Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

[BeholdMe]

Everyone did. No one saw the build up because it wasn't there. Nothing pointed towards a relationship between the two. It's comical that we've freely said all the problems we feel for the X-films but some have such a hard time with critiquing anything MCU related (again I'm not pointing anyone out). We're not saying there terrible movies for having terrible parts in them. We're saying they arent perfect just like Fox.

Exactly this im quick to point out the flaws in this franchise because neither is perfect as you said.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Same here. I seen The Avengers numerous times and I do not recall any hinting of Widow/Hulk romance and I know the scenes where they interacted with each other. Just because they had shared some screen time doesn't mean a romance was developing.(Now Widow/Cap on TWS on the other hand.....) At least on X1 and X2, it showed Wolverine developing feelings for Jean, now grated X3 messed up, but at least attraction was shown.

there was absolutely nothing in the narrative about it.. but people read into crazy stuff like conversations, body language, passing glances.. that kinda stuff..

just as people read into widow and cap... "oh my gosh, there's a spy kiss.. they must have the feelings"

or when people read into Hawkeye and Widow.. because they're good friends.. who care for eachother.. "must be love"

narrative wise none of those relationships were hinted at.. but people read into them.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Everyone did. No one saw the build up because it wasn't there. Nothing pointed towards a relationship between the two. It's comical that we've freely said all the problems we feel for the X-films but some have such a hard time with critiquing anything MCU related (again I'm not pointing anyone out). We're not saying there terrible movies for having terrible parts in them. We're saying they arent perfect just like Fox.

X-Men films have invented romances for films too

Rogue/Iceman-although the pre AOA comics from 1994 showed them getting
closer as friends
Magneto/Mystique
Kitty/iceman
Mystique/beast

mystique/beast was worse.so forced and they refuse to let it go.

 

[BeholdMe]

They had scenes together and they spoke... so obvious they are in love.

If anything pointed towards a relationship developing with Bruce and another Avenger in TA it was Tony.

I can't with jaymes lol. Bruce and Tony lmao

 

[X-Maniac]

I think her character has always been multifaceted. She's not just a feisty sotherner as some like to shoehorn her as but rather a very damaged individual who had a very tumultuous life. When she meets the X-Men after her taking Ms. Marvel's power she was a wreck. She was more of an introvert for a longer period of time than most give her credit for.

I'm actually not arguing you saying that was a nod in the productions head but it was a very "I want to save face" move for me. I actually agree with many of your points I disagree with the thought that Angel is being redone because they have a name in common. They are completely different characters. Let's move on.

Repeated names annoy me as much as repeated characters.

And it was indeed mentioned by someone official that Angel in FC was a nod to the Angel in the original comics team, despite being different characters. We all talked about it on here, it gave some additional justification for including that crappy character in the movie. No face-saving was going on with me at all.

I'm not saying Angel/Archangel in Apocalypse is a redone version of Angel in FC, I'm just pointing out it's a symptom of a lack of overall planning.

So, yes, let's move on

 

[spideyboy_1111]

X-Men films have invented romances for films too

Rogue/Iceman-although the pre AOA comics from 1994 showed them getting
closer as friends
Magneto/Mystique
Kitty/iceman
Mystique/beast

mystique/beast was worse.so forced and they refuse to let it go.

all terrible... imo lol

i don't know why everyone needs to be paired off in films anyway.. it's a bit annoying

 

[BeholdMe]

Same here. I seen The Avengers numerous times and I do not recall any hinting of Widow/Hulk romance and I know the scenes where they interacted with each other. Just because they had shared some screen time doesn't mean a romance was developing.(Now Widow/Cap on TWS on the other hand.....) At least on X1 and X2, it showed Wolverine developing feelings for Jean, now grated X3 messed up, but at least attraction was shown.

I agree they did have some scenes together but honestly I picked up on nothing of that nature. Her and Hawkeye though I literally felt like there was something just how they interacted with each other but then I realized it wasn't in AoU when I saw his wife and kids but that's not here nor there because people cheat lol.

all ive been saying the whole time is there ARE people who picked up on it.. that's it... not sure why some of you feel as if it's my opinion or if your critiques aren't allowed.. it's all over-reacting imo... but to make statements such as "NO ONE SAW IT" or "WHEDON HAD TO QUIT TWITTER OVER IT" Jaymes seems to be making are completely incorrect...

People pick up on alot of crazy crap that isn't very noticeable if at all.. but that doesn't stop a chunk of people from doing it and pushing it.

Well honestly it sounded like you were just throwing your opinion that what we were saying was obsolete and we were just crazy thinking that Bruce/Widow pairing was forced until the last page that is. I usually catch flirting in movies but I just never saw it onscreen between them two. We felt our critiques were allowed because they were met with you adamantly saying we were wrong and like it was us hating or something, when my point was the relationship felt forced and there seemed to be no evidence of a relationship. I wasn't overreacting

 

[GuestStar2004]

her hulk terror wouldn't of made sense... Widow shows vulnerability with banner, something she never showed with Cap or Tony.. and both were missions... Tony was sex appeal out the ying yang.. but of course she was undercover the whole time... so you can't really judge any relationship she had with tony based on that... post IM2 she and Tony haven't really had one on one time... unlike her an cap.

with cap, it never came off as anything but a friendship to me.. sure a little flirt teasing.. and and I think cap might have for a moment felt something for her.. but for Widow it was again, all part of the game (which is very much part of her character) As for hulk.. in Avengers AOU she was incredibly vulnerable while flirting and trying to talk to him.. a very very different scenerio

Whether it would have made sense or not it was pretty obvious a romance ended up being a second thought, they quite clearly played oh her fear of the hulk when She was shaking in the corner in the first movie.

 

[BoredGuy]

Oh god, how did the Bruce/Nat relationship talk infect this thread??

This is the X-men board, right?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree they did have some scenes together but honestly I picked up on nothing of that nature. Her and Hawkeye though I literally felt like there was something just how they interacted with each other but then I realized it wasn't in AoU when I saw his wife and kids but that's not here nor there because people cheat lol.


Well honestly it sounded like you were just throwing your opinion that what we were saying was obsolete and we were just crazy thinking that Bruce/Widow pairing was forced until the last page that is. I usually catch flirting in movies but I just never saw it onscreen between them two. We felt our critiques were allowed because they were met with you adamantly saying we were wrong and like it was us hating or something, when my point was the relationship felt forced and there seemed to be no evidence of a relationship. I wasn't overreacting

and that's where this boards defense mechanism comes in... everyone assumes.. and doesn't try to actually understand what the person is saying.. but instead jump to conclusions... (cat call to jaymes, i love ya! but you're notorious for this!) Your critiques are 100%allowed, and i even agree with them. But when words like "everyone" or "no one" etc are thrown in.. and false info is thrown out.. I'll correct you. which is what i was doing. Your opinion isn't wrong.. but false info is ... (jaymes generalizes more so than you though)

 

[X-Maniac]

In FC apart from Xavier,Magneto,mystique,and beast they were simply taking characters to fill up room for Hellfire or team.

Darwin was likely killed becayse vaughn turned FC into a bond like film.remember bond films often have sacrifical lamb to be killed by enemy.

many franchises go on film by film basis.MCU is more like a tv show than indivual films.where directors of indivual films are more like tv directors.
Even so I serious doudt the never make changes.clearly civil war wasn't always planned to be third cap film.i don't believe for second spider-man was always planned to be in civil war.and third avengers was clearly going to be on film not 2.they had to reneograte with downey for civil war and withe vans and hemsworth to be in both parts of Infinity war.I seriously doudt the plan always was for batman to be in Man of steel sequel.

I'm not here to talk about other franchises though. I'm here to talk about X-Men.

fans don't help matters.despite all their complaning on contunity some want rogue and iceman In next X-Men film.future ending of DOFp/Wolverine solo film be damned.

They want a better Rogue and I can see why. Singer had chance to redeem her in DoFP but didn't really achieve that. No idea if/how she will get redone in a future film.

The shared universe thing has drawbacks.after reviews for BVS WB is locked into justice league.

I find it hillous now Bryan singer made a superman film better reviewed than
both of Zach snyder's films with superman.

Superman has gone from one extreme to another. From Singer's more thoughtful version to Snyder's full-on version. But that's not a discussion for this forum, except to show that holding back doesn't always deliver at the box office with this type of material...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Whether it would have made sense or not it was pretty obvious a romance ended up being a second thought, they quite clearly played oh her fear of the hulk when She was shaking in the corner in the first movie

i don't disagree with that.. but there's a very beauty and the beast type relationship with them... look i can't speak for how or why people think what they do.. or why there were pushers and people thinking a relationship would happen. I can only tell you from my personal experiences that PEOPLE DID SEE SOMETHING.... that's it. Trying to debate with me how or why people saw something.. is a dead end convo because i'm not one who agrees with them or would have wanted it to go in that direction.. but people saw something.

 

[BeholdMe]

and that's where this boards defense mechanism comes in... everyone assumes.. and doesn't try to actually understand what the person is saying.. but instead jump to conclusions... (cat call to jaymes, i love ya! but you're notorious for this!) Your critiques are 100%allowed, and i even agree with them. But when words like "everyone" or "no one" etc are thrown in.. and false info is thrown out.. I'll correct you. which is what i was doing. Your opinion isn't wrong.. but false info is ... (jaymes generalizes more so than you though)

Yes people assume but you do that as well spideyboy lol, your tone a few pages back were like your opinion and us just being wrong. Idk whether you were sharing your frustration from someone on everyone because we were all discussing it at one time. I didn't give you any false info to be heard. I said there was evidence of that romance which we both agree on now, and that you being a big fan of the MU franchise.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm not here to talk about other franchises though. I'm here to talk about X-Men.



They want a better Rogue and I can see why. Singer had chance to redeem her in DoFP but didn't really achieve that. No idea if/how she will get redone in a future film.



Superman has gone from one extreme to another. From Singer's more thoughtful version to Snyder's full-on version. But that's not a discussion for this forum, except to show that holding back doesn't always deliver at the box office with this type of material...

for practual purposes before apocalypse hits we have 2 full team films that matter-FC and DOFP and one spin-off film-deadpool. with female characters
everything is pointing to storm and jean making up for fact mystique was only female character with much focus in FC and DOFP.

with DOFP most of female characters were stuck in future part of film which was 20-25% of total film.problem with some if they just want the 1990's animated rogue onscreen.there was a lot of depth to rogue that was in comics especilly in 1980's leading up to it.

when it comes to singer as director i find it crazy that i felt more about superman weakened in superman returns risking life to save people from luthor's content than what happens at end of BVS.

singer was attacked for making superman stalker In superman returns because he followed her one time to know how lois felt yet In BVS noone seemed to mind Superman showing up as bit of stalker the moment lois is in danger.

I have no doudt singer will have great characters as well as action In APocalypse.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes people assume but you do that as well spideyboy lol, your tone a few pages back were like your opinion and us just being wrong. Idk whether you were sharing your frustration from someone on everyone because we were all discussing it at one time. I didn't give you any false info to be heard. I said there was evidence of that romance which we both agree on now, and that you being a big fan of the MU franchise.

i only got defensive when you spoke as if me being a MCU fanboy means i can't admit any negativity to it.. much like jaymes did.. as if my opinion matters not because im a "mcu fanboy" just as much as many of you don't like being assumed you have no opinion for being an "xmen fanboy" therefor must hate anything MCU...

i have a major pet peeve towards anyone who thinks that way... because it's completely more reasonable to like and dislike things in both, and still be a fan of both.. yes.. i like the way the MCU handles their material better.. but that doesn't mean im not an X-men film fan.. nor does it make me biased.. I just like one formula better than the other.

 

[jaymes_e06]

all terrible... imo lol

i don't know why everyone needs to be paired off in films anyway.. it's a bit annoying

Agreed all were pretty stupid. Nat and Bruce is even worse imo.

 

[BeholdMe]

i only got defensive when you spoke as if me being a MCU fanboy means i can't admit any negativity to it.. much like jaymes did.. as if my opinion matters not because im a "mcu fanboy" just as much as many of you don't like being assumed you have no opinion for being an "xmen fanboy" therefor must hate anything MCU...

i have a major pet peeve towards anyone who thinks that way... because it's completely more reasonable to like and dislike things in both, and still be a fan of both.. yes.. i like the way the MCU handles their material better.. but that doesn't mean im not an X-men film fan.. nor does it make me biased.. I just like one formula better than the other.

I personally wasn't saying your opinion didn't matter but sometimes truly your love for the franchise it seems you can't see that's it's not a perfect franchise either. There are sometimes by your own comments where you do act like MU is just perfect and has no flaws I've personally never seen you talk I'll of them until the last few pages. I respect your opinion though because I'm more a fan of the X franchise but I do like the DC universe as well as some parts of the MU but I don't ignore the flaws in either(not saying you don't either) you like the way the MU handles their material better is very understandable and nothing wrong with that but some arguments you can see that with you. Hell I love Scarlet Witch lol so I don't hate the franchise.

 

[jaymes_e06]

i only got defensive when you spoke as if me being a MCU fanboy means i can't admit any negativity to it.. much like jaymes did.. as if my opinion matters not because im a "mcu fanboy" just as much as many of you don't like being assumed you have no opinion for being an "xmen fanboy" therefor must hate anything MCU...

i have a major pet peeve towards anyone who thinks that way... because it's completely more reasonable to like and dislike things in both, and still be a fan of both.. yes.. i like the way the MCU handles their material better.. but that doesn't mean im not an X-men film fan.. nor does it make me biased.. I just like one formula better than the other.

You are the most paranoid person... I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm talking about Marvel zombies that think that any franchise needs to give the rights to Disney. I wasn't targeting anyone specifically. You just reminded me of that annoyance I have for those type of people. I kept reiterating that I didn't mean to target you. Reread the posts. I even went back on one to make sure it was clear. You even highlight me saying it in one of your posts.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I personally wasn't saying your opinion didn't matter but sometimes truly your love for the franchise it seems you can't see that's it's not a perfect franchise either. There are sometimes by your own comments where you do act like MU is just perfect and has no flaws I've personally never seen you talk I'll of them until the last few pages. I respect your opinion though because I'm more a fan of the X franchise but I do like the DC universe as well as some parts of the MU but I don't ignore the flaws in either(not saying you don't either) you like the way the MU handles their material better is very understandable and nothing wrong with that but some arguments you can see that with you. Hell I love Scarlet Witch lol so I don't hate the franchise.

well you would be 100% incorrect. Don't assume anything. I don't talk about them often in here.. because there's been no reason to.. this is the X-men thread after all. if you ventured much into the spidey threads.. or were in the IM3 thread.. or AOU thread you would have seen my complaints. so don't project assumptions.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You are the most paranoid person... I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm talking about Marvel zombies that think that any franchise needs to give the rights to Disney. I wasn't targeting anyone specifically. You just reminded me of that annoyance I have for those type of people. I kept reiterating that I didn't mean to target yo. Reread the posts. I even went back on one to make sure it was clear. You even highlight me saying it in one of your posts.

oh please.. don't pee on me and tell me it's raining.. don't quote my posts and speak of fanboyism and assume no one takes it as if it's referring to me. Especially with your past comments that were very much about me.

and most marvel properties would be better off with marvel.. if that makes me a zombie, so be it. the only one that shouldn't be is deadpool.. because he deserves more than netflix and Marvel wont do R

 

[BeholdMe]

well you would be 100% incorrect. Don't assume anything. I don't talk about them often in here.. because there's been no reason to.. this is the X-men thread after all. if you ventured much into the spidey threads.. or were in the IM3 thread.. or AOU thread you would have seen my complaints. so don't project assumptions.

Im not assuming anything all I'm going off right now is your comments up here. So no I'm assuming anything bad about you in the slightest. I can understand now why you don't discuss the other franchise unless it does come up. Unlike when we got distracted when we started discussing the women in Marvel.

 

[Endeavor]

Somebody remind me, this latest trailer was the first full trailer, right?
The one we got before was the teaser... Right?

 

[jaymes_e06]

oh please.. don't pee on me and tell me it's raining.. don't quote my posts and speak of fanboyism and assume no one takes it as if it's referring to me. Especially with your past comments that were very much about me.

and most marvel properties would be better off with marvel.. if that makes me a zombie, so be it. the only one that shouldn't be is deadpool.. because he deserves more than netflix and Marvel wont do R

If I expressly say they aren't why assume they are? You think I'm thinking of you in every post I make? You're probably the most sensitive poster here. Why should I have to monitor my post all the time to make sure you don't take them the wrong way? Please have a seat...

I'm saying Any franchise including DC. Irrational fans (again I'm not saying you are that).

 

[jaymes_e06]

Somebody remind me, this latest trailer was the first full trailer, right?
The one we got before was the teaser... Right?

Yep. Then also the superbowl ad.

 

[Endeavor]

Ok, so we should get at least one more theatrical trailer before premier.
I hope they don't spoil too much.