Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[ImSGirl95]

To be honest, I love Deadpool to death, but I don't think D2 will be that good as the first one.
They will add a bigger budget, which means people like Kinberg will have even bigger control. Granted they almost didn't had any over the first movie.

Hell, even for X-Force, Singer recently said that there is a chance he will direct the movie with a script written by Kinberg.

 

[DavidHaller]

Exactly! X-men should be making more than what it is and it seems like people are happy and making excuses for Fox which shouldn't be the case. They have not reached their potential or ceiling at all! They seem to be regressing!

I cannot imagine an X-Men movie more perfect than "Days of Future Past" and this movie made "only" 750.000.000. I doubt that the X-Men franchise can get commercialized in a way that it makes more money without losing its socio-political fundament and quality.

Maybe the X-Men are not as easy consumable as The Avengers?
I would even assume that not hitting a billion is a strength and not a weakness of this franchise!

Singer's movies are pretty queer and I prefer them over everything Marvel released so far where a hero dressed in the American flag saves the world (just writing this sentence reminds me how offensive the character of Captain America really is! But I guess North Americans still believe the illusion that their government is actually doing something good in the global scale...)

Not sure how a commercialized X-Men movie would look like in your eyes but I don't want hyper-masculine heroes saving the world while making lame jokes.

 

[JEM]

People become paranoid with Deadpool 2. Kinberg had good relationship with Miller team and convince Fox that R was always the best way to go.
I don't know why the team can't work to together again.

Or maybe some people want to see Deadpool 2 fail. It would mean some problem for X universe and it could force Fox to change plan .

 

[GuestStar2004]

To be honest, I love Deadpool to death, but I don't think D2 will be that good as the first one.
They will add a bigger budget, which means people like Kinberg will have even bigger control. Granted they almost didn't had any over the first movie.

Hell, even for X-Force, Singer recently said that there is a chance he will direct the movie with a script written by Kinberg.

Why would kinberg have more control over deadpool? yeah he is a producer but chances are he will have as much control as he did with the first movie.

As for how much deadpool 2 could make, yeah it could make less, its possible, marvel has yet to beat their first avengers movie record after all, even with spidey onboard now.

 

[marvelrobbins]

let's also deal with the fact first class cast just doesn't have appeal the original cast does.It's not just Hugh jackman as wolverine.DOFP was helped by having
all of them back.some people may say James mcavoy and Michael fassbender
are better than Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen it doesn't mean GA agree
with that.

The entire original trilogy was helped by fact there was merchandize.yes there was only action figures for first film but there were magazines and books for
X2 and last stand among other things.

X-Men is in same boat as star trek.Beyond like apocalypse did much less than predessor.Paramount has been trying to trek into star wars and it's not working at all.Beyond which is more liked by some die hard trekkers than into darkness made much less money than into darkness which clearly wasn't.GA is starting to lose intrest in trek some.although that may be because there are real star wars films.

with jackman out the door now bringing back original cast really Isn't an
opotion for fox.

Both X-Men and star trek have following that will make certain amount of money.

I don't know how they get to excite GA again like they were for original trilogy and Days of future past.doesn't matter how much fans liked or didn't like first class and APocalypse those films didn't excite GA like original trilogy and DOFP.

 

[marvelrobbins]

To be honest, I love Deadpool to death, but I don't think D2 will be that good as the first one.
They will add a bigger budget, which means people like Kinberg will have even bigger control. Granted they almost didn't had any over the first movie.

Hell, even for X-Force, Singer recently said that there is a chance he will direct the movie with a script written by Kinberg.

Singer directing next X-Men film is big question mark so i don't get where you would think he would be directing X-force.he has had no involvement in wolverine solo trilogy.

As one of producers of deadpool and writer of DOFP that is why Kinberg contunies to have role in these films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Why would kinberg have more control over deadpool? yeah he is a producer but chances are he will have as much control as he did with the first movie.

As for how much deadpool 2 could make, yeah it could make less, its possible, marvel has yet to beat their first avengers movie record after all, even with spidey onboard now.

if you consider civil war an avengers film each one has done less although i can't imagine infinity war and it's sequel not doing 400 million domesticly.

Deadpool 2 could make less money since it won't be fresh like original was.and i don't mean reviews.also there is some universe building in it with cable and domino unlike the first film which while they wanted to show it was part of X-Men universe was laregly it's own thing.

Kinberg isn't going anywhere nomatter what fans think of his writing ability.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I cannot imagine an X-Men movie more perfect than "Days of Future Past" and this movie made "only" 750.000.000. I doubt that the X-Men franchise can get commercialized in a way that it makes more money without losing its socio-political fundament and quality.

Maybe the X-Men are not as easy consumable as The Avengers?
I would even assume that not hitting a billion is a strength and not a weakness of this franchise!

Singer's movies are pretty queer and I prefer them over everything Marvel released so far where a hero dressed in the American flag saves the world (just writing this sentence reminds me how offensive the character of Captain America really is! But I guess North Americans still believe the illusion that their government is actually doing something good in the global scale...)

Not sure how a commercialized X-Men movie would look like in your eyes but I don't want hyper-masculine heroes saving the world while making lame jokes.

Captain America comes from 1940's.and still he is the better avengers character and i always thought that.Ironic in civil war the character who was suspose to be symbol for government doesn't trust government with avengers.

Mutants can be allegory for many groups but gays idenify with them.The fact In 1990's there was legacy virus an allegory for aids makes that clear.

X-Men as group that ends up saving the world even though they are hated and feared by the world.Obviously marvel tried with civil war to have public mistrust avengers although it doesn't work as well with X-Men.

If Singer directs another film,and that is big if,he should look into doing phoenix where he takes X-Men into puter space to save the entire universe.
If they want to go all in on phoenix they should do 2 films.film 1 just on ailens and outer space and phoenix saving universe and then in film 2 Dark Phoenix.

Without original cast not sure if they can get back domesticly to DOFP numbers but that could poential be something different that could help go up.

 

[GuestStar2004]

let's also deal with the fact first class cast just doesn't have appeal the original cast does.It's not just Hugh jackman as wolverine.

Lets look at the advantages X3 had though, obviously marvels marketing team were fully onboard with that movie with toys and games, and then there is also the fact that in 2006 comic book movies were not in the same place they are today as that was pre-dark knight and pre-iron man so the mind set of the casual audience was very different back then, maybe they don't appreciate X-Men the way they used too because of that.

Then obviously there was Origins where again marvel helped market it with a pretty well put together video game aswell as toys and the wolverine and the X-Men cartoon they released around that time and the film did fairly well for a film leaked early, non 3D, no other OC and got pretty meh reviews

Then obvious we got FC which got pretty rave reviews and did ok at the box office then came the wolverine which actually made less in america then FC so yeah less americans went to see the wolverine starring hugh jackman and famke janssen in 3D which also had the DOFP build up leading into it also.

And then came DOFP which i think had several hooks, most of them i think were not intentional though, like

1. The cross over factor of the two casts, it felt ambitious.

2. Being an adaption of a loved comic book aswell as keeping the title which the films had not done before and no one knew how closely it would be adapted.

3. Sentinels, or 2 different types of sentinels, first CGI villains, sorta wasted in some ways but no one knew that till they see the movie so everyone was picturing all these super powered fights with the sentinels.

3. Heap load of characters thrown in with most of them having very little to do but you had to see the movie to find that out.

4. Using time travel as a plot which added more sci fi fantasy to the series which felt very new for these movies.

While with Apocalypse it really did have a high potential but i think it ended up feeling smaller then it was hyped to be because...

1. There wasn't as many characters being marketed, jubilee and havok were left out of marketing for the most part while with DOFP they even marketed toad for crying out loud and he only had a cameo.

2. They didn't really push the mass destruction angle that they kept hyping up and talking about, some of the shots in the final battle were not all that spectacular and the action was hardly close to anything the dark knight or civil war had beyond perhaps the quicksilver sequence.

3. The costumes were kinda unoriginal. cyclops didn't have his trait visor and the comic outfits were abit obvious that they were only showing up at the end.

4. Apocalypse design many hated apparently, i had no issue with his look personally and think some had way to high expectations of him but when he is the title character that may not have helped

There is actually quite a few more reasons for apocalypse but overall the franchise has gone on now for 16 years, no one is seeing this franchise how they might have in 2006.

 

[marvelrobbins]

In 2006 X-Men films were still heavily promated.and unlike apocalypse Last stand had benefit of having the cast from X2 the previous X-Men film that
audences loved.

Yep they certinly should have shown more of the global destrucon.

with outfits they clearly wanted to show a transation from leather outfits to more colorful costumes.and with X-Men not being trained by xavier but this being characters thrown into action using stryker's flight suits worked.

 

[def28]

I cannot imagine an X-Men movie more perfect than "Days of Future Past" and this movie made "only" 750.000.000.[/B] I doubt that the X-Men franchise can get commercialized in a way that it makes more money without losing its socio-political fundament and quality.

Maybe the X-Men are not as easy consumable as The Avengers?
I would even assume that not hitting a billion is a strength and not a weakness of this franchise!

Which was 400m more then First Class made. A very significant increase, and showed the franchise on a big upswing considering it's downfall 7 years earlier. Bouncing back to very high numbers was always going to take more then one film.

But the domestic numbers were still not hitting X-Men 3 numbers which adjusted cashed in over 300m. That's clearly alot. The audience is there in the masses and the franchise has proven it can make more in the states then DOFP's domestic.

 

[psylockolussus]

All arguments here are tired.

Some of you are basically arguing X-Men can't make money like other studios cause we should be satisfied with movies like Apocalypse. Well yeah, keep making movies like that and X-Men won't even make 600m. Or 400m next round for that matter.

Who gives a **** if the argument is 800m or a billion. The point is X-Men should be making more money. The fact people don't think X-Men is worthy of higher numbers is sad. X3's domestic numbers are basically BvS numbers today. X-Men can hit numbers beyond 800m ww in todays era with stronger films.

X-Men: Apocalypse should have earned $800 million worldwide, especially after both Deadpool/X-Men DOFP earned more than $740 million worldwide.

 

[BeholdMe]

Well they should've made a better movie with not so many inconsistencies and reducing characters to background in favor of others, tired of the same cliches and I'm certain it would've done better.

 

[def28]

Apocalypse's last push with marketing just didn't do it any favors either, as been said the over two weeks of negative wom hurt alot of the hype and had plenty of time to spread.

The same could be argued for X3 but the world used the internet much differently back then, only fans were keeping up with behind the scenes drama. And regardless of the quality the majority of X3 trailers got people hyped.

DOFP and Deadpool on the other hand had excellent wom. Even things people had an issue with early on like say Quickilsver was being hyped as the scene stealer near release calming any concerns. The same just wasn't the case for Apocalypse.

 

[SAUspartan]

X-Men: Apocalypse should have earned $800 million worldwide, especially after both Deadpool/X-Men DOFP earned more than $740 million worldwide.

First Class didn't even do 400 million. Let's face it. Marvel Disney has sabatoged Fox enough where it just won't ever make more than DOFP. Not Fox's fault.

 

[def28]

Marvel is sabotaging DC too! Forcing them to make bad movies with poor scripts.

IF only the MCU didn't exist, then Fox's faults with comic movies wouldn't either. Wait a minute, the mcu didn't exist when X3, F4, F42, and Elektra were out. Interesting, maybe it's just the creative teams fault that they didn't make a film fans loved or one that gained the attention of audiences? Maybe if XMOW and X3 were well received a bit more then X-Men First Class would have had an easier time at the box office?

Fox has one of the best rated comics this year flicks that broke records and didn't even need China or a PG-13 to pull in over 700m. Which makes fun of the series own faults with Deadpool. The studio is more then capable as are the creative teams to make good films...and making their own mistakes.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I think they mean they try to block better dates for release but even then that's just standard business not "sabotage."

 

[def28]

Did First Class go against a Marvel or Disney film? I don't remember.

At least XMA wasn't Alice. The interest level on that ended up being non existent. X-Men was the one who hurt them if anything.

The benefits of being released in the summer are pretty much gone. All studios have to start spreading their big budget films elsewhere. This summer was a disaster.

 

[First Avenger]

First Class didn't even do 400 million. Let's face it. Marvel Disney has sabatoged Fox enough where it just won't ever make more than DOFP. Not Fox's fault.

What? Dude the movie was mediocre at best,THAT's why it had a mediocre BO. It's totally Fox's fault.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Second week in Japan,- 77%,only $716,434

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/japan/?yr=2016&wk=34&p=.htm

 

[Mystique's Leg]

While all X-films are real blockbusters, the premise of the X-Men is a bit too subtle and heavy to really appeal to a big public in my opinion (I'm talking about the 1 billion dollar public). They came close with XA trying to sell it as a disaster movie, but it kinda fell flat. Good, fresh and substantive ideas sometimes do get rewarded like DOFP and Deadpool. Sometimes it's not enough, like the moderate box office of FC.

I've said it before, but 2016 is just so crowded with all these highly anticipated movies. They hurt each other at the boxoffice and it could kill studios trying to be more original and daring. All in all, luckily XA didn't do THAT bad.

 

[GuestStar2004]

While all X-films are real blockbusters, the premise of the X-Men is a bit too subtle and heavy to really appeal to a big public in my opinion (I'm talking about the 1 billion dollar public). They came close with XA trying to sell it as a disaster movie, but it kinda fell flat. Good, fresh and substantive ideas sometimes do get rewarded like DOFP and Deadpool. Sometimes it's not enough, like the moderate box office of FC.

Apocalypse didn't really embrace the mass destruction angle, they kept hyping it saying it was gonna be the biggest one yet and a worldwide mass destruction movie but when you look at it they played it very safe compared to what they could have or what alot of visual directors would have done as i remember half expecting at some point in the movie having tanks and fighter jets being destroyed trying to take down apocalypse, well thats kinda how i envisioned it anyway.

I just don't think singer was all that into that angle, i don't think he was forced to do it though, he likely knew it had to be there with the title X-Men: Apocalypse but he decided to do it minimal thinking it would still be a huge deal because X-Men doesn't really do mass destruction all that often anyway.

Now if singer had given us a more kinda civil war type battle at the end that could have been fun but again there wasn't really much of it beyond beast and psylocke fight

I've said it before, but 2016 is just so crowded with all these highly anticipated movies. They hurt each other at the boxoffice and it could kill studios trying to be more original and daring. All in all, luckily XA didn't do THAT bad.

Oh when X-Men apocalypse is coming out the same year as BVS and Civil war it was probably always gonna be the underdog because obviously batman vs superman battling it out with wonder women and doomsday was always gonna be a huge deal and civil war was basically avengers vs avengers with spider-man battling it out which even though didn't make as much as avengers 2 or even iron man 3 was still a hyped movie.

X-Men apocalypse felt a little more simplistic than that and even in the marketing felt that way also, the big reveal of the comic outfits could be considered a hype but when posters and whatever didn't actually have those outfits in it... you can kinda piece together the obvious.

Just to put it on record though i do like X-Men: Apocalypse.

 

[psylockolussus]

First Class didn't even do 400 million. Let's face it. Marvel Disney has sabatoged Fox enough where it just won't ever make more than DOFP. Not Fox's fault.

Wow. Another excuse.

DOFP was sandwiched by Maleficent (which outgrossed DOFP worldwide and U.S.) and Godzilla (which earned $500 million) and was still able to get 750 million worldwide. While Apocalypse's biggest competition was Civil War which was released 3 weeks (4 weeks in international markets) before Apocalypse's release in America.

Second week in Japan,- 77%,only $716,434

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/japan/?yr=2016&wk=34&p=.htm

Wow a disastrous second weekend drop!

 

[ImSGirl95]

Why would kinberg have more control over deadpool?

The budget will be higher. And appereantly Deadpool 2 is the next movie after Wolverine 3.
Reynolds, Miller, the writers, etc ... have said numerous times that they don't want a bigger budget and that they aren't rushing/taking their time for the sequel.
If Deadpool 2 comes out in late 2017/early 2018, with say some kind of a 100+ million budget, then yeah, Kinberg and Co. will mess things up.
The first movie had independency. Why? Because Kinberg and co didn't have faith in the movie. And it blew in their faces.

 

[marvelrobbins]

What? Dude the movie was mediocre at best,THAT's why it had a mediocre BO. It's totally Fox's fault.

so let me get this straight before people say not counting deadpool it is best X-Men film and now it's medicore?

for record i have said not counting the bad last stand and Origins that First class is most overrated X-Men film