Why does everyone hate The Batman?

[Warhammer]

The Batman is nothing more to me than a show to watch just for the sake of watching it and killing time. Dont get me wrong, i dont 100% hate it, but strongly dislike it.

Now, JLU is something i look forward to watching and enjoying.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I don't like the animation

I don't like how they've changed the characters so much

I don't like the look of the characters, The Joker expecially


But has this show changed any? I haven't watched it since December?

 

[hippie_hunter]

3) In TNBA; I hated, somewhat, that Batman turned hatefuil in my eyes in certain episodes. That was continued in Batman Beyond.

Batman is a hateful person. For the longest time he has hated Hal Jordan for the Paralax fiasco. He hates Green Arrow, Hawkman, Zatanna, and Ray Palmer for mindwiping him and Catwoman, only forgiving Black Canary for their actions (because he trusts her most likely due to her partnership with Oracle). A day doesn't go by where he dreams of killing the Joker by his own hand. He hates Lesile for withholding treatmen to the Spoiler intentionally. He hated Artemis for becomming Wonder Woman and refused to let her sit at Diana's seat in the JLA. He only fully trusts Batgirl, Nightwing, Robin, Oracle, the Huntress, Catwoman, Black Canary, Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Martian Manhunter. Batman these days is basically a *****ebag.

The Batman is a great show...so was BTAS...so was SuperFriends...so was the filmation's Batman show. Its all perspective. I remember watching BTAS when I was young. I was so excited with that show, and Batman '89/Batman Returns and I was starting getting the comics which at that time was the Knightfall series. I LOVED BATMAN! I couldn't wait to see it when I got home from school and my dad loved it that he either knew what would happen in the next episode or recorded it for me if the time changed or I was late coming home.

The Aquaman fanboy in me is angry at you for liking the Superfriends

 

[Binker]

I don't like Superfriends. I mentioned it because I was talking about the various Batman cartoons/animations.

 

[LexCorp]

The Batman,
Not the best incarnation of the story I have seen but it is not vomit inducing. I do not give it a hard time but it is obviously a cheap attempt to cash in on the Batman Begins movie and the recent re birth of the franchise. As over here in the UK Batman Begins was released then came a cheap animated version of (animated) Jackie Chan playing The Batman. I have watched a lot of it but it has never grabbed me fully and made me go COOL

 

[Binker]

Like in Q&A for example, the thing that made the story good was that it was a father/son moment with Bruce and Alfred on how much Bruce wasn't even a child after the parents murder and how much, in Alfred's mind, he's been obsessed becoming Batman that makes him sad that he became this. That added already known in Season One that Alfred only had love for Bruce, and not Batman. Until Season Two where he accepted.

But it was the bad FAT design of Cluemaster and his plan to retake a quiz show's questions to the ones who ran it and the one who won it that kinda shaked up the episode and shadowed over the one good thing of it.

That's just my thought.

 

[hunter_hippie]

But it was the bad FAT design of Cluemaster and his plan to retake a quiz show's questions to the ones who ran it and the one who won it that kinda shaked up the episode and shadowed over the one good thing of it.

Please. As if the Cluemaster was ever a good character in the first place. Any change to the character is a good change. Fat, bald, female, purple skin, whatever - any and all would improve the character on the whole. If that was really all that held you back from liking Q&A, you really need to re-evaluate your criteria for liking/disliking an ep.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Please. As if the Cluemaster was ever a good character in the first place. Any change to the character is a good change. Fat, bald, female, purple skin, whatever - any and all would improve the character on the whole. If that was really all that held you back from liking Q&A, you really need to re-evaluate your criteria for liking/disliking an ep.

But they made the Cluemaster even worse, and thats kinda hard to do because the Cluemaster is easily one of the worst villains in Batman's Rogues Gallery next to Eggman, King Snake, Pre-Dini Mr. Freeze, and Maxie Zeus.

 

[Darthphere]

But they made the Cluemaster even worse, and thats kinda hard to do because the Cluemaster is easily one of the worst villains in Batman's Rogues Gallery next to Eggman, King Snake, Pre-Dini Mr. Freeze, and Maxie Zeus.

Dont forget Crazy Quilt.

 

[Silver Sable]

Eggman

Who's that? Sounds like a mimic from Sonic

 

[Binker]

I don't know if he meant Egghead but Egghead is whom Vincent Price played in the '60s Batman show in the third season when they were creating villians on their own.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

i just think it sounds stupid as they always add "the " in there before batman.

its always the batman.

why can't they just say he look its batman.

legal troubles or something?

 

[droogiedroogie2]

No, no, I like this "Eggman" idea.

See, he's like Mr. Freeze. Dolphus Egg's wife fell prey to a tragic illness, and while he was trying to come up with a way to cure it, he had to freeze her in time using a complex egg-related process. His employer discovered what he was doing, though, and shut the whole thing down. Hysterically, Dolphus tried to save his wife, but was instead bombarded by eggs. He was presumed dead, but he re-emerged as Eggman, an empty "shell" of a man, drained of the yolk that is his soul. He must be encased at all times in a large egg-shaped glass shell that protects him from the elements, because his skin was rendered useless thanks to the super-saturation of egg material it recieved during the accident. He powers this egg-shaped vehicle with the only known material that can supply the right kind of fuel--egg shells. He commits grocery-store robberies to steal massive quantities of eggs, using the shells to power his vehicle and the yolk and white as ammunition for his deadly egg-innards-guns. These guns convert yolk and eggwhite into toxic goo, then fire them out rapidly at enemies.

 

[hunter_hippie]

But they made the Cluemaster even worse,

Not possible.

 

[hunter_hippie]

i just think it sounds stupid as they always add "the " in there before batman.

its always the batman.

why can't they just say he look its batman.

legal troubles or something?

No, that's his name. The Batman. Not just Batman. It's like The Flash - not just Flash. Wonder Woman and Superman do not have a 'the' preceeding their name.

 

[Prognosticator]

The animation sucks. The stories aren't original enough for a revamp. As a huge Bat-fan, I don't believe they do justice to the characters, themselves. The quote "new" stories, feel rehashed and watered down versions of bat-stories I've seen before...The originatity that could have been established has been completely sucked dry from this series!

 

[Darthphere]

No, that's his name. The Batman. Not just Batman. It's like The Flash - not just Flash. Wonder Woman and Superman do not have a 'the' preceeding their name.

Funny, ive always seen Batman on his comics never The Batman. But of course this cartoon is just about being different with no regards to any actual quality.

 

[Binker]

He was called THE BAT-MAN in '39. And in the first story that was unpublished in 1934, guess how was Superman was referred? THE SUPERMAN.

Its probably just a throwback in the past.

BTW, people may argue that as proved in "Thunder" the city relies TOO MUCH on Batman even on a madman with a building destroying ship. Well I rewatched that episode and that isn't highly the case. Gordon wanted to wait til Batman came and did something, but it was Mayor Grange who said that they shouldn't rely on one man for a situation like that.

I sure hope someone from the crew sees my story pitch.

 

[Darthphere]

He was called THE BAT-MAN in '39. And in the first story that was unpublished in 1934, guess how was Superman was referred? THE SUPERMAN.

Its probably just a throwback in the past.

BTW, people may argue that as proved in "Thunder" the city relies TOO MUCH on Batman even on a madman with a building destroying ship. Well I rewatched that episode and that isn't highly the case. Gordon wanted to wait til Batman came and did something, but it was Mayor Grange who said that they shouldn't rely on one man for a situation like that.

I sure hope someone from the crew sees my story pitch.

I really doubt its a throwback. And you analyze these episodes way too much.

 

[raybia]

It's a pretty good show, not as good as Batman: TAS but so what? The fight scenes are much better. Batman's movements are also much more acrobatic, which I like.

I hate it because every 5 or 6 weeks when I get a chance to watch it, its always a rerun.

 

[droogiedroogie2]

He was called THE BAT-MAN in '39. And in the first story that was unpublished in 1934, guess how was Superman was referred? THE SUPERMAN.

That wasn't Superman. You clearly didn't read the story. This is what happens when you kids try to act as if you understand history (and this is really a problem that goes far beyond pop culture) without actually doing your homework. Just becuase it was by the same guys, and it had a Superman character in it, that doesn't mean it was remotely the same dude. Also, please learn grammar. It isn't hard. I know I use a lot of run-on sentences, but I am aware of that when I do it and it doesn't obscure my meaning. "guess how was Superman was referred" is just bad.

 

[Binker]

That wasn't Superman. You clearly didn't read the story. This is what happens when you kids try to act as if you understand history (and this is really a problem that goes far beyond pop culture) without actually doing your homework.

Your half right. I did know what that story was about. But beyond that, that was it. But I'm not a kid. 20 years of age equals that I'm a adult. And can have Jury Duty, but can't call my dad if I'm arrested.

 

[Binker]

I just realized that The Batman, theres a chance that its next season or the fifth season will be its last. Because animated shows these days; 52 episodes or 5 seasons is the number a show can last long.

The only way a show could last more to a 5th season(the 5th would lead to 65 episodes total) or beyond that is if theres a demand for it. So far, I've, and others, have heard nothing wrong on the toy fronts which is the main thing for animated shows.

5 seasons is what X-Men: Evolution has but it almost got a 6th season and would have if it wasn't cancelled. Teen Titans has 5 seasons and we knew about its cancellation during that final season, and that has 65 episodes total. And together of JL/JLU, same as Teen Titans. Or will they break away from that and do more seasons than regular shows these days have?

Because if 5 is what they'll get and have, they better bring more of dark elements to the show and quick. I read one of the interviews, and I knew it, they're planning to make it dark. I read one of the interviews and Matsuda said he is explaining the steps Batman took from the young, fully trained, learning the ropes masked avenger to the slightly older ('30-ish lets say), DARK-er knight capred cursader.

I did have this new idea for Season 4, the next DTV, and season 5. I hope to God that if Matsuda sees that at LoG or somewhere he'l use it but I don't know. Its good, mind you.

As much as I would like to, I don't see The Batman going more than five seasons without SOME level of re-structuring. Maybe spin-offs like the next series is a Superman series, which Matsuida wants to do. But maybe instead of a Superman series, its a Superman/Batman series or perhaps a Wonder Woman show and a new JL, JLA series. We don't know, but fun to think about.

With the possibility of the show ending at season 5, going to that or beyond that for a continuation for the show would mean change. Change always happens, reformating always happens, re-structuring always happens, all this to the shows to move it along, evovle, and enhance, improve. Of couse, like BTAS. If theres still a demand for it, it might continue from there. But after 4-5 seasons, the show would need to be enhanced, improve, and reconstruct

Matsuda said this series is all about Batman becoming to the point he is now in the comics and what he remember him as. If Matsuda's plan is still sticking,.That's why I think Robin will be a teenager in season 4 so Nightwing can be introduce in this series early than never, like in the 5th. To hit the relationship with Batgirl more, or ALOT more.

That's why I believe my idea can work.

But....this sounds like a new topic.....what do you think? NO bashing, no saying "Yes! this show won't last that long, YES!", what do you think of this show lasting into/beyond its fifth season and the demand for more? And it being reconstructed during this time and new shows of the DCAU?

 

[droogiedroogie2]

I just realized that The Batman, theres a chance that its next season or the fifth season will be its last.

Best thing you've said in this thread.

The only way a show could last more to a 5th season(the 5th would lead to 65 episodes total) or beyond that is if theres a demand for it. So far, I've, and others, have heard nothing wrong on the toy fronts which is the main thing for animated shows.

Well at least you admit that the only thing driving The Batman is marketing. The entire show is about selling toys, not about respecting the Batman mythos.

Because if 5 is what they'll get and have, they better bring more of dark elements to the show and quick. I read one of the interviews, and I knew it, they're planning to make it dark. I read one of the interviews and Matsuda said he is explaining the steps Batman took from the young, fully trained, learning the ropes masked avenger to the slightly older ('30-ish lets say), DARK-er knight capred cursader.

"Dark" to Matsuda means not showing daylight. He doesn't understand the concept of a dark Batman.

I did have this new idea for Season 4, the next DTV, and season 5. I hope to God that if Matsuda sees that at LoG or somewhere he'l use it but I don't know. Its good, mind you.

You're 20, you say? Surely you know by now that no major company anywhere ever will accept solicitations for legal reasons, no matter how much you protest that you want no compensation. It simply can't be done.

But maybe instead of a Superman series, its a Superman/Batman series or perhaps a Wonder Woman show and a new JL, JLA series.

Don't you even joke about that. If Matsuda ****s up the Justice League, I'm never watching Cartoon Network again.

But after 4-5 seasons, the show would need to be enhanced, improve, and reconstruct

If by "enhanced, improve, and reconstruct," you mean completely overhaul the storyline, redesign the characters so they actually look a little like they're supposed to, and disavow all episodes of the previous seasons, then yeah, I think that could work.

But....this sounds like a new topic.....what do you think? NO bashing, no saying "Yes! this show won't last that long, YES!", what do you think of this show lasting into/beyond its fifth season and the demand for more? And it being reconstructed during this time and new shows of the DCAU?

Don't try to pretend this is the DCAU. It's not. This is the Matsudaverse. It's separated from the real DCAU, the Timmverse, by it's ridiculous character designs, ******ed and one-dimensional villains and origin stories, and completely incompetent Batman with invisible Bat-ears.

 

[I am Batman]

What is Matsuda's full name? I want to check out what else this guy has done.