Why are the Liberators/"bad guys" in the Ultimates all foreign?

[The Question]

Because I dont. I dont know how being a man out of time automatically means "hey I dont know how to be, let me be a dick." Yeah, yeah, I know hes more than just a dick, but you even admit hes a dick, and you like the character.

It's not simply because he's a man out of his time. He's a man out of his time, and who's time happened to be a time where the U.S. was the good guys at their enemies were the bad guys, no questions asked. That's how his brain works. He's yet to learn how to look at it any other way.

 

[Darthphere]

It's not simply because he's a man out of his time. He's a man out of his time, and who's time happened to be a time where the U.S. was the good guys at their enemies were the bad guys, no questions asked. That's how his brain works. He's yet to learn how to look at it any other way.

I get that, but as i said I dont care if you like him, its your opinion, I just dont, and probably never will.

 

[The Question]

I don't care if you don't care. That's not my point at all. What I'm saying is that he has alot more depth than simply being a dickish yesman.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't care if you don't care. That's not my point at all. What I'm saying is that he has alot more depth than simply being a dickish yesman.

If you want to believe that, thats fine. As i said, i dont care.

 

[The Question]

It's not a matter of beliefe. He does have alot more depth than that. Issue eight of the second volume really shows that.

 

[Darthphere]

It's not a matter of beliefe. He does have alot more depth than that. Issue eight of the second volume really shows that.

Its perception. You cant tell me its fact that he has depth, because I may perceive it differently.

 

[The Question]

I really don't think depth is a matter of opinion. Weather or not he's a good character is, but depth (which doesn't always equate good) is either there or it isn't.

 

[Darthphere]

I find it funny since you keep saying that line how he lived in a time where the US were the good guys and everybody else were the bad guys. Reminds me how shocked and dismayed 616 Cap was about the Japanese internment camps and stuff like the Truth mini-series.

 

[The Question]

Which, if memory serves, Cap didn't learn much about until years after the fact.

 

[Darthphere]

Which, if memory serves, Cap didn't learn much about until years after the fact.

Yeah there was that the whole frozen for years thing,

 

[The Question]

Yeah. What's with the confused smily?

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah. What's with the confused smily?

I just dont know where you were going with that comment.

 

[The Question]

I was saying that he didn't know much about the internment camps and the experimenting on black soldiers until many years after they happened. So, during the war, he was still in the mind set of "America is right." After being unfrozen, over a few years, he became a bit more wary of the government.

 

[Darthphere]

I was saying that he didn't know much about the internment camps and the experimenting on black soldiers until many years after they happened. So, during the war, he was still in the mind set of "America is right." After being unfrozen, over a few years, he became a bit more wary of the government.

Ah. Where I was going with it ws that Ultimate Cap probably wouldnt be that affected by finding something like that out (if its ever written in the comic).

 

[The Question]

He probably would be. Just because he hasn't really faced the information doesn't mean he'd be uneffected by it.

 

[Horrorfan]

I still have no clue how you could call him a dick in any way, shape, or form.

Because he believes what the government tell him?

Let me tell you, I have no illussions about the US Government, but you could do MUCH , much worse. As bad as things are now, I would take it over Iran or something any day.

 

[Cyclops]

If you want to believe that, thats fine. As i said, i dont care.

Yet you keep talking about it. You're very vocal about not caring, interestingly.

 

[Darthphere]

Yet you keep talking about it. You're very vocal about not caring, interestingly.

Interesting that you have nothing to add but some sarcastic remark.

 

[Darthphere]

I still have no clue how you could call him a dick in any way, shape, or form.

Because he believes what the government tell him?

Let me tell you, I have no illussions about the US Government, but you could do MUCH , much worse. As bad as things are now, I would take it over Iran or something any day.

I still have no clue how you could call 616 Cap a ***** so I guess were going to stay confused.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I still have no clue how you could call him a dick in any way, shape, or form.

Because he believes what the government tell him?

Let me tell you, I have no illussions about the US Government, but you could do MUCH , much worse. As bad as things are now, I would take it over Iran or something any day.

Or you could do better. The point of elected Democracies, in our case representative, is that you don't resign yourself to a sh---y Government, that when Election time comes you cast your vote for someone better (or if the current guy is doing a good job).

 

[Not Jake]

Ill admit, it was meant as a more sarcastic comment, but I saw that it bothered The Question so I played around with him.

and this is why darthphere is one of the top 10 coolest posters here. And really, when I count myself twice, that is pretty prestigious.

 

[Horrorfan]

Or you could do better. The point of elected Democracies, in our case representative, is that you don't resign yourself to a sh---y Government, that when Election time comes you cast your vote for someone better (or if the current guy is doing a good job).

Yes but the American people had that oppotunity, and failed. Don't get me wrong, I am not left wing at all, but even I was surprised people voted for the current administration again. So right now you got no one to blame for it except the people who voted him in again.

 

[Mr.Valentine]

Ult Cap is alot more of a dick-head than 616 Cap.
Dick Bad-asses>>Morally-correct bad-asses.

And the fact he jumps out of planes without parachutes is way too cool

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes but the American people had that oppotunity, and failed. Don't get me wrong, I am not left wing at all, but even I was surprised people voted for the current administration again. So right now you got no one to blame for it except the people who voted him in again.

Well apparently the people who voted Bush back in did not feel he was very sh---y at the time.

 

[Darthphere]

and this is why darthphere is one of the top 10 coolest posters here. And really, when I count myself twice, that is pretty prestigious.

This is going in my sig.