Darthphere
Kneel before 'Drox!
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Elijya said:really? when was the first time you [BLEEP]ed your [BLEEP]?
Summer of 66.
Elijya said:really? when was the first time you [BLEEP]ed your [BLEEP]?
Darthphere said:Ive read Vol.1 and hated the characters, I dont know how one can root for these characters since theyre so unlikeable. I dont know, if it was a what if I dont if I would like it or not, but yes I do hate the Ultimate line but it isnt some blind hatred for it.
Horrorfan said:I don't think they are unlikeable at all.....well not all of them.
Cap is old fashioned, in the good sense of the word. He takes no crap, stands up for what he knows is right and is highly chivilrous and trustworthy.
Banner, while he is kinda a jerk, iis kinda a bullied geek at heart, so you kinda root for him.
Nick Fury does what he has to do. He saves your ass no matter what he has to do to do it.
Essentially, more than any other title, these guys are more human....they all have different aspects to them. Maybe not all totally likeable, but definitly interesting. And Cap is a guy I would admire greatly in real life. He won't ever quit on you or leave you behind.
Darthphere said:Yeah, ill stick with Brubaker's 616 Cap who you know, actually has layers.
Horrorfan said:616 cap always seemed to lack balls to me for some reason. But this guy chases a wife beater and teaches him a lesson, and goes after a norse God by himself when he think's he's been set up. That's just ballsy right there.
Darthphere said:Yeah a Norse god who get his powers from a belt.616 Cap does everything Ultimate Cap does and doesnt act like a dick, go figure.
Horrorfan said:You mean like the real Norse god (of legend) did![]()
Ultimate Cap isn't a dick, he just isn't a *****.![]()
You learned nothing from the last time when we pointed out some of 616 Cap's badass feats, right? I really hate to have refer back to such events as him standing defiant to an omnipotent Thanos and trying to hit him. Don't get me wrong, I like Ultimate Cap just fine, but he's far from invoking the feeling you get when 616 Cap appears on the scene.Horrorfan said:616 cap always seemed to lack balls to me for some reason. But this guy chases a wife beater and teaches him a lesson, and goes after a norse God by himself when he think's he's been set up. That's just ballsy right there.
Darthphere said:How is 616 Cap a *****?
Harlekin said:You learned nothing from the last time when we pointed out some of 616 Cap's badass feats, right? I really hate to have refer back to such events as him standing defiant to an omnipotent Thanos and trying to hit him. Don't get me wrong, I like Ultimate Cap just fine, but he's far from invoking the feeling you get when 616 Cap appears on the scene.
"Oh, somebody is gonna get an ass-whooping now."
Horrorfan said:I can't explain it...he just never seemed as 'tough' as Ultimate Cap, so maybe ***** is the wrong word. He seems too much of a walkover, at least in terms of attitude.
Also Ultimate Cap took shots from the HUlk that would have squashed 616 like a bug and was still standing at the end.
Because I'm right.Darthphere said:For the record, im not hating on Ultimate Cap's badass feat just the fact that hes a dick.
Why did I quote you? I forget.
How is he a dick? That baffles me...Darthphere said:For the record, im not hating on Ultimate Cap's badass feat just the fact that hes a dick.
Why did I quote you? I forget.
Horrorfan said:How is he a dick? That baffles me...
Horrorfan said:Nope![]()
Darthphere said:Yeah, ill stick with Brubaker's 616 Cap who you know, actually has layers.
Harlekin said:You learned nothing from the last time when we pointed out some of 616 Cap's badass feats, right? I really hate to have refer back to such events as him standing defiant to an omnipotent Thanos and trying to hit him. Don't get me wrong, I like Ultimate Cap just fine, but he's far from invoking the feeling you get when 616 Cap appears on the scene.
"Oh, somebody is gonna get an ass-whooping now."
Darthphere said:I just think hes a dick, thats my opinion. I find 616 Cap to be a lot more interesting. I especially liked the part in the recent Brubaker series where he talks about how much he hates when people call the French cowards because they were right there with him fighting the Nazi's. 616 Cap has a lot kore emotional depth and isnt a government lap dog like his Ultimate counterpart, as seen several times including more recently Civil War. I dont care if you like Ultimate Cap more than 616 Cap, thats cool its your opinion, I dont like him. But to call 616 Cap a wuss or even say hes not as tough as Ultimate Cap is plain wrong.
The Question said:Just as saying that Ultimate Cap has no depth is just plain wrong. He's not some two dimensional badass yesman. He's a guy from a time where America was right, America's enemies were wrong, and that was the end of the arguement. Now, things are alot more complex, and he's having a hard time dealing with that. Remember, 616 Cap, as he is now, has had over a decade to adjust to the modern world. Ultimate Cap's had slightly over a year.
The Question said:Okay. Did you just read what I wrote. I shall repeat:
Ultimate Cap is from a time where the U.S. was right and the U.S.'s enemies were wrong, end of descusion. That's how Cap, as a soldier, thought and operated for years. Now he's been thrust into a time where things are much more complex, and he's coping as best he can. Remember, 616 Cap has had over a decade to cope with the changed times. Ultimate Cap has had little over a year.
The Question said:Why not?