Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[superweirdo87]

It is really a missed opportunity for Fox that after Days of Future Past, they went back to the past setting / origin or prequel routine. The movie, that in my opinion, that they should have made was the cast that were in the new future (and thats including Wolverine). That would definitely earn more at the box-office than this one and the upcoming Wolverine film.

I personally have no desire to see the original team again. Even if Fox did a follow-up in the present day and it earned more, if the movie sucked, it still would have been a let down to some degree. Also, the original team would have X3 and this, and a lot of people might have talked about how there are not really anymore stories to tell with the original team.

Good economists will tell you money is a means, not an end. The highest grossing X-Men team movie in the domestic market is X3: The Last Stand. I do not think a franchise that makes X3 movies is something to be proud or aspire to.

 

[BeholdMe]

I personally have no desire to see the original team again. Even if Fox did a follow-up in the present day and it earned more, if the movie sucked, it still would have been a let down to some degree. Also, the original team would have X3 and this, and a lot of people might have talked about how there are not really anymore stories to tell with the original team.

Good economists will tell you money is a means, not an end. The highest grossing X-Men team movie in the domestic market is X3: The Last Stand. I do not think a franchise that makes X3 movies is something to be proud or aspire to.

Yes to this.

 

[psylockolussus]

I personally have no desire to see the original team again. Even if Fox did a follow-up in the present day and it earned more, if the movie sucked, it still would have been a let down to some degree. Also, the original team would have X3 and this, and a lot of people might have talked about how there are not really anymore stories to tell with the original team.

Good economists will tell you money is a means, not an end. The highest grossing X-Men team movie in the domestic market is X3: The Last Stand. I do not think a franchise that makes X3 movies is something to be proud or aspire to.

Not anymore stories to tell? They got the freaking comics for inspiration or they could make-up their own stories like they did in X1/FC. And a X4 line-up of Storm, Wolverine, Rogue, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus feels more X-Men that we got in First Class or the 1973 line-up in DOFP. And you're assuming they wouldn't have introduced a new X-Men character in the film. And if you're referring to the DOFP's new future line-up, that would have been more marketable than this. Anyway, this is a box-office thread and a film featuring the new future roster, would have earned more $$$ simply because of familiarity and more characters to use in marketing/promotions.

And no one is saying the movies should be in same the quality as X3.

 

[superweirdo87]

This *is* a box office thread, but that makes it worthwhile to put the value of box office and totals into perspective. Amid all the wrangling about box office, it is worth asking where it fits in to a worldview. Is higher box office the only thing that matters? Is it the only goal to have the biggest box office plausible? Or the highest attainable domestic box office within the Singer-verse? The fact that X3: The Last Stand had the strongest box office and fans hate it should put that question to stark terms. Do we want to get the biggest possible total regardless of quality?

I personally do not want that. And economists who spend a lot of time studying money say that it is a means to utility, not a goal in and of itself.

If the original team came back and the money did better in the domestic market place, but the movie still sucked, they would be tarnished by the low quality of the movie. XM:A is not as bad as X3, but it has issues, and if the OT present day version had those issues, it would have hurt the sentiment towards the OT.

While there would be possibilities for stories with them, many nerd culture writers and fans might wonder how many good movies they had left having done X3 and then a poorly reviewed XMA.

 

[psylockolussus]

You know what, someone already said this before but the OT cast is more critic proof than this cast. And yes, of course a bad OT led film would cause bad legs/big drops (just like X3) but still, probably not as bad as X-Men: Apocalypse's performance in North America. If I had told that you, last year that Apocalypse would struggle to outgross X1, you wouldn't believe me. And once again, no one is coming here asking for a film to be as good as X3 and no one is saying X3 is beloved.

Then story-wise, I don't want X-Men to be stuck in the past, I want mature Cyclops, Storm, Jean who will eventually train students and run the school when Prof X gets killed. And setting them up in the past, boxes them in a big way and opens the possibility of retcons/continuity errors if they decided to introduce Rogue, Kitty, Iceman, etc and if they set the film in the present and Tye/Sophie/Alex are the actors...

And back to box-office, like I said a dozen of times, prequels aren't really strong performers at the box-office unless its The Hobbit or Star Wars. They usually grosses lower than their predecessors and with this series, that is the case. And I don't see why after First Class/Apocalypse.... they need to being doing more prequels. And it looks like if they go ahead with the sequel, they would lower the budget again - God, is that gonna happen more often in the X-Men series just to produce more films?

Anyway, they should be doing films with the cast that appeared in more successful films that gave the series growth at the box-office... and not with the ones that appeared in the movies that underperformed. I don't think Fox would want to see X-Men '93 underperform to finally realize that something isn't working, then at that time, it would have been too late to set the films in the present again with the original actors.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Then story-wise, I don't want X-Men to be stuck in the past, I want mature Cyclops, Storm, Jean who will eventually train students and run the school when Prof X gets killed

Its great you have all this planned out, that is sure to break the box office, or at least explain why you end up disappointed with this franchise most the time, expectations

And back to box-office, like I said a dozen of times, prequels aren't really strong performers at the box-office unless its The Hobbit or Star Wars. They usually grosses lower than their predecessors and with this series, that is the case.

Unless you are Origins to the wolverine in which the prequel made more domestically then the sequel in 3D.

I mean technically there was more people in america seeing FC then the wolverine.

 

[superweirdo87]

Follow-ups in prequel series can do okay and be inspired works on their own terms. Casino Royale started off a run for Bond that is seen as largely successful, critically and commercially.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes did not as well as the 2001 version, but its follow up is the most successful movie in the Apes series unadjusted and a pretty good movie to boot.

And as Guest Star notes if prequels are such a kiss of death at the box office, then it's strange that Origins decidedly beat out TW, especially being as how the prequel in this case was reviled.

Personally, I like these younger X-Men and I would love to see interesting stories where they grow and become formidable.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Compounding the current quandary for the Chinese industry, June was completely dominated by Hollywood movies. The preliminary data shows imported titles with over 90% share of the box office, led by substantially Chinese-funded “Warcraft” and “X-Men: Apocalypse.”

- Variety

 

[Tymminator]

In China XM:A made I think 120M? That's good but end results is Fox is going to see about 30M of that.

Over the weekend, I took my nephew to see X-M:A and the one theater in my area that still showed only had one showing, but it was fairly full.

Anyone else see it this past weekend? What was you theater like?

 

[Sithborg]

It is still a very good sign of growth in the Chinese market. Especially when it's legs got cut off by Warcraft.

 

[Tymminator]

Warcraft is very lucky it made so much there.

I just realized I have not seen Warcraft yet.

 

[Sithborg]

Umm, Warcraft started out good. But, it quickly fell off. Only about $70 more after the first 5 days.

 

[Alison Blaire]

What? Now worldwide 527?Before 529

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=x-men2016.htm

 

[YoungBlood]

What? Now worldwide 527?Before 529

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=x-men2016.htm

It was more likely an estimate before they can get the real numbers.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Anyone know if there's a reason why the film's being released so late in the Japanese market? They still have to wait for August.

 

[Sithborg]

Typical weird Japanese release date weirdness.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I heard that this movie is leaving theaters sooner than expected.

 

[Sithborg]

Not really.

 

[fallenAngel]

I heard that this movie is leaving theaters sooner than expected.

I'm not sure what the expectations for this movie were going in, but it's down to about two showings a day in most theaters in my area, which is pretty normal for a movie in it's 6-7th week that wasn't a huge hit.

Had it bombed it would've been hard to find after 3-4 weeks.

Domestic gross is pretty much done though, maybe 4 million more at best

 

[Tymminator]

I heard that this movie is leaving theaters sooner than expected.

For my area, I would say it's leaving about as much as an "average" movie in the wake of several new movies eventually coming out...it didn't leave like a bomb, but it left around the same time as Civil War which had a few weeks on it. I figure they will both pop up in the dollar theaters by me soon enough.


EDIT: I will have to say though, although the movie stayed in the multiplexes by me until recently, before that those multiplexes DID condense a lot of its screen per theater/showtimes pretty fast IMO, but again, only speaking for my area.

 

[psylockolussus]

North America: $154,499,734
Worldwide: $535,270,280

How many weekends until it outgrosses X-Men 1?

 

[Snikt]

North America: $154,499,734
Worldwide: $535,270,280

How many weekends until it outgrosses X-Men 1?

It hasn't expanded to $1 theatres yet has it? I thought movies usually gain screens/theatres back for $1 show before finally leaving.

But Ray Subers (formally of Boxofficemojo.com) tweeted me once, it's the studios decision when to pull a film from theatres.

 

[psylockolussus]

It finally outgrossed [blackout]Fantastic Four 2005[/blackout] in North America.

 

[Retroman]

After nine weeks Apocalypse is now ranked 29 at the dutch box office with €2,170,030 or ($2,395,785 dollars). It played in five cinemas this weekend but still scored a much better average (894 euros) per theater than the higher placed Alice, Warcraft, Jungle Book, Ninja Turtles and Angry Birds.

Those releases also have much more screens (prints) than X-Men does at this point in time.

With the Japan release still to go 550 million dollars worldwide looks like a certainty now.

 

[Avalanche]

With the Japan release still to go 550 million dollars worldwide looks like a certainty now.

A box office so much lower than expected for the movie that it's lower than the lowest poll option for the thread....