Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[Cktopl33]

if Sophie filmed XMA without any problem, with XMDP having a much longer post production she shouldnt have any issue. This is just damage control lol. And some fans just believe its "the normal thing" as Kinberg says. yeah, sure, Mr. Smith t:

Post production isn't principle photography, so that wouldn't usually include the actors. Post involves editing, visual effects works, sound design & effects, music, color grading. Actors would have moved on to their next project by then. Kinberg wanted more time to perfect the visual effects after what happened with Apocalypse.

I dont understand why some are trying so hard to cover that up. THR is legit, they have sources and Fox and they revealed the reason of the reshoots. The third act had isssues that Fox wanted to fix. What more do we need? and that aside, movie was pushed back 3 months, so the reshoots arent small. This is a bigger issue. Some dont want to accept this? its up to you lol.

Changing the release date isn't an indication of the scale of a reshoot. As I stated previously, Thor: Ragnarok changed release dates too (pushed back a month further compared to Dark Phoenix with over three weeks in reshoots). Justice League had allegedly 25 million in reshoots lasting two months, but still met its release date. And according to the 'THR insider' in the article claiming Dark Phoenix has 'massive reshoots'....well, the reshoots would cost under 10 million...in an under budget film. That's generally about one to two weeks of shooting. Standard amount of time for a typical reshoot. That is not major or extensive. That same article you quote from also state that Fox had been looking to change the release date for some time (likely before reshoots were even ordered) to place the film in a less competitive position, not because there were bigger issues with the film. In fact, the article doesn't really say there were any major issue at all with the movie. So, why then is it so hard for you to accept the response from THR, the very thing which you claim has legit sources? Is it because it's not what you want to hear?

 

[SumT]

excuses is all I read.
sorry, didnt read the full comment.

 

[SumT]

All is well under Fox!

definetly. They know what they are doing. They know how to make the X-Men justice

It doenst matter if the prequels wasted 70% of the actual x-men, they will do it right this time around!

 

[psylockolussus]

Thor: Ragnarok completed principle photography in Oct 2016. They did over three weeks of reshoots in July 2017- nine months later....just like Dark Phoenix is scheduled to have. And of course so many people forget that Disney/Marvel ALSO pushed back the release date for Thor: Ragnarok from July 2017 to Nov 2017 (a four month period). So this isn't something unique to Dark Phoenix or Fox. People just have Marvel bias.

Or maybe people simply have trust and more goodwill with Marvel? Which Marvel Stud10s have earned after delivering films with a clean track record at the box office, good public reception and good rotten tomatoes ratings. Also, they didn't hire the writers of the Dark World for the sequel to write.... Fox brought back the writer of Apocalypse (and Fantastic Four) and also to direct it? Like seriously, you really want people to suddenly have faith, goodwill, trust and give Fox the benefit of the doubt... When they couldn't get rid of a certain person with a bad track record which is possibly the root of the problem? If we have someone else working in this, the reshoots wouldn't be such a concern but this is a Simon Kinberg film we are talking about!

 

[Jh7058622]

excuses is all I read.
sorry, didnt read the full comment.

All I read is ******** in everyone of your comments sorry I never read them.

Like it or not until there's proof people are allowed to be skeptical and not have your same negative feelings about the film, or just indifference until swayed one way or another.

 

[Flint Marko]

Thor Ragnarok was pushed back because Marvel added Homecoming to their slate. Are we really trying to pretend that’s a comparable situation?

Also, does anyone else remember the “totally normal the movie is fine all is well” reshoots that FFINO had? I’m getting a lot of flashbacks to those discussions. I’ve been around here long enough to know when reshoots are totally normal and when the production isn’t in good shape. Make no mistake, this is definitely the latter. The only real question is whether or not the final movie will suffer because of it.

 

[Ryan1210]

Well Deadpool 2 went through a lot of reshoot like 7-8 weeks before its release (at least that's what the report said), but one of my friend said the movie is great. He's attending another fan screening next Friday & I'm trying to persuade him to get me in

 

[SumT]

if Fox signs a new writer for the reshoots, maybe the final result will be better.
Some/Many Hollywood productions use to have ghost directors, hopefully this one will have it too

 

[2kt09]

Not sure if we also talked about the fact the movie supposedly finished under budget
before reshoots.

 

[SumT]

cant wait for low profile action then.
so much for a really epic x-men movie.

 

[X-Maniac]

With these script changes to the third act, reshoots, a particularly lengthy period of post production AND a new release date, the film had better be damned good.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Some/Many Hollywood productions use to have ghost directors, hopefully this one will have it too

See even if you wanna talk about him as a writer its really odd to believe that has any impact on him as a working director.

Infact him going over budget would probably be seen as a more troubled director.

a particularly lengthy period of post production AND a new release date.

Given how FOX didn't mind rushing X-Men first class out, id say them giving the film more time to be worked on isn't a bad thing at all.

Infact i remember for DOFP it felt like a very lengthy post-production period because they filmed from 15 April 2013 - 17 August 2013 and did reshoots in November of 2013 for a May 2014 release

 

[SumT]

Thor Ragnarok was pushed back because Marvel added Homecoming to their slate. Are we really trying to pretend that’s a comparable situation?

its called convenient memory t:

Fox and Kinberg keep wasting the x-men, yet some fans keep hoping they will deliver next time around. its a bit sad, imho. no joke. its sad

 

[x-er]

Avengers 3 lived up to the hype! They really pulled off the ensemble / crossover cast and now I can't wait to see X-Men either do the same thing in their own universe OR come out of hiding in the MCU !! : D

 

[Jh7058622]

its called convenient memory t:

Fox and Kinberg keep wasting the x-men, yet some fans keep hoping they will deliver next time around. its a bit sad, imho. no joke. its sad

DOFP was a huge disappointment said no one. Convenient memory indeed. Lol

 

[Tymminator]

Was anything mentioned about this film in anyway at CinemiaCon?

 

[fobi]

Anyway, safe to assume there's probably no trailer with Deadpool. SDCC then?

 

[fobi]

Was anything mentioned about this film in anyway at CinemiaCon?

Just that title card.

 

[x-er]

DOFP was a huge disappointment said no one. Convenient memory indeed. Lol

it was great. but i never understood why rogue was cut out of the theatrical version (the one most people watched) and then didn't even get to fly. Meanwhile they put pregnant Halle Berry on ropes.

I also don't get why Fox doesn't put either DOFP or X2 on a popular streaming service instead of less successful X-films. They should be putting their best stuff out there, not X3 which has recently added to Hulu. Really?

 

[psylockolussus]

Dofp was great, but obviously Fox quickly dropped the ball with the Fantastic Four and Apocalypse.

With these script changes to the third act, reshoots, a particularly lengthy period of post production AND a new release date, the film had better be damned good.

Not with Simon Kinberg. That's like eXpecting Zack Snyder and Michael Bay to come up with a good movie after a couple of stinkers. And since this is Kinberg's 1st official directorial job...I guess this would be another "learning eXperience" for him.

 

[Jh7058622]

Thor Ragnarok was pushed back because Marvel added Homecoming to their slate. Are we really trying to pretend that’s a comparable situation?

Also, does anyone else remember the “totally normal the movie is fine all is well” reshoots that FFINO had? I’m getting a lot of flashbacks to those discussions. I’ve been around here long enough to know when reshoots are totally normal and when the production isn’t in good shape. Make no mistake, this is definitely the latter. The only real question is whether or not the final movie will suffer because of it.

Ragnorok also had a change in director and tone going by the logo change from early concepts. Same thing happened to BP as far as the aforementioned director changes.

 

[Jh7058622]

it was great. but i never understood why rogue was cut out of the theatrical version (the one most people watched) and then didn't even get to fly. Meanwhile they put pregnant Halle Berry on ropes.

I also don't get why Fox doesn't put either DOFP or X2 on a popular streaming service instead of less successful X-films. They should be putting their best stuff out there, not X3 which has recently added to Hulu. Really?

Halle didn't announce her pregnancy until halfway through filming making them shorten her role and action. As far as Rogue goes it's just a huge missed opportunity.

 

[psylockolussus]

And they didn't bring those two back for whatever reason, but hey more Xavier, Raven and Erik! well Storm was just turned in to a one dimensional villain.

 

[EnDz0n3]

And films aren't always pushed back because of 'improper scheduling' for reshoots. As said before, Fox rescheduled many of their films and shows, not just Dark Phoenix.

And yet their higher profile film (sad for me to type this) Deadpool 2 wasn't pushed back. On the contrary, it was pushed forward.

If I'm lucky maybe Dark Phoenix gets pushed back one more time never to see the light of day.

So this isn't something unique to Dark Phoenix or Fox. People just have Marvel bias.

No. People just don't trust Kinberg. And rightfully so. He hasn't given people any reason to.

Also why are you trying to stir the pot with your MCU Vs. Fox talk?

The reason is the visualization

And Kinberg said in december

"I wanted the post time to deliver on the nuance of the visual effects, not just the scale of them. That takes time".

You can quote Kinberg til the cows come home, but it doesn't make his statements any truer, especially statements about extent of the reshoots or the current quality of the film. The guy's simply not capable of delivering on any of the promises he makes.

That said:

I for one am kind of worried about this scenario. You plan out two movies. Shoot part one. Then have to go back and squeeze part two in to what? an extra 30 minutes? Maybe they allow for more. Doubt they would release some 3 hour epic. Hopefully it was always meant to be just one.

Maybe Kinberg and Fox are kicking themselves being all secretive, not announcing that this would be a 2-part movie. That would've been the perfect, ready-made excuse for Kinberg to deliver a less-than-satisfying movie. "Don't worry guys the story's not done yet. Part 2 is coming!"

 

[GuestStar2004]

or the current quality of the film.

Id say there has been nothing to state the quality of the film. if you wanna bring up reworkings of the 3rd act as a sign of something bad then you might aswell bring up that some people who seen screenings have said its pretty good to balance that out.

But i think if this film ended up well received that would suck for quite a few fans so lets hope that doesn't happen.