Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - Part 16

[roach]

That's true. I am a huge Thor fan and while Chris Hemsworth has done a tremendous job, his character is certainly under-utilised and I am a little disappointed.. My favorite Marvel character is Captain America because of that. I am actually proud of being a Cap fan now, Marvel got him right.

IMO they didn't get Cap right until Winter Soldier (ability wise)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I remember when people were posting this panel in the Iron Man 2 forums to justify the lack of accent.

When Natasha's undercover of course she would conceal her native accent but it makes no sense for her not to speak in her Russian accent when she's around her friends, colleagues and fellow Avengers.

Again, it's a preference I have as a fan. I want Natasha to have a Russian accent. Russian sounding Natasha is MUCH cooler than Americanized Natasha, but that's me.

I don't want to get to off course. This isn't the place to discuss this. My original point was that even Marvel, as good as they are, have also been guilty of dropping accents.

but as you just said so yourself.. her having the accent is something you want as a fan, aka your opinion. And not something marvel can prove she'd have. Regardless.. at least there's an explanation as to why she doesn't have one in the MCU.. and that was answered in Agent Carter.. so while we want it or not.. it's at least explained.

 

[YoungBlood]

IMO they didn't get Cap right until Winter Soldier (ability wise)

and costume wise as well.

 

[MarvelU]

I think what they are doing with Apocalypse is good in that they are essentially re-introducing characters that need characterization. Now I usually don't care about comic accurate costumes, but I think this movie would be the best time to actually have colorful and unique costumes for every single x-men member. Now I won't hold my breath on this because the X-Men movie costumes are usually all black and we don't know if the costumes that Mystique and Quicksilver are wearing are indeed the X-Men costumes, but something tells me they are not the final costumes. Those costumes seem like quick protection costumes for the team before they get new ones.

 

[roach]

not all are perfect... but all are recognizable. we can't honestly say the same about half the X-men (unless you identify them just when using their abilities) which is the point of his message.

Who was not recognizable?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

IMO they didn't get Cap right until Winter Soldier (ability wise)

I think that certainly nailed him, not saying the past was wrong.. but it didn't show everything he could do

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Who was not recognizable?

i have a list a page back or so.. wrote it up yesterday.. with what X-men they nailed, which ones they missed the mark.. and which ones didn't remotely capture the character.

but a quick one is Storm... this movie looks like she's capturing a young storm.. but Storm on film thus far, has never had the gravitas and regality she does in the comics... and has never felt like the same character at all to me... just "singers version" which is fine, i actually like halle.. but she doesn't invoke the storm i know

 

[roach]

I think that certainly nailed him, not saying the past was wrong.. but it didn't show everything he could do

agreed. Before Winter Soldier the best showing of what a super soldier could do (IMO) was the fight in TIH

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Yes, the highly comic accurate Incredible Hulk.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

agreed. Before Winter Soldier the best showing of what a super soldier could do (IMO) was the fight in TIH

yeah SS Blonsky was pretty good

 

[YoungBlood]

Yes, the highly comic accurate Incredible Hulk.

Don't forget about his relationship with Black Widow, it was so compelling to see them in the comics.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

but as you just said so yourself.. her having the accent is something you want as a fan, aka your opinion. And not something marvel can prove she'd have.

Marvel doesn't need to prove anything. LOL. She's native Russian. That's your proof.

It was the same thing with Blonsky in TIH. Tim Roth dropped the Russian accent.

Do you want to know why?

http://www.superherohype.com/features/95363-tim-roth-on-the-incredible-hulks-abomination

We also asked whether he had to take on a Russian accent to play Blonsky. “No,” Roth responded. “Do you know why? They wouldn’t pay for a dialect coach,” he said with a laugh. “So now it’s London.”

Regardless.. at least there's an explanation as to why she doesn't have one in the MCU.. and that was answered in Agent Carter.. so while we want it or not.. it's at least explained.

So it's not the lack of accents that are the issue but the lack of exposition in regards to the lack of accents?

Maybe in the new TV show FOX is developing, they'll spend a good amount time explaining the lack of accents in the film franchise?

Or maybe not.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Marvel doesn't need to prove anything. LOL. She's native Russian. That's your proof.

It was the same thing with Blonsky in TIH. Tim Roth dropped the Russian accent.

Do you want to know why?

http://www.superherohype.com/features/95363-tim-roth-on-the-incredible-hulks-abomination

We also asked whether he had to take on a Russian accent to play Blonsky. “No,” Roth responded. “Do you know why? They wouldn’t pay for a dialect coach,” he said with a laugh. “So now it’s London.”



So it's not the lack of accents that are the issue but the lack of exposition in regards to the lack of accents?

Maybe in the new TV show FOX is developing, they'll spend a good amount time explaining the lack of accents in the film franchise?

Or maybe not.

Blonsky was never russian in the movie.. so that part made since... i mean im sure his lineage is but just because your last name is russian doesn't mean you were born and raised in russia

yeah, for me it's totally the exposition.. don't take me into a foreign country, and introduce a character from that country and not give them an accent if you want me to believe they are from said country.

Widow started young... she was broken of her own identity at a very very young age... (the films have stated this) there's far more believably as to why she doesn't have an accent compared to others... that's the wrong argument to be fighting..

Banshee not having one made sense for First Class since he wasn't from Ireland.. but as a big banshee fan it bothered me.. but didn't suspend my belief...

if these new X-men are plucked from all the corners of the earth.. and don't have accents.. that's just lazy

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Blonsky was never russian in the movie.. so that part made since... i mean im sure his lineage is but just because your last name is russian doesn't mean you were born and raised in russia

yeah, for me it's totally the exposition.. don't take me into a foreign country, and introduce a character from that country and not give them an accent if you want me to believe they are from said country.

Widow started young... she was broken of her own identity at a very very young age... (the films have stated this) there's far more believably as to why she doesn't have an accent compared to others... that's the wrong argument to be fighting..

Banshee not having one made sense for First Class since he wasn't from Ireland.. but as a big banshee fan it bothered me.. but didn't suspend my belief...

if these new X-men are plucked from all the corners of the earth.. and don't have accents.. that's just lazy

Your missing the point Spideyboy. Blonsky wasn't Russian in the movie because Marvel was too cheap to hire a dialect coach for him. That's why that change was made.

Look I love Marvel too but again back to my original point, they're just as guilty of dropping accents as this franchise. It's okay to admit that.

 

[Sun_Down]

Aesthetics are very important. Marvel nails that part every time. The look, and power level from comic to movie screen has translated perfectly. I'm fine with the story being changed, otherwise I will know exactly what will happen. But keep the characters accurate... if not then make a movie about your own made up characters.

How about fundamentally changing a character's personality, ala Tony Stark? Outside of the look, he's nothing like Tony. He's just RDJ in a suit. I can't recal Tony in the comics as this snarky one-line machine.

Now don't get me wrong, RDJ in an Iron Man suit is HIGHLY compelling, but faithful? Only in appearance. To me, that's a bigger change that Logan's height or Apocalypse's skin tone.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Your missing the point Spideyboy. Blonsky wasn't Russian in the movie because Marvel was too cheap to hire a dialect coach for him. That's why that change was made.

Look I love Marvel too but again back to my original point, they're just as guilty of dropping accents as this franchise. It's okay to admit that.

im not missing any point.. he wasn't russian for that reason, but also wasn't russian in the context of the film... your point?

i'm going by the movie.. not behind the scenes stuff...

if the pulled that now, that they had money.. then yes.. i'd be right there with ya.. and just as upset..

THIS IS NOT A MARVEL VS FOX THING... people need to quit that notion.. just because someone comments on this film in a negative way.. DOES NOT mean they hate fox.. nor does it mean they are saying "marvel is better"

 

[Endeavor]

IMO they didn't get Cap right until Winter Soldier (ability wise)

Agree with you there. Everything before that left me wanting more.
I hope the same happens with Thor in his 3rd film.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How about fundamentally changing a character's personality, ala Tony Stark? Outside of the look, he's nothing like Tony. He's just RDJ in a suit. I can't recal Tony in the comics as this snarky one-line machine.

Now don't get me wrong, RDJ in an Iron Man suit is HIGHLY compelling, but faithful? Only in appearance. To me, that's a bigger change that Logan's height or Apocalypse's skin tone.

well to be fair.. Tony's personality was getting pretty snarky (not as much exactly) but still snarky since the early 00s...

and especially was in the comics the movie armor was designed from...

it's just not how he was "originally" portrayed. But He was still snarky.. even through the New Avengers and Civil War runs.. and those predated Ironman 1

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

 

[kasjan]

in nearly all movies all aliens speak the native tongue of the film at some point.. (even the elves in lord of the rings) or else you have to create a whole new language.. and no one wants to watch an entire movie in focused on a character in fake language with subtitles...

try harder next time. that reasoning is asinine.

Try harder this time.
I'm not saying about them talking alien to alien, but they speak in english with Americans.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Try harder this time.
I'm not saying about them talking alien to alien, but they speak in english with Americans.

and? that's most movies when dealing with aliens.. your point? they break all rules.. but earthlings should not...

 

[Sleiek]

Sorry for offtopic. Why are we arguing Fox vs Marvel? Seems pointless to me.

IMO they didn't get Cap right until Winter Soldier (ability wise)

Agreed. But I loved The First Avenger because they got his character right and he was more relatable than the other Avengers. It was the moment when I became a fan of Cap as far as MCU is concerned.

Then Winter Soldier came out and we finally got a badass hero with no superpowers who seemed like he is up in the ranks of Thor. I still say, Thor is the most badass Marvel character though. We just don't see that in Marvel movies.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

This x 100. I can't get enough X-men. I'm a fan, I love the series. I will watch all things X-men any and every time. Doesn't surprise me that a guy that is fine with the changes fox has made to the original product, and defends these things to the bitter end, also doesn't want to take the time to watch a tv show that explains things more in depth. Doesn't surprise me at all. And you wonder why I would Imply I am more of a fan than you. SMH. Your not a fan, your a passer by, and thats why when I hear Apoc, looks good, it tells me a lot about your level of fandom. I know this is not 100% true for all, so for the fans that would love a tv show and would love to watch everything X-men/Marvel who also happen to like Apoc's new look, this is not meant for you.

Just because somebody likes Apoc's look and you don't doesn't make you any more of a fan, and it doesn't make them any less of a fan. It's just differing opinions. I'm so sick of hearing this.

Aesthetics are very important. Marvel nails that part every time. The look, and power level from comic to movie screen has translated perfectly. I'm fine with the story being changed, otherwise I will know exactly what will happen. But keep the characters accurate... if not then make a movie about your own made up characters.

Thor, Hawkeye, Falcon, Gamora, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Ronan... just to name a few.

Sorry for offtopic. Why are we arguing Fox vs Marvel? Seems pointless to me.

Right? It always seems to break into that out of nowhere.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sorry for offtopic. Why are we arguing Fox vs Marvel? Seems pointless to me.



Agreed. But I loved The First Avenger because they got his character right and he was more relatable than the other Avengers. It was the moment when I became a fan of Cap as far as MCU is concerned.

Then Winter Soldier came out and we finally got a badass hero with no superpowers who seemed like he is up in the ranks of Thor. I still say, Thor is the most badass Marvel character though. We just don't see that in Marvel movies.

Agrees... im over the constant "if you diss something fox does, you automatically get marvel bashing" its not a studio fued... jesus, its a comment on a specific film or franchise... not the studio

 

[Flint Marko]

Lol at anyone debating whether or not Marvel makes their characters look straight out of the comics. I'm not saying it's a perfect representation every time, but point me to any studio that even comes close to their track record.

Which would be a good argument if the reaming wasn't going on long before release and that number

Dang you're right. It's not like the movie looked mediocre and bland from every teaser, sounded awful every time someone involved opened their mouth, and was intentionally being hidden by the studio for how much of a trainwreck it was rumored to be.
You're right, totally undeserved