefully that could finally bring us together.

All of that is assuming that government transparency equals the government making the tech and research available for public use. Which simply would not happen. I won't even get into the hurdles something like that would cause with patents and licensing.

 

[superpower]

Yeah, as it stands we are fumbling in a dark vast room with a flashlight. Not a whole lot for them to go on. It can't be helped tho. Our species would rather kill each other for imagined and ridiculous slights than further our advancement.

I'd like to believe that is more of a political problem. It's not something I would hold the the masses responsible for.

 

[NickNitro]

Homo Sapiens have been around for only 200,000 years, and Its only in the last 10,000 years that we made the biggest strides. And of that 10,000 years once you strip away the setbacks and rediscoveries only about 1,000 years of it have involved great leaps in scientific thought. So we are still in the gestation period of our development compared to the age of the universe. We haven't even been born yet. We are still a fetus. And this isn't even taking into account the possibilities of older multiverses with varying physical laws. There is a much higher probability that somewhere a much older civilization has discovered laws we have not that allows them to transverse space and time in a way our species may never figure out.

I've never accepted Einstein's limitations on faster than light travel as the final answer because he is a homo sapien and homo sapiens simply don't see or hold all the cards to make a claim like that.

You have summed up with I have been trying to say for some time now but in a much more elegant way. I appreciate it Marvolo

Agree 100%

 

[superpower]

Always makes me chuckle when people equate our understanding of travel to other beings who may be out there. Our failings as a civilisation, the need to conquer. **** everyone must be like us, surely? We have no comprehension of what these beings are? How old they are? How advanced they are? For arguments sake, say there from a civilisation that has survived and been around for a million years? They are going to be WAY beyond anything we can imagine. Anything. The way things are going right now we ain't gonna be around in the next 1000 years. And I just can't see things getting better, the light for the trees if you will. So Maybe were just a curiosity to these things? There's no right or wrong in them, they're just curious.

We imagine the unknown based on the known. While it limits the possibilities it also allows us a way to discuss that unknown.

 

[Marvolo]

Food for thought:

Nearly 85% of the mass of the universe is dark matter that we can't directly see and its detection is still debatable to this day. The universe we see is only about 15% of the whole. Now if that doesn't put things into perspective about what we "know" then I don't know what does.

Another: theoretically there are 11 demensions. Ten space and one time. We observe 3 space and one time. The rest of the demensions are believed to be curled up on the plank scale that we will probably never have the power capabilities to detect nor see.

Frankly humans in our current evolutionary stage are little more than naked apes dipping our toes in an ocean of wonder.

 

[NickNitro]

We imagine the unknown based on the known. While it limits the possibilities it also allows us a way to discuss that unknown.

This literally reminded me of the quote from the WoW episode of southpark "How does one kill one which has no life!?" I dont know why. It just did lol

 

[superpower]

Food for thought:

Nearly 85% of the mass of the universe is dark matter that we can't directly see and its detection is still debatable to this day. The universe we see is only about 15% of the whole. Now if that doesn't put things into perspective about what we "know" then I don't know what does.

Another: theoretically there are 11 demensions. Ten space and one time. We observe 3 space and one time. The rest of the demensions are believed to be curled up on the plank scale that we will probably never have the power capabilities to detect nor see.

Frankly humans in our current evolutionary stage are little more than naked apes dipping our toes in an ocean of wonder.

I agree.

I meant what we know on an individual level. For example many people will envision (amongst other things like saucers) Hollywood alien ship when they think of a UFO. Because it's what they "know". I'm not saying we are at some pinnacle.

I should have said we take what we THINK we know and use it to characterize the unknown.

Mention a microbial extraterrestrial lifeform to a microbiologist and based on what they "think they know" they would/could imagine what that life form might be like.

 

[superpower]

This literally reminded me of the quote from the WoW episode of southpark "How does one kill one which has no life!?" I dont know why. It just did lol

Lmao I'm just not good at communication through the written word. I'm pretty damn good at drawing blood though.

 

[Doctor Evo]

There is a much higher probability that somewhere a much older civilization has discovered laws we have not that allows them to transverse space and time in a way our species may never figure out.

Two things:

1) Higher than what?

2) I was going to argue against this, but then I realized that you've already provided the appropriate counter-argument:

I've never accepted Einstein's limitations on faster than light travel as the final answer because he is a homo sapien and homo sapiens simply don't see or hold all the cards to make a claim like that.

That is an entirely unsupportable claim.