Worried About X3? Post Your Misgivings Here

[TheSumOfGod]

No way it's gonna be as bad as T3. T3 turned everything into a freakin' JOKE and completely disregarded continuity in many aspects, they couldn't even get the Terminator's name right. It's T-800, series 101, NOT "T-101". Jeez.

It's as if they renamed Professor X "Professor C", because of "Charles" instead of "Xavier".

 

[NateGray]

The FF movie is perfect proof of this. FF fans should have been outraged and have marched unto 20th Century Fox studios and set the building on fire for what they did to Doctor Doom, but no, there are still thousands of PR-brainwashed suckers who think that the FF movie wasn't that bad, despite the fact that it was truly horrible.

You do know the FF was based on the ultimate FF where they have potrayed Doom very poorly and he did apparently get his powers in the ultimate version the same way as the FF gained there's.
So as badly as it was done it was semi based of the new comics and there version of Doom sadly not the Dr Doom we wanted as fans.

 

[Octoberist]

No way it's gonna be as bad as T3. T3 turned everything into a freakin' JOKE and completely disregarded continuity in many aspects, they couldn't even get the Terminator's name right. It's T-800, series 101, NOT "T-101". Jeez.

It's as if they renamed Professor X "Professor C", because of "Charles" instead of "Xavier".

LOL. I like your Proffesor C analogy.

I know..Terminator 3 sucked. Plus, I felt that the TX (hot) is a downgrade, when compared to the superior T-1000. By making the TX into a hot girl, it's more of a gimmick

 

[Halcohol]

Yes it just sucked sooo bad it made 300 million+
Sorry but I disagree with just about everything you say about Revenge of the Sith.

I am sorry you didn't like it and there were parts I was not to happy with but overall I thought it was a decent closing to the story and a well made movie.
Bashing it for parts you didn't like does not change the facts more people liked the movie than didn't like it.

Yes, but you have to look at the big picture when comparing Episode III to X3.

Revenge of the Sith was a story in the making for basically 30 years. By this time last year, almost every single person who'd ever seen Star Wars wanted to see Episode III so they could finally find out how Anakin Skywalker turned into Darth Vader. It was going to be the last Star Wars movie ever made, who would want to miss that? In essence, a lot of people liked EP3 because, well, it wasn't as crappy as EPs 1 and 2.

With X3 though, it doesn't pervade pop culture to the same level Star Wars did. The Last Stand has had to build on a fan base that's only been exposed to the material for 5 years as opposed to 30. With Star Wars having been around so long, everybody was essentially 'brainwashed' into wanting to see Episode III. You couldn't help it.

There's a lot more people willing to be disappointed with X-Men 3 because they haven't been exposed to the previous 2 movies all their lives. Even if you didn't like Star Wars, Empire, or Return of the Jedi when you first saw them, by now you've seen them a hundred times and they've grown on you.

The X-universe hasn't quite had time to do that yet, at least not in regards to the movies. Because of this, there's a lot more skeptical minds out there.

That having been said, I'm moderately optimistic about this movie. Not including Nightcrawler doesn't bother me so much since he got the full treatment in the last film. The absence of Gambit pretty much sucks, but let's face it, the comics survived for 20 years before Remy came along, so I support their decision to pay homage to the characters that preceded him, a la Beast and Angel (who were originally going to be in X-Men 1 anyways).

Cyclops... don't get me started. I can only hope Iceman is cool enough for the both of them, because Cyclops is easily my 2nd favorite X-Man. How they're going to bring the Phoenix story to a successful conclusion without him, I can't fathom, but I've seen enough good things about the film that I can honestly put my worry aside and believe that Ratner & co. will do a damn fine job.

X2 was great, and X3 will raise the bar even more. May 26th can't come soon enough for me

 

[TheSumOfGod]

You do know the FF was based on the ultimate FF where they have potrayed Doom very poorly and he did apparently get his powers in the ultimate version the same way as the FF gained there's.
So as badly as it was done it was semi based of the new comics and there version of Doom sadly not the Dr Doom we wanted as fans.

A) Yeah, I know, B) and that's the reason why they renamed Ultimate Doom "Van Damme", because in the original script, the movie version of Doctor Doom was named Van Damme, and C) but it doesn't change the fact that Ultimate Doom, as lame as he is, is infinitely better than Movie Doom.

 

[Octoberist]

I hope that you're right Halcohol.

Hopefully, CYCLOPS and the X-Men will return in X4.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

LOL. I like your Proffesor C analogy.

I know..Terminator 3 sucked. Plus, I felt that the TX (hot) is a downgrade, when compared to the superior T-1000. By making the TX into a hot girl, it's more of a gimmick

Robert Patrick as the T-1000 was an absolute mother f***er, an unstoppable killing machine, a now classic movie villain. The T-X was just plain stupid and disappointing.

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes it just sucked sooo bad it made 300 million+
Sorry but I disagree with just about everything you say about Revenge of the Sith.

I am sorry you didn't like it and there were parts I was not to happy with but overall I thought it was a decent closing to the story and a well made movie.
Bashing it for parts you didn't like does not change the facts more people liked the movie than didn't like it.

It did well because it's Star Wars, because it's the final film, and because it had spaceship manoeuvres and lightsabres galore for the action-lovers. For me, it was redeemed only by R2D2 who i found engaging and cute and funny! It lacked emotion - the Anakin/Padme dramas should have been tearjerking, not quickly dismissed. That was the core of the story - that he'd do anything to help her. Then, after that was mentioned, he never saved her at all and it was quickly mentioned by the cackling Palpatine then forgotten... The descent of Anakin to the dark side should have been epic and terrible...

Sorry but it just didn't work for me at all and it's already in the bargain bins. I'm not changing my opinion to suit you or anyone else who liked it. I found it grossly disappointing.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Robert Patrick as the T-1000 was an absolute mother f***er, an unstoppable killing machine, a now classic movie villain. The T-X was just plain stupid and disappointing.

I suddenly have the urge to pull out my T2 DVD and watch it again.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

I suddenly have the urge to pull out my T2 DVD and watch it again.

Unfortunately, I gave away my T2 DVD when Ah-nuld went over to the dark side and started calling all liberals "girlie men" and actually helped Bush get re-elected.

 

[thegameq]

I would be surprised if the movie was terrible. Ratner and Co. are more or less doing a "paint by numbers" movie, so their is less chance of them making critical errors. It will probably be highly entertaining along the lines of X2. Think bigger.

 

[freshandclean]

One of the things that keep me optimistic is the cast. They really lucked out that they have such a talented group of actors. Even Halle looks like she'll be a vast improvement this go round. Add the fact that they didn't go the "pretty boy/girl" route (a la F4) with the casting of Kitty and Angel (though that's debatable considering Angel is supposed to be a pretty boy) as well as hiring relative unknowns as the supporting cast (Morlocks, Brotherhood, etc.). The talent is so deep that I'm remaing cautiously optimistic.

I think my only misgiving is that it seems like there's a lot going on, which would be great, especially for us fans, if it wasn't rumored to be under 2 hours long. I think 2.5 hours would be perfect (I never did like 3 hour movies).

I don't really mind the deaths. I actually hope somebody dies in the damn movie.

 

[Mr. Sinister05]

My main misgiving is if they bring characters that are killed off back to life cause then this would just be a cheap ploy to catch the audience by surprise and then choose to cop out. If they're going to kill off a character then kill them off! Don't ***** out! Yes, it's a franchise, however sacrifices need to be made in order for this particular arc of movies to distance itself from being formulaic.

 

[Octoberist]

I think the whole idea of killing a character..then brining them back is used up.

Empire Strikes Back started it (think about it..back then, Han was basically dead back in 1980). Then Star Trek did it too. Freddy. Jason. Michael Myers. The list goes on.

As of now, it's more of a gimmick than an actual dramatic narrative..

 

[LEX]

I'm keeping low expectations for this movie. I know it's going to do well, but I was wrong many times. Hopefully, those trailers aren't misleading and this movie will blow us away as well as the critics (even though I don't give a **** about them).

 

[Halcohol]

Empire Strikes Back started it (think about it..back then, Han was basically dead back in 1980).

In the case of Empire they made a specific point of telling us Han was alive and "in perfect hibernation." Keep in mind that Lucas was already setting up the first act of Return of the Jedi with that scene.

I think the rumoured "demolecularization" will be a tad more permanant than encasing someone in carbonite

Plus, in all those other movies you mentioned, the characters were killed off and then resurrected in a sequel, much like Phoenix has been. You're right, it's usually regarded as a gimmick, though I think it's even more so when it's done within the span of one movie.

 

[silver_arrow]

I guess there'll be less Cyclops, but still he'll be in the final battle.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would be surprised if the movie was terrible. Ratner and Co. are more or less doing a "paint by numbers" movie, so their is less chance of them making critical errors. It will probably be highly entertaining along the lines of X2. Think bigger.

Yes but when you have two writers who have ONE supposedly good movie between them (Mr & Mrs Smith, which i havent see), a director who has a histroy of working with good actors but making below average movies, a lot of the optimistic points being used by people here are moot.

I mean Ratner has worked with Woody Harrelson, Pierce Brosnan, Nicolas Cage, Edward Norton, Ralph Fiennes, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Don Cheadle (three times), Salma Hayek, Naomis Harris (who Empire magazine considers a star in the making), Zhang Ziyi, Tom Wilkinson, Chris Penn (more than once), Harvey Keitel, Anthony Hopkins and probably a few more i've missed.

I knew he would get a great cast for this, but a lot of his movies have been below average, thats the simple fact of it.

 

[XCharlieX]

I think in the case of star wars, that style gets by on leniency.

Some flicks get by on popcorn value, not craftwork... its when these films are sucessors to the more conventional definition of "good film" that it becomes wrong imo.

 

[kytrigger]

Yes but when you have two writers who have ONE supposedly good movie between them (Mr & Mrs Smith, which i havent see), a director who has a histroy of working with good actors but making below average movies, a lot of the optimistic points being used by people here are moot.

I mean Ratner has worked with Woody Harrelson, Pierce Brosnan, Nicolas Cage, Edward Norton, Ralph Fiennes, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Don Cheadle (three times), Salma Hayek, Naomis Harris (who Empire magazine considers a star in the making), Zhang Ziyi, Tom Wilkinson, Chris Penn (more than once), Harvey Keitel, Anthony Hopkins and probably a few more i've missed.

I knew he would get a great cast for this, but a lot of his movies have been below average, thats the simple fact of it.

No offense, but I would hardly call that fact. It's just your opinion. My opinion is that Ratner is a very capable director. Yes, the Rush Hour films weren't very deep or anything, but they weren't supposed to be. They were created and designed to be just a fun action/comedy. And I think that they did that in spades. After The Sunset was a good movie too imo. A lot of people argue that this was a below par "heist" film, but I really don't even consider it a heist film to begin with. Yes you hae the diamond that he wants to get, but I found the film to be more about the rather weird relationship between Harrelson and Brosnan/Hayek, and the relationship between Brosnan and Hayek. Maybe it's just me, but when I watched it, I felt that Ratner wanted those relationships to overpower the robbery of the diamond, and I thnk they did.
If Ratner has shown to be capable of anything, I think that it would be showing strong relationships between his characters in his movies, whether it be in Rush Hour, After the Sunset, Family Man. I think that this is very important to an X-Man film because one of the driving forces of the X-Men is that relationships with each other and how (since the rest of the world is against them) they depend on each other.

 

[invincible mann]

as long as the dramatic aspects of the film
outweigh the action scenes
and the film has an emotional core much like the first film
i will be happy
i dont need sentinels danger room fast ball special
not that it wouldnt be fun to see them

 

[XCharlieX]

No way it's gonna be as bad as T3. T3 turned everything into a freakin' JOKE

Indeed. By 3 there were some questions to be answered in a classy fashion, such as Arnold always being the terminator. Now its "hes the star, whip up any excuse". It fell on 3 where things in retrospect needed to be strengthened. They shouldve did the war to explain the whole backstory and lore instead of stretching ideas to the breaking point.

And Burton I think got a bit sloppy in Batman Returns since hes eccentric and cant color inside the lines for too long, but it was still a better film than the two that came after.

 

[Sandman138]

as long as the dramatic aspects of the film
outweigh the action scenes
and the film has an emotional core much like the first film
i will be happy
i dont need sentinels danger room fast ball special
not that it wouldnt be fun to see them

here here!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, everyone seems to be saying that the movie will contain more dramatic and emotional scene's than action ones, and that is a big positive for me. There are other positive aspects as well, and as the movie gets closer i am starting to get a little bit excited.

But things like Cyclops dying, Beasts look, the run-time, etc could easily ruin the movie for me and outshine all of the positive aspects. In Simons latest answering session on the X-Verse, he basically says that none of the characters fate's were changed from the first draft to the final draft. Some changes were made while shooting, but they sound like minor one's. If Cyke does die i will be so pissed!!!!

 

[thegameq]

Yes but when you have two writers who have ONE supposedly good movie between them (Mr & Mrs Smith, which i havent see), a director who has a histroy of working with good actors but making below average movies, a lot of the optimistic points being used by people here are moot.

I mean Ratner has worked with Woody Harrelson, Pierce Brosnan, Nicolas Cage, Edward Norton, Ralph Fiennes, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Don Cheadle (three times), Salma Hayek, Naomis Harris (who Empire magazine considers a star in the making), Zhang Ziyi, Tom Wilkinson, Chris Penn (more than once), Harvey Keitel, Anthony Hopkins and probably a few more i've missed.

I knew he would get a great cast for this, but a lot of his movies have been below average, thats the simple fact of it.

Yeah, I know. The history of this group doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I think Ratner would probably fall under the category of generic director. Nothing really special, great or outstanding about his movies (I keep hearing people mention Red Dragon the way people mention The Usual Suspects whenever Singer's film history is questioned, but the vibe I get from most about Red Dragon is that it was okay to good, nothing outstanding or anything. My interest is piqued though, I'd still like to see it). Maybe he hasn't had a project that is actually "his" so to speak. Not trying to jump on the Ratner bandwagon, just trying (very hard) to give him and his team the benefit of the doubt since it seems this is something he really wants. IMO, if this film does blockbuster sized business, I think Ratner could earn himself an X4 he could make his own. That or at least he will be able to write his own ticket in Hollywood for a while.