Why does everyone hate The Batman?

[hunter_hippie]

The only reason most Bat fans hate THE BATMAN is because BTAS existed.

Pretty good reason if you ask me.

That's like saying that fans of U.S. Hockey should hate all Olympic teams since 1980, since they set the bar when they won the gold medal. (The U.S. previously had won in 1960 - so, all the teams between 1960 and 1980 sucked?)

Just because the bar has been set high in the past, doesn't mean that future attempts shouldn't be made. They should be able to stand on their own merits without being compared to what's happened previously. Unfortunately, I've found it's the short sighted/closed minded members of society who can't let the past go and live in the present. It must be hard, being negative about something you supposedly 'love' so much.

 

[Darthphere]

That's like saying that fans of U.S. Hockey should hate all Olympic teams since 1980, since they set the bar when they won the gold medal. (The U.S. previously had won in 1960 - so, all the teams between 1960 and 1980 sucked?)

Just because the bar has been set high in the past, doesn't mean that future attempts shouldn't be made. They should be able to stand on their own merits without being compared to what's happened previously. Unfortunately, I've found it's the short sighted/closed minded members of society who can't let the past go and live in the present. It must be hard, being negative about something you supposedly 'love' so much.

Do you like remakes on movies? Its pretty much the same argument, why do something again if its already been done much better? Its not a we cant accept change thing its we dont accept change when its not necessary. At least thats what i think. But hey if you like The Batman more power to you, im not stopping anyone from enjoying the show. Hell I showe my 7 year old nephew The Batman and the kid loves it, havent gotten around to showing him BTAS.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The only reason most Bat fans hate THE BATMAN is because BTAS existed.

Pretty good reason if you ask me.

No, BTAS just really set the bar really high for a Batman cartoon. Most people hate The Batman because it is not set for an older demographic.

 

[Katsuro]

The only reason most Bat fans hate THE BATMAN is because BTAS existed.

Pretty good reason if you ask me.

It's not my reason. My reasons are:

-Terrible animation. Seriously, i'm sick of this anime crap infecting everything, now it's in Batman? He looks more like Jackie Chan than Bruce Wayne. The costume's also terrible, he has no ears. And that cape? His cape is supposed to be scalloped like bats wings, not spikey. Look at him when his cape is outstretched, does that resemble a bats wings at all?

-Batmans too fast. The appeal of Batman for me was always that he was heavily grounded in reality. Sure, he had a few superpowered villains, but who he was and what he could do was always kept pretty realistic. In this show, he's practically the Flash. A villain punches, and bam! Batmans on the other side of him. Batman shouldn't move that fast

-It's aimed at kids. These days they censor practically everything. They cant say the word "kill", they cant even have real guns! What is it i see the cops on this show using? they look like some kind of laser pistol. I dont rmemeber ever seeing one fired, but i've seen them holding them, and my Nerf gun looks more realistic than those do.

There are other reasons, but those are my big ones. I hate this show, and hate the fact that it's tainting a new generations image of Batman, just like the 60s series did. I'm only glad Nolans film exist to counterbalance that and show the general public that Batman's not just for kids, and that he doesn't need a special suit or gadget for every villain he fights.

 

[Binker]

Maybe the guns in TB:

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[GreatWhiteShark]

I love this cartoon. Any idea when new episodes will show?

 

[DarKush]

The Batman is all right, but it seriously pales in comparison to B:TAS and Batman Beyond.

My nitpicks:
-Don't care for the animation style. B:TAS made a statement with the Art Deco look. TB is just following trends.
-Don't like the changes to the villians. The only villian appearance change that I liked was Bane. I really liked the black uniform and mask, even the grotesque red skinned Venomized form. I don't get the change in Mr. Freeze. Also don't like the Riddler, Penguin, or Joker. Poison Ivy is all right. I can understand the reasoning for the change in Clayface's origin, but it doesn't do anything for me.
-Ellen Yin & Batgirl are fine with me. I sort of like how they went with Batgirl instead of Robin as Batman's partner.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Ive only seen the one ep with Freeze in it but he totally sucked.

and so does the Joker.

but I dont watch it often.

 

[hunter_hippie]

I love this cartoon. Any idea when new episodes will show?

May sweeps.

 

[antonydelfini]

it aint baman

 

[trustyside-kick]

Do not really like the character re-vamps. That is one of the main things that bother me.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Batman=75% awful, 20% decent and 5 % terrible.

 

[dcbmp]

The Batman sucks. Why?

1. The guns. It reminds me of the days when the FCC said you couldn't show "real" guns, and Spider-Man, X-Men, etc. ALL had to comply. Hence NYPD officers carrying wierd Buck Rodgers like weapons. Same with TB.

2. Since when is Bruce "hip" and like Jackie Chan?

3. Puns.

4. Mr Freeze. BTAS's Freeze was THE best cartoon VILLIAN EVER. Compelling, better than the comic version, one of the few villians you cared about. TB's Mr. Freeze is a joke who says "have an ice day"

5. Since when are Batman's batarangs half his size.

6. Great animation instead of good plots. Example. Which did you like better? The Matrix (***** plot with some but not great fight scenes) or The Matrix Revolutions(Awesome fight scenes 'Neo vs agents, car chase, etc......horrible plot)?

 

[dcbmp]

So, thanks to Hippie_Hunter, we've proven that The Batman and JLU are in the same universe! Thanks Hippie! You rock!

No, they're not. Anyone can see that. The BTAS, STAS, TNBA, BB, JLU verse is SEPERATE from the TB verse, the Superfriends verse, etc. Think of it as earth's 616, 615, etc.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Just wanted to give kudos to hippie_hunter. Why is it that most of these conversations get out of hand? Especially in regards to "The Batman." Just so it's out there, I'm 23yrs. old (as if that really matters anyways) and I also grew up w/Batman: The Animated Series. I own all the volumes and am looking forward to JL & BB next week. To be completely honest, I LOVE the Timmverse. Imo, there's just nothing greater. The Batman, however isn't aimed at my age group. I had my time. As stated earlier, the Timmverse isn't gone, it's cemented itself in both DC and animation HISTORY.

I wish the Timmverse wasn't mistreated by CN and WB, but I'm certainly glad that universe expanded into what it is today. C'mon, '92-'06 is a Damn good run. Let's hand it over to the kids. Let's introduce the new generation to Batman. I've read comments here saying that this is the WRONG way to introduce a new generation to Batman. Really? and Adam West's camp-fest WAS??? Give me a break. You know, the re-runs of the 60's Batman tv show was my first glimpse of the Dark Knight. In spite of the silliness, I grew to like the different adaptations of Batman. Everything from the comics, to cartoons, movies, etc. Hell, if I was able to discover the Legend that is Batman practically on my own, so can this generation of viewers.

All it takes is ONE show to get kids attention. They'll stumble on The Dark Knight Returns, they'll want to see ALL the Batman movies released before their time, they'll want to see the Timmverse. Give them some damn credit and move on. We've got hours upon hours of 'toons under our utility belts preserved on DVD (w/more to come), would it kill you to envision something that DOESN'T belong to you concerning Batman?

I will admit, The Batman isn't the greatest interpretation of the caped crusader, but I'm OK with that. I've found it to be enjoyable/entertaining. Just because I enjoy it, doesn't make me a mindless individual either. I'm simply content w/what TIMM invested his time in (all of us), and am glad the focus is being put on a new generation of Bat-fans. Oh, and YES, Batman will always be a commercial property because the character is such a HUGE part of pop culture...much like Supes. Wherever there is a movie/tv show, there will be toys, deal with it. We made these heroes part of Americana. We are responsible for this character's success (not excluding older fans). You can't sit here and tell me that none of you have EVER boughten movie/tv show based action figures/t-shirts/pj's/etc. It's pointless to sit here and complain that The Batman is a commercial for toys. He-Man or Ninja Turtles anyone?

To those who do enjoy this show: Continue enjoying it! Have fun w/it. IF you're new to the world of the dark knight, go out and read up on The Batman. Tell your friends about the comics. Catch up on the older movies and serials. Have FUN. Also to all of you "The Batman" lovers, thanks for convincing me to check out this show! I'm actually off to buy the Season 1 dvd in a few

You changed my views on this show. You made a crapload of good points. It isn't the Batman we grew up with and all. Not saying I like the show, but now I am sorry for ever insulting it in other threads.

 

[MangleBoP]

A LOT of things are... less than perfect about "The Batman", but they do have a really neat take on Mr.Freeze. His retatarded ice puns aside, his origin, powers, & look are all pretty "cool".

 

[Silver Sable]

Mr.Freeze does indeed look good and so does Killer Croc

 

[Darthphere]

A LOT of things are... less than perfect about "The Batman", but they do have a really neat take on Mr.Freeze.

A broing one to say the least.

 

[MangleBoP]

A broing one to say the least.

Really? So you think implying that Victor Freis and Joe Chill are one and the same is "boring"?

 

[Darthphere]

Really? So you think implying that Victor Freis and Joe Chill are one and the same is "boring"?

I think Victor Fries as random bank robber with powers is a boring concept.

 

[MangleBoP]

I think Victor Fries as random bank robber with powers is a boring concept.

Now that he has powers, his schemes are a bit...grander.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Now that he has powers, his schemes are a bit...grander.

But that is not the point of Freeze, he is supposed to be a villain that is tragic and is a villain the viewer is supposed to sympathise for. You don't sympathise for a common thug bank robber

 

[MangleBoP]

But that is not the point of Freeze, he is supposed to be a villain that is tragic and is a villain the viewer is supposed to sympathise for. You don't sympathise for a common thug bank robber

True, and that is one of "The Batman"'s many flaws: poor charecterization. However, Mr.Freeze didn't really have an origin in the comics until B:TAS, so the change only bothers me a little.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Mr.Freeze does indeed look good and so does Killer Croc

Killer Croc looks like a dinosuar in The Batman. Better design then BTAS and TNBAS I guess. I really disliked the BTAS Croc...and he was light blue too. Although...I guess you could take into account that his mutation was not as severe at first.

 

[jaydawg]

So I guess a gray tone means light blue these days.