Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

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I'd be worried if they had pushed the date back for any other reason but reshoots. They shot principal under budget, and are now improving the third act. Big deal. If the film is horrible, it's probably unsalvageable by now anyway.

Then again, I'm only seeing like half the replies here since anyone who posts daily here only to **** on the film for no reason in particular I've put on ignore weeks ago. It's like 2014 here again, feels good.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yea people hate Kinberg for no reason in particular. Lol good one.

Id say there has been nothing to state the quality of the film. if you wanna bring up reworkings of the 3rd act as a sign of something bad then you might aswell bring up that some people who seen screenings have said its pretty good to balance that out.

Where in my original post (that you conveniently hacked up) did I say his quote said any of that?

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Happy Storm Month everyone!

 

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Yea people hate Kinberg for no reason in particular. Lol good one.

There's a difference between being pessimistic about his work, and deciding a year in advance that this is going to be the worst film ever made and gleefully wishing it to fail. I'm not going to participate in that, and neither should this thread be for that.

 

[SumT]

Yea people hate Kinberg for no reason in particular. Lol good one.

the denial is real, lol.
the main movies have lost audience "for no reason" too t:

only the x-men fans lol

 

[EnDz0n3]

There's a difference between being pessimistic about his work, and deciding a year in advance that this is going to be the worst film ever made and gleefully wishing it to fail. I'm not going to participate in that, and neither should this thread be for that.

People are just being realistic based on the guy’s filmography and what he’s delivered (or not delivered, as the case may be), precisely because he’s already worked with these same characters before. And failed horribly.

For every Kinberg promise of talking up what he’s going to accomplish with an unreleased X-men film, there’s a Kinberg mea culpa of him saying they obviously missed the mark post film release and swear to deliver next time.

Good on you if you think this is finally the one.

But there’s optimism. Then there’s blind faith.

Some of us simply have ran out of patience and understanding. Fool me once and all that.

Funnily enough most of the people here are more than optimistic about the future of the X-men especially since they’ll soon be actual leads in their own movie and they’ll eventually join the likes of the Avengers, Spidey, Dr Strange, The Guardians et al.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Where in my original post (that you conveniently hacked up) did I say his quote said any of that?

Just reading between the lines of your post. its pretty much one big oh this film sucks already and this is why post.

And any balancing arguments are just excuses.

There's a difference between being pessimistic about his work, and deciding a year in advance that this is going to be the worst film ever made and gleefully wishing it to fail. I'm not going to participate in that, and neither should this thread be for that.

I agree it really stands out as desperately full on at times, which is odd since usually its people hoping a film ends up decent if not good.

And if there isn't even a hint of hoping its any good then i don't get why follow this film at all on here.

 

[Zarex]

Ragnorok also had a change in director and tone going by the logo change from early concepts. Same thing happened to BP as far as the aforementioned director changes.

Taika Waititi and Ryan Coogler were the only directors hired for Thor:Ragnarok and Black Panther, respectively. There were no director changes for either film.

 

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People are just being realistic based on the guy’s filmography and what he’s delivered (or not delivered, as the case may be), precisely because he’s already worked with these same characters before. And failed horribly.

For every Kinberg promise of talking up what he’s going to accomplish with an unreleased X-men film, there’s a Kinberg mea culpa of him saying they obviously missed the mark post film release and swear to deliver next time.

Good on you if you think this is finally the one.

But there’s optimism. Then there’s blind faith.

Some of us simply have ran out of patience and understanding. Fool me once and all that.

Funnily enough most of the people here are more than optimistic about the future of the X-men especially since they’ll soon be actual leads in their own movie and they’ll eventually join the likes of the Avengers, Spidey, Dr Strange, The Guardians et al.

I wasn't referring to you, you know who I'm talking about. I don't trust in his direction yet either, but I will take everything we get from this film with it's own merits.

 

[EnDz0n3]

And if there isn't even a hint of hoping its any good then i don't get why follow this film at all on here.

We're X-men fans and we hope the *best* for the team, the characters.

Since 2006, Kinberg has shown time and again that he's not *that.*

Again, filmography. Sorry if facts aren't on your side.

 

[GuestStar2004]

We're X-men fans and we hope the *best* for the team, the characters.

But your arguments feel less hopeful or fairly pessimistic and more just spite.

This film could certainly go either way in terms of quality but i feel like you already decided which one it would make you feel better for it to be.

I'l leave it there since i don't wanna create a long running bickering thread on this debate that will end it being deleted.

 

[EnDz0n3]

But your arguments feel less hopeful or fairly pessimistic and more just spiteful.

This film could certainly go either way in terms of quality but i feel like you already decided which one you would prefer the outcome to be.

Prefer? More like expect. Big difference.

But please tell us again how your gut tells you this will be the next DOFP. I've heard that brought up a couple times now on the boards and it honestly feels like it wasn't intended as a joke.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Prefer? More like expect. Big difference.

But please tell us again how your gut tells you this will be the next DOFP. I've heard that brought up a couple times now on the boards and it honestly feels like it wasn't intended as a joke.

Because there is a fair chance it could end up another DOFP. he did write that movie after all and while its easy to say it was all on Singer when its good and when its bad its all on Kinberg that's just unbalanced logic.

It may not end up great, it may not totally suck either, it could be just ok, it could be surprisingly good, it could be the worst movie ever, that final result will have to wait for time being.

With all those possible conclusions in mind though when you already made your mind up and some of it tends to get a little exaggerated at times its hard to see it as just an expectation.

I'l leave it there.

 

[Jh7058622]

Taika Waititi and Ryan Coogler were the only directors hired for Thor:Ragnarok and Black Panther, respectively. There were no director changes for either film.

I'm sorry not Ragnorok but TDW and Ava Duvernay passed on it not replaced. Still there have been many underhanded and questionable ethics in Marvel Disney's past with the way it handles it's cast and creative teams before a film is out. That doesn't mean that the end product will be bad.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yea people hate Kinberg for no reason in particular. Lol good one.



Where in my original post (that you conveniently hacked up) did I say his quote said any of that?

Ene said this film not Kinberg. Also your time machine must be nice to know how a first time director is going to turn out.

 

[Charzhin0]

Meh more daily useless bickering. All we can go on is the intial word of mouth from test screenings where the general consesus was "its pretty good".

 

[KidxMikexMcfly]

I hope we get a trailer soon

 

[Mars123]

I’ve been quietly reading this thread for a while recently and I haven’t learnt too much about the film.... seems very secretive this time... minus the reshoots and rewrites of the third act lol

 

[Tymminator]

I'm really kinda surprised that at CinemaCon all they showed was the Title card, I would figure a teaser of some sort at least.

I get that it was punted back a few months and that could possibly be why there is no trailer, but New Mutants was punted over a year, even has some rumors it may not even come out to theaters and it STILL had ONE trailer to its name.

 

[psylockolussus]

Because it was supposed to come out last month and they had the trailer 6 months out before its original release date.

As for the usual suspect, Kinberg have burnt me with X3, Fantastic Four and Apocalypse. I am not liking the over all direction of the entire franchise right now. Deadpool in the present is only interacting with Colossus and some d list students of Xavier institute. The X-Men's stories are set in the past. New Mutants look cheap and obviously in trouble. They can't even prove us wrong about Gambit since they couldn't get their **** together for that film. To top all this, Kinberg's directorial debut is a X-Men film. Like its a mess.

 

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I imagine a teaser is happening in SDCC, probably in closed doors and on the internet. They should have a lot of finished special effects too by now, so it should look dazzling. It's still a mystery what kind of an aesthetic Kinberg is going for, so it's all exciting.

I could definitely do with a few new pictures to celebrate Deadpool 2, or something.

 

[psylockolussus]

I can not wait to see those cheers for Kinberg when they introduce him as the director of the film.

 

[Cktopl33]

So funny. I keep hearing all the blame directed at Kinberg for X3, Fantastic Four, and Apocalypse.....particularly when he was a co-writer on all of them, with two films crediting the directors as part of the writing team. Let's see.....X3 had two writers....Fantastic Four had three writers.....Apocalypse had four writers. Nothing about any of the other said writers on these movies. It's all Kinberg. Ignored how studio meddling affected the direction of two of these films aside from the writers and directors. And not a single peep about any of the directors (Brett Ratner, Josh Trank, Bryan Singer) who were actually responsible for the film's direction, vision, and outcome. They make it seem like Kinberg was the only writer on those movies and directed them all himself.

I will await the outcome of Dark Phoenix to make my judgement, a film solely his writing alone and his directing alone. If the film is bad then that's his responsibility due to him having complete control. But I wonder what the response from some of his criticizers will be if the film ends up having positive rating? Especially if reviews are higher than Apocalypse (according to some test screening reactions, that's a possibility). They won't be able to deflect the success onto other things because he will be the only writer and sole director controlling the film's creative vision.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So funny. I keep hearing all the blame directed at Kinberg for X3, Fantastic Four, and Apocalypse.....particularly when he was a co-writer on all of them, with two films crediting the directors as part of the writing team. Let's see.....X3 had two writers....Fantastic Four had three writers.....Apocalypse had four writers. Nothing about any of the other said writers on these movies. It's all Kinberg. Ignored how studio meddling affected the direction of two of these films aside from the writers and directors. And not a single peep about any of the directors (Brett Ratner, Josh Trank, Bryan Singer) who were actually responsible for the film's direction, vision, and outcome. They make it seem like Kinberg was the only writer on those movies and directed them all himself.

I will await the outcome of Dark Phoenix to make my judgement, a film solely his writing alone and his directing alone. If the film is bad then that's his responsibility due to him having complete control. But I wonder what the response from some of his criticizers will be if the film ends up having positive rating? Especially if reviews are higher than Apocalypse (according to some test screening reactions, that's a possibility). They won't be able to deflect the success onto other things because he will be the only writer and sole director controlling the film's creative vision.

... ... he's the common denominator lol he deserves a good chunk of blame

 

[Cktopl33]

... ... he's the common denominator lol he deserves a good chunk of blame

Meh.....not really. No more than the other writers who worked on those scripts since he's not the sole writer on these movies. He also doesn't deserve the blame for the outcome of those films. We often contribute the success or failure of movies to their director. Directors have all the control, including the direction of the script. Remember, directors are the ones who have final say on a script and the X-men scripts are usually written from scratch in collaboration with the directors rather than a script sold to the studio. These directors on those x-men films also seemingly had no problems with the scripts they directed since they had complete control over the script. As one director stated:

" I’ve learned, when working with others on a script I intend to product, a conversation is needed, upfront. I let the original script writer know that they’ll have the primary writing credit for the film, but, after I’m confident the script has potential and matches my style, I need to have full control over it at that point."

Another:

as a film student, i've basically learned that on the set, the director rules absolutely.

On a safer studio type of deal, there will be many people along the way that the director has to work with. Film is ultimately collaboration, so it's a good thing. The one that really gets screwed over in the whole deal is the writer.

Extremely common for a script to be rewritten during shooting of a film. A director will pay attention to what works and what doesn't work, and change the script accordingly. It's not uncommon for the writer to be available during the shoot, to rework scenes according to the director's preferences.