Why Can't DC Get it right? - Part 1

[batfreakforever]

I think batfreakforever needs to change his name to badmoviefreakforever.

Are you saying that you don't like other movies that others hate?
Thats impossible.

 

[IronManHype]

Some of you people come across as that you can never enjoy anything. Always have a problem with a product. Always something to nit pick. So your saying DC. Jeff johns. Zac Snyder and Ben Affleck don't understand Batman (who are also batman readers) because how he was done in BvS. It was their movie. They did it. And you say that how can anyone be a fan of batman in bvs isn't a batman fan?
BS.

Batman was nothing like the comics or animated Batman that I grew up with. Sure Snyder might be a Batman fan, but once he starts talking about rape with my favorite DC character I can't take him seriously.

 

[StormC]

You would take Cameron's words for an ad campaign seriously?

 

[batfreakforever]

Your posts are ignorant and often insulting. What you're saying is exactly what you're trying to devalue other people for saying. Most other people don't like what DC is doing. It's not working for them. So why do you think you coming in here and crowing about how this is all opinion and then turning around and telling us DC is working ok for you makes your minority opinion any more valid?

You also just admitted you're blindly biased. You said Batman trumps everything for you no matter what is released. Which means regardless of the quality, you'll automatically favor Batman, even when he's in awful movies just because it's Batman. How can you expect opinions like that to be taken seriously, or even believe they are good valid opinions. You must be kidding yourself.

Saying who cares if people didn't like it is really funny coming from you since you spend your time here trying to lecture others about what they think is wrong. Saying stuff like if BvS wasn't in your top 3 anticipated movies then you don't know entertainment. Who the hell are you to tell anyone what is entertainment? What made you the authority of what is entertaining to someone?

You got so hot under the collar about it they put you on probation for it a few weeks ago. You clearly care what other people think, that's why you get worked up about it. It annoys you when people criticize what you like. You should be used to it by now given some of the terrible movies you're a fan of.

You don't like most things they put out. Batman wasn't in an awful movie. BvS is fantastic. Are you telling me that you don't like films that others hate?
Thats impossible.
I like what DC are doing. There are bound to me fans like me out there. I liked something so why should I want it changed because others want it to?
I'm a Batman fan and are excited that we are getting regular Batman related films. I don't get hung up on many things like others do. Yes I was annoyed and hot headed a few weeks ago and I got in trouble for that. Entirely My fault. I like films that lots don't like. We all do.
You look down on me for liking films that others see as bad which is telling me that you think I don't know what entertainment is and you say who made me an authority on entertainment? Calling the kettle black huh?
BvS is my favourite movie already this year. Suicide Squad might do it but its not out yet. Ultimate cut of BvS might top that too. I also see all the other comic book movies at the cinema too but I just happen to enjoy the ones Batman a little bit more.
I enjoyed CW but it doesn't have the edge that I enjoy with Batman but I own and enjoy all the Marvel films.

 

[batfreakforever]

Batman was nothing like the comics or animated Batman that I grew up with. Sure Snyder might be a Batman fan, but once he starts talking about rape with my favorite DC character I can't take him seriously.

Its not ment to be the one you grew up with because its a new interpretation of him. That's the trap some fans fall into. They struggle to accept anything new thats not like what they grew up on.
Batman wasn't changed enough for him not to be Batman.

 

[StormC]

If the movie had completely new characters with the same story it would still have numerous problems.

 

[batfreakforever]

You would take Cameron's words for an ad campaign seriously?

Cameron doesn't owe anything to anyone. The filmmakers of genisys showed him the film. They said it respects Camerons movies. He agrees. Liked it and they obviously asked him to endorse it.
Plus the rights go back to him soon. He doesn't have anything to gain from endorsing these new films. He already did his job perfectly with the first two.

 

[IronManHype]

Its not ment to be the one you grew up with because its a new interpretation of him. That's the trap some fans fall into. They struggle to accept anything new thats not like what they grew up on.
Batman wasn't changed enough for him not to be Batman.

Batman turning into the Punisher was change enough for me.

 

[Docker2.0]

Its not ment to be the one you grew up with because its a new interpretation of him. That's the trap some fans fall into. They struggle to accept anything new thats not like what they grew up on.
Batman wasn't changed enough for him not to be Batman.

Is that you Zach?

 

[batfreakforever]

Is that you Zach?

Yes its me.

 

[batfreakforever]

So you are a blind fanboy that will buy any product with Batman on it? Cause I got that from your post. I love Batman too, but I hate seeing him in sub-par movies. It has happened too many times in my life time.

What I'm saying is no matter what I as a fan of the film I will continue to buy and enjoy whatever else related to the film regardless what critics or other fans say.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yes its me.

I hate you!

 

[IronManHype]

What I'm saying is no matter what I as a fan of the film I will continue to buy and enjoy whatever else related to the film regardless what critics or other fans say.

Cool. You can be edgy and unique. Just realize that the vast majority of Batman fans dont agree with you and want better interpretation for their favorite character.

 

[batfreakforever]

Cool. You can be edgy and unique. Just realize that the vast majority of Batman fans dont agree with you and want better interpretation for their favorite character.

Its Zac and Ben and dc and warners vision and I agree with them. I realise that people don't like it but I don't care and nor should I. Better is a matter of opinion.
Why should I consider others when I view it through my eyes and nobody elses?
I enjoyed it and should never have to justify it to others.
I realise they are tweeking some things to please the non fans of these versions but they won't comprise their overall vision.

 

[IronManHype]

Its Zac and Ben and dc and warners vision and I agree with them. I realise that people don't like it but I don't care and nor should I. Better is a matter of opinion.
Why should I consider others when I view it through my eyes and nobody elses?
I enjoyed it and should never have to justify it to others.
I realise they are tweeking some things to please the non fans of these versions but they won't comprise their overall vision.

No one is trying to justify your opinions, some people thought National Socialism was a good idea too (obviously im going very extreme). Just realize many people were unhappy with BvS and the DCEU as a whole and that there will be changes. Snyder is not going to have the complete control he once had.

 

[Cobblepot]

I kinda agree with Batfreakforever. I'm a big Batman fan since 1989, I was 9 y/o when I bought my first comic.
In almost every Batman movie there are a few iconic "Batman" moments that get me everytime.

Batman descending to go after the two thugs in Batman '89
Batman Forever, when Batman swings over rooftops.
Begins, docks scene

BvS, had quite a few of those moments. I love that. I notice that those are the things that get me goosebumps and boost my enjoyement a lot. For example TDKR had some great cinematic scenes, but not much iconic Batman scenes. I don't care much for that film. TDK had some great Joker scenes and one good Batman fight scene, it's the Joker that saves TDK for me personally not Batman. Batman was not done justice in TDK and TDKR.

 

[N30n]

Why can't DC Get It Right?

Because they hired this man.

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpuCi52UTqk[/YT]

They don't take comicbook movies seriously and it shows.

 

[The Joker]

You don't like most things they put out. Batman wasn't in an awful movie. BvS is fantastic. Are you telling me that you don't like films that others hate?
Thats impossible.
I like what DC are doing. There are bound to me fans like me out there. I liked something so why should I want it changed because others want it to?
I'm a Batman fan and are excited that we are getting regular Batman related films. I don't get hung up on many things like others do. Yes I was annoyed and hot headed a few weeks ago and I got in trouble for that. Entirely My fault. I like films that lots don't like. We all do.
You look down on me for liking films that others see as bad which is telling me that you think I don't know what entertainment is and you say who made me an authority on entertainment? Calling the kettle black huh?
BvS is my favourite movie already this year. Suicide Squad might do it but its not out yet. Ultimate cut of BvS might top that too. I also see all the other comic book movies at the cinema too but I just happen to enjoy the ones Batman a little bit more.
I enjoyed CW but it doesn't have the edge that I enjoy with Batman but I own and enjoy all the Marvel films.

What do you mean I don't like most things they put out? BvS is the first Batman movie I have strongly disliked since Batman and Robin in 1997.

Of course I like movies that other people dislike. Everybody does because no movie is universally loved. But the difference is you not only love the ones that are very unpopular or divisive to the point where you call them perfect or masterpieces (which is fine if you actually think that), but you get angry and annoyed at those who don't to the point that you degrade them and their opinions simply because they don't align with your own.

That's why I look down on you. Not because you like movies that others don't. That's your right. There's nothing wrong with that. It's how you present yourself because of it.

When you come into a thread crowing to everyone that what they're saying is just opinion, and then go into a ranting tirade about your own opinion, which is usually a minority one at that, as though what you're saying supersedes what everyone else says, it makes you look like a hypocrite.

 

[Skrilla31]

Just a thought, what if WB tried to do Batman and Superman in 3D animation? This way they can stay the course on the current film universe and also reboot the characters in another medium.

These characters feel ripe for a modern age animated feature. I bet you they would be amazing.

Also it's not like these 3D animated movies don't make bank.

 

[Rowsdower!]

That's a good idea. I'm not a big fan of animated films myself but if they did some stunning CGI animation like Pixar does, that could really be something special. (Unless of course they make it the DC Animated Murderverse with Supermute and Blandman).

 

[Boy Scout]

Nah. I'm ready for definitive, live action versions. If I want to watch a cartoon, I'll stream it on Netflix.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'm completely uninterested in either studios making animated universes. Live action or bust.

 

[ernesth100]

Imo, DC got it right, the public just needs time to get used to the DC way of things. When that happens it'll all be a-ok. Suicide Squad will be the tipping point and from there it'll be smooth sailing for DC, bet on it.

 

[Copper Crow]

DCEU isn't a complete lost cause. BvS was a disappointment for me, but I can see pieces that were outstanding.

- Ben Affleck's Batman was near perfect. A bit TOO violent, but tonally; perfect.
- I honestly wish they would just let Henry Cavill's natural charisma and personality
come out in these films because he is a natural delight during interviews... But we
don't get that in MoS or BvS. They've made Superman an introvert who lacks any
confidence to portray the role of a leader in any shape or form. I could excuse MoS
as a film about Clark Kent/Superman finding himself film, but to continue that dep-
pressing attitude and aura in BvS just solidifies that they don't understand
Superman.
- I could spend all day rehashing every plot hole that someone else already
mentioned before me, but I'm only going to bring up the two that make me
shake my head the most:

1) In Man of Steel, it takes Lois all of 10/15 minutes (film time) to figure out
Superman's identity and the identity of his mother. But in BvS, Batman- who
is iconic for the title of "WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE" never figures out
who Superman or his mother are.... Which brings me onto my next grief...

2) Piss poor writing: I get what they were trying to do w/ the whole "Martha"
bit between Batman and Superman. I truly do understand what they were going
for, but it was lazy as hell. It's as if they came across this interesting little "factoid"
about both Superman and Batman and they just NEEDED to base the entire film off
of that. They were more desperate to fit that into the film than give an actual
reason as to why these two heroes should stop fighting. What's more is, it was
anything but organic. What mother-loving son calls their mother by their first
name? Why would you say to a complete stranger beating the crap out of you,
"Save Martha?" Again, I get what they were trying to do, but the natural format
for Clark Kent, who LOVES HIS MOTHER would've been, "Save my mother!"
The writers wanted to think their selves smart by having Superman say "Save
Martha," but in all reality, it was just lazy writing.

- Lex Luthor is universally known as an outwardly controlled individual/inwardly
psychotic. In every way Jessie Eisenberg's Lex Luthor was anything BUT Lex Luthor.
It was the twitchiness of the character during his party speech that solidified in my
mind that they screwed up with Lex Luthor. They likened him to The Riddler or The
Joker and I see Lex Luthor and the Joker as complete opposites: Where Lex Luthor
is outwardly in control/inwardly psychotic, the Joker is outwardly psychotic/inwardly
in control.
- Finally, Superman's Death. Zack Snyder pissed all over that moment by putting it
in this film. This is the second film for Henry Cavill's Superman. It can hardly be
considered a sequel. To put his death so soon in the DCEU takes away all the
gravity that his death SHOULD HAVE HAD! It wasn't earned and it was empty.
Had Superman's death occurred 4 to 5 films in, after the Justice League was made,
after the relationships were solidified, and after the audience became invested into
this character, the amount of weight and emotion would've truly been felt and it
would've been genuine with the audience. It would've been the most emotional
moment in any superhero film to date... But Snyder sold it completely short by
tossing it into this film along with damn near everything else.

I liked BvS. I wanted to love it, but it fell short. That being said, there were moments in the film that makes me say that the DCEU still has an amazing opportunity to be something amazing. The cast is stellar and even though I'm not keen on a couple acting choices or character directions, I can say that the cast place a massive amount of depth into their characters and did an extremely great job. Snyder can paint a pretty picture, no one can deny that. But he can't tell a story if his life depended on it. What truly bothers me is his inability to juggle multiple plots at once or his inability to know when enough is enough. BvS had too many plots to juggle at once, Snyder wanted to tackle too much of the DCEU in this one film and it showed. I can't wait to see what Suicide Squad has to bring to the table. From all accounts it sounds pretty good... But I remember the early screenings about BvS and they were positive too.

 

[Docker2.0]

Imo, DC got it right, the public just needs time to get used to the DC way of things. When that happens it'll all be a-ok. Suicide Squad will be the tipping point and from there it'll be smooth sailing for DC, bet on it.

Wait! So it's the public's fault that they don't like BvS? You can't be serious!