Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[GuestStar2004]

After seeing the returns here I disagree. X-Men films starring Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart have just made more money.

If thats the case then wolverine 3 should do amazing then

The First Class crew did not have the marketability that's comparable to The Avengers films and DOFP did not play out like a crossover of multiple IP's. It was one IP that was bringing back familiar faces after a long break.

It was certainly marketed like a cross over, the shot of the 2 xaviers face to face as the final shot

There were also more characters from X-Men 3 then First Class used to advertised the film. Just the announcements of Kitty, Iceman, Wolverine, Rogue and Storm made big headlines and grabbed interest.

They actually grabbed very little attention and if we wanna go by twitter then they grabbed about as much attention as hearing jubilee was in Apocalypse

 

[superweirdo87]

After seeing the returns here I strongly disagree. X-Men films starring Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart have just made more money.

The Wolverine made less than any of the team films, and it starred Jackman and featured Patrick Stewart.

 

[def28]

The Wolverine made less than any of the team films, and it starred Jackman and featured Patrick Stewart.

I said X-Men, not films called Wolverine. The Wolverine IP name was also hurt a bit by good old XMOW.

X-Men films starring Hugh Jackman make more. Ones with only the First Class crew don't, even when following a very well received film. Shouldn't be difficult to see. X3 had backlash far before it was released, but it still scored big even with the mixed reviews and heavy hate.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The Wolverine made less than any of the team films, and it starred Jackman and featured Patrick Stewart.

It was following XO: Wolverine and a installment that hardly set the world on fire. It was always going to struggle.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I said X-Men, not films called Wolverine.

X-Men films starring Hugh Jackman make more. Shouldn't be difficult to see why.

Not really, he pretty much was the guy in the OT, the highlight, the one who after X2 plans were already in place for a solo movie, he is the one who without him involved people think the films are doomed.

If this is where this franchise is where people won't see him solo but people won't see an X-Men movie if he isn't there and steals the movie... then thats pretty messed up

 

[def28]

Not really? Please show me numbers that don't prove this while being aware on how the foreign box office has significantly changed.

Audiences like seeing Hugh Jackman in X-Men films. Why is this even up for debate?

 

[Kanon]

The Wolverine made less than any of the team films, and it starred Jackman and featured Patrick Stewart.

It was an anomaly, bad WOM after Origins. And still, it did almost as much as FC adjusted, and in home video it outsold it by a wide margin (Top 10 BR sales of 2013, better than Iron Man 3 too)

 

[superweirdo87]

I said X-Men, not films called Wolverine. The Wolverine IP name was also hurt a bit by good old XMOW.

X-Men films starring Hugh Jackman make more. Ones with only the First Class crew don't, even when following a very well received film. Shouldn't be difficult to see. X3 had backlash far before it was released, but it still scored big even with the mixed reviews and heavy hate.

Yeah, but the result still bears on the question of their appeal. X3 did do really well at the domestic box office.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Not really? Please show me numbers that don't prove this while being aware on how the foreign box office has significantly changed.

In general the idea is silly as hell, yes Origins didn't make as much as X3, whether thats was down to reception of X3, leak or whatever but it still did pretty damn well $85 mil domestically, wolverine was certainly on top just by himself and it wasn't far off from X3 with no 3D

then FC did ok with $55 mil domestically, much less then origins and then the wolverine made $53 mil domestically which is a huge drop from origins and comes under FC a year after with 3D and famke in marketing

its really weird thing to think wolverine has to be part of a group before people care about his story, He is certainly no deadpool.

 

[superweirdo87]

Doesn't matter if you weren't attached to them or if you liked the new versions, if people don't show up at the theater.

Out of all the 9 X-Men films so far. Its First Class and Apocalypse that did not/will not meet its production budget to its North America box-office gross. Do we need a third one?

Actually, First Class might have surpassed it budget because tax credits might have brought the budget down. Some have reported it was around 140M with tax credits. Also, the international market influences budgets.

 

[superweirdo87]

When a 2016 X-Men movie couldn't even outgross a 2003 X-Men movie or a critical panned 2009 Wolverine movie. I don't see why its not a good idea. If anything, this could just mean that the GA couldn't LET GO of the original cast and they weren't that interested to watch a film featuring younger versions..... If these younger version are really the future of the series, that should be transparent to the box-office numbers.... and that is simple NOT the case. So don't be surprised if people continue to rally about the OT cast's return especially given that Apocalypse is not even gonna outgross Origins: Wolverine in North America. Thats pretty embarassing.

X3 still managed to be the top grossing X-Men film in North America after a mixed reception. Apocalypse can't do that.... geez.

Some people chatter about bringing back the old cast, and some talk about it. But, I don't know that there is a critical mass of people who care as much as some posters do. Like, in a change.org petition last year for a sequel with the original cast, there were less than seventy signatures. When X-Men Films subtweeted your tweet calling for Fox to make more original team so there would be "no more flops," he asked if other people agreed. Eight of the ten who responded did not. There will be chatter, but fandom is not in tandem crying out for movies with the old cast. A lot of people want to move on.

Also, to talk about North America box office without considering theatrical attendance may tell a misleading and incomplete tale. The simple reality is that theatrical attendance has declined.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/?sort=totaltickets&order=DESC&p=.htm

 

[def28]

Yeah, but the result still bears on the question of their appeal. X3 did do really well at the domestic box office.

Fox made a good move making The Wolverine on a lower budget given the previous films reception. They knew it wouldn't do as well as XMOW.

The same should happen here for X-Men if they want to continue. Make a smaller (no Space, no omega phoenix film yet) film that focuses on why these actors are the new leads and not side characters. Ditch the decade jumping so they can actually last a few films without seeming like they are begging to get to the present, then hopefully like First Class the good wom will start again.

X-Men shouldn't be dependent on Wolverine, that's been a mistake for awhile as too many other X-Men are just not as marketable and rich of development as they should be. But given where we are at throughout the past 16 years of this film series denying that he brings alot of audiences to the theatre as lead in X-Men movies is just not right. He is still the main guy people think of with X-Men, which is why even with his major screen time he will have had 3 films for himself. Jackman has been in the game successfully longer then any other comic book lead actor.

 

[Zarex]

No, it was the team up that brought in the audiences. And much like Avengers, that was a one time boost.

Also, any theoretical gain from continuing with the old cast would be completely negated by the cost of bringing them back.

How exactly was Avengers a one time boost? Leaving out both Avengers and AOU, the Phase 1 films averaged $225M at the domestic BO. The Phase 2 films averaged $278M. That's a 23.5% boost.

And the cost of bringing back the non-Jackman members of the OT cost shouldn't be prohibitive. If I were FOX I would feel much more confident in a film slate the sprinkled the likes of Marsden, Grammer, Berry and Jannsen among X-Force and New Mutants characters than I would sending the youngins' on a 90s era space mission.

 

[def28]

And the cost of bringing back the non-Jackman members of the OT cost shouldn't be prohibitive. If I were FOX I would feel much more confident in a film slate the sprinkled the likes of Marsden, Grammer, Berry and Jannsen among X-Force and New Mutants characters than I would sending the youngins' on a 90s era space mission.

Yeah, that's the other route I was thinking.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And the cost of bringing back the non-Jackman members of the OT cost shouldn't be prohibitive. If I were FOX I would feel much more confident in a film slate the sprinkled the likes of Marsden, Grammer, Berry and Jannsen among X-Force and New Mutants characters than I would sending the youngins' on a 90s era space mission.

so basically have the OC take over X-FORCE and New Mutants even though technically it's not their teams? all that pretty much says is YAY CROSS OVER!

 

[def28]

Think he said sprinkled not take over.

People do know that Cyclops is involved with volumes of X-Force right? Nothing wrong with X-Force having conflicts with X-Men either. These characters all interact with each other.

 

[Kanon]

Having Cyclops form X-Force and Wolverine as headmaster of Xavier's, (or viceversa for that matter) should be the way to go. New mutants, with the old cast in supporting roles.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Having Cyclops form X-Force and Wolverine as headmaster of Xavier's, (or viceversa for that matter) should be the way to go. New mutants, with the old cast in supporting roles.

Thing about these spin offs is that they are making them so they can stand on their own, they likely ain't making them as an excuse to spread out the characters.

its like the new spider-man movie, tony stark is gonna be in it i hear and whether there is anyone else or not who knows but will marvel and sony want every spider-man movie to basically be like spider-man and friends where hulk and thor are in the sequel and then for the 3rd its black panthers... or do they want spider-man to have his own stories with his own characters and comic stuff going on?

basically throwing OC characters into new mutants and X-FORCE people would expect more from them rather then playing side characters to the newbies which i don't see why they wouldn't be, no point having the new mutants if they are gonna have the X-Men standing behind them in battle ready for a cross over battle each movie.

 

[def28]

They already had Colossus, the blackbird, the X-Mansion and NTW in Deapdool. It's established.

Eventually they will crossover, and if X-Force characters are interesting nobody will be only begging for only Cyclops, Jean etc to get screen time and will just enjoy what they have for the film. Deadpool already upstaged most superheros this year. So I don't think that will be an issue at all.

 

[GuestStar2004]

China box office: Fox’s X-Men: Apocalypse trailed closely behind in third place with $16.71m for $114.88m after 17 days. Based on local currency running total of RMB755m, the latest X-Men film has outperformed its predecessor X-Men: Days Of Future Past and also become the sixth-highest-grossing imported film this year.

http://www.screendaily.com/news/dis...le=LATEST-FILM-NEWS-HEADLINES&contentID=44435

 

[GuestStar2004]

They already had Colossus, the blackbird, the X-Mansion and NTW in Deapdool. It's established.

So that means each deadpool sequel is gonna have a new X-Man involved?

or were they just basically telling the audience he is in the same universe and he is... just abit different to them

 

[Kanon]

basically throwing OC characters into new mutants and X-FORCE people would expect more from them rather then playing side characters to the newbies which i don't see why they wouldn't be, no point having the new mutants if they are gonna have the X-Men standing behind them in battle ready for a cross over battle each movie.

I think people will be happy with just having the new movies in the same continuity than the OT, even with the old cast as just supporting roles. I think what is actually alienating people today is how they are rehashing old characters and plots, and undoing well received movies.

 

[def28]

So that means each deadpool sequel is gonna have a new X-Man involved?

or were they just basically telling the audience he is in the same universe and he is... just abit different to them

X-Force is made out of X-Men members so yeah. We already know Cable is showing up, and Dom won't be far. Not to mention one of Deadpool's major love interest is Siryn and that will eventually happen. He has far too many X-Men connections to avoid.

You're trying to escape the inevitable Gueststar. X-Force and X-men are more then likely to run into each other. Nothing wrong with that. It would be odd if they didn't given all the connections. Why would the X-Men ignore X-Force's activity?

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think people will be happy with just having the new movies in the same continuity than the OT, even with the old cast as just supporting roles. I think what is actually alienating people today is how they are rehashing old characters and plots, and undoing well received movies.

Well it wouldn't really be in the OT continuity

 

[superweirdo87]

I think people will be happy with just having the new movies in the same continuity than the OT, even with the old cast as just supporting roles. I think what is actually alienating people today is how they are rehashing old characters and plots, and undoing well received movies.

DOFP clearly did not take place in the same continuity as the original cast and outright retconned X3 and it got an A Cinema Score from audiences.