Ok, generally i'd just ignore you at this point, but I laid out pretty comprehensively my reasons why TDK is badly written in previous posts. I'll put them in bullets:
- the movie frequently goes off at tangents simply to fit in action sequences (HK and the finale)
- Bruce Wayne's conflict about giving up being Batman is completely irrational - he's about to give himself up, he seems completely casual about it and this is meant to be the biggest thing in his life - a psychological need
- Even that doesn't make sense because surely he doesn't believe that would be the end of The Joker's rampage?
- There are too many characters that are there simply to move the plot along and perform no other function (Morgan Freeman, the weasly auditor amongst many)
- The majority of the twists are borne along through cliches and coincidences rather than character driven
- the dialogue absolutely clunks, particularly Gary Oldman's closing speech
- the final third of the film is just sloppy attempts to tie up the plotlines. A pointless action scene that added nothing, other than to show how bruce Wayne will only go so far to catch The Joker and that Morgan Freeman's "just" morally flexible enough to help him
- the final confrontation between Batman and The Joker is such a letdown.
- Two Face is so completely underwritten and his transformation, being so key to the film's theme, is just rushed through for the stupid "Gotham needs it's hero"
That's a quick synopsis of the poor writing and story development. despite that, as I've said - I ENJOYED IT. I just wish people would stop making out like it's some amazing piece of cinema when it's so deeply flawed.
Also, it was written by Chris and Jonathan Nolan, not Jonah Nolan or any variant thereof.
Now I'll answer your points:
said it was bad writing, so basically, you are saying you are a better writer than Jonah and Chris Nolan? Hmmm...highly improbable.
I said nothing of the sort. I said TDK was an example of bad writing in points. Memento is an example of great writing. Both involved Jonathan Nolan, who wrote some short stories I really loved.
But when you come here, slating a film that is universally praised, you better be prepared to back up your statement.
I did, I have. And this film is not "universally praised. take a quick look at metacritic and look at the bottom. There were more than a few critics who either thought it was a bit ropey or felt it was good with serious flaws (my position).
It seems you are using your "higher education" to look down on people and to try and give you some validation
I wasn't looking down on anyone, you claimed I was misinformed and misguided - that's pretty dismissive considering you haven't offered me any counter argument for TDK's flawless greatness. I made the statement about my professiopn to show that, while you may not agree with me, i am certainly entitled to my informed opinion.
I know a good film when I see it, me being a fan of Batman is irrelevant. TDK was a great, great film.
Entirely subjective. i disagree. We are both entitled to our opinion - I never dismissed yours.
I didn't insult you. You came in, out of the blue and said TDK is a badly written film. When it is CLEARLY not.
Sorry, do i have to announce my statement of intent? Anyway, I only mentioned TDK in reply to Jebhb's post (#20):
dft, I know you didn't care for War Zone, which even though I liked I have to admit had many problems. But you also felt The Dark Knight was overrated. I'm just curious what are some of your favorite films. What would you list as some good movies.
And then listed some films I like. I liked TDK, but people are over the score when it appears in the top ten movies of all time. Overrated much? Even Chris Nolan took a backward step from that one.
If you was always right and you really was a great writer, more so than the Nolans you would be doing more than what you do.
only if Hollywood's the goal and only if you've got access to the markets. More than anything else, I'm a comics guy - that's what i like making. But if the offer was there, I'd take it.
So get off your high horse and explain your reasons better than just saying "Well I am a proffesional script writer, that makes me always right!"
i never said any such thing. you tried to dismiss my opinion because you don't agree with it. I explained why I have enough knowledge to base an opinion on some professional expertise. I never said I was Robert Towne or anything.
And finally, what do you reckon is the best comic book movie ever? HHmmmm I reckon you'll say Superman: The Movie.
Are you going to seriously tell me it's not in the top 5?
Anyway, i'd pick X2 - an almost perfect mix of story, character, humour and action. And it's got Anna Paquin in it.