Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[X-Maniac]

Fox is better off at Comcast; the Fantastic Four as a single IP are better off at Disney; and the X-Men it could go either way.

Easy, I root for the one that will likely not lay off most of the studio and continue to allow execs to take more creative risks than Disney has for the last five or six years.

With that said, I fully expect Disney to outbid Comcast and get Fox back. I wonder if they do though, this means it starts the whole process over again of approval review by the government?

Why are you so concerned with which deal results in the most job losses?

Unless you work at the studio, that isn't relevant. This forum and this discussion is about X-Men, and we are debating what is best for their future.

All mergers result in job losses, that's for the parties involved to worry about, not us mere mortals.

 

[-JKR-]

Why are you so concerned with which deal results in the most job losses?

Unless you work at the studio, that isn't relevant. This forum and this discussion is about X-Men, and we are debating what is best for their future.

All mergers result in job losses, that's for the parties involved to worry about, not us mere mortals.

Because some people on here are actually human beings, and people losing their jobs is a bigger and more important issue than the X-Men being under the same roof as the Avengers?

It IS possible to read and love comic books without being a sad caricature of 'THE SIMPSONS' Comic Book Guy.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why are you so concerned with which deal results in the most job losses?

Unless you work at the studio, that isn't relevant. This forum and this discussion is about X-Men, and we are debating what is best for their future.

All mergers result in job losses, that's for the parties involved to worry about, not us mere mortals.

Its just giving another eXcuse/reason to be against the merger.

 

[X-Maniac]

You do know that Comcast buying 20th Century Fox would not mean that Universal Pictures would take over the 'X-MEN' franchise, right? But that the two studios would simply operate under the same corporate roof, with Fox still making their Marvel adaptations?

So the people on here hoping for a Comcast buyout are either a) fans of the current messy franchise where the X-Men are background characters in their own films; or b) connected with the studio and keen to protect Fox from change as much as possible.

a) means people have a flawed vision of the X-Men
b) means they have an agenda based on connection to Fox

I'm talking about what is best for X-Men. It's time for a fresh vision, the current franchise has had its day now. We know how it all ends - the X-Men are relegated to a silly tale in a comic book and wiped out in a giant brain fart by their own founder/teacher, that founder is skewered by a clone of Wolverine, and Wolverine is impaled on a tree stump.

 

[psylockolussus]

Fox continuing being Fox under Universal? Oh heck no. Basically, the same old story. Retcons, continuity that doesn't make sense, all over the place direction, Kinberg. No thanks!

 

[-JKR-]

Fox continuing being Fox under Universal? Oh heck no. Basically, the same old story. Retcons, continuity that doesn't make sense, all over the place direction, Kinberg. No thanks!

Yeah, why would we want genuinely great movies such as 'X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST', the two 'DEADPOOL' movies and 'LOGAN'?

Silly me for thinking we care about the actual movies in here. Sorry, brah.

 

[2kt09]

This forum and this discussion is about X-Men, and we are debating what is best for their future.

However this thread is about this movie. I could have sworn we warned before to can discussions like these.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, why would we want genuinely great movies such as 'X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST', the two 'DEADPOOL' movies and 'LOGAN'?

Yeah I'm sure about Dark PhoeniX, New Mutants and gambit will be good as those... The first two are delayed, the third one can't start production. Oh wait. This is supposed to be a ray of sunshine for X-Men fans? Marvel Stud10s can deliver movies as good as those, or better without restoring to wasting characters.

 

[-JKR-]

Yeah I'm sure about Dark PhoeniX, New Mutants and gambit will be good as those... The first two are delayed, the third one can't start production. Oh wait. This is supposed to be a ray of sunshine for X-Men fans? Marvel Stud10s can deliver movies as good as those, or better without restoring to wasting characters.

Plenty of movies have been delayed and turn out great. It took 'DEADPOOL' six years to get made.

Yeah, it's not like Marvel Studios has ever wasted characters.....

 

[psylockolussus]

Fox is a bigger offender to that. Unless the X-Men only consists of Wolverine, Deadpool, Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, then great. I can see why you are satisfied.

Also, keep convincing yourself that those movies will be great. Who delays a good movie that was shot for 18 months? Which film lost three directors and lost its release date trice and turned out well? Fox gave us reasons to think why those movies are future failures. While Dark PhoeniX has Kinberg in the driving seat.

 

[Weather Witch]

You do know that Comcast buying 20th Century Fox would not mean that Universal Pictures would take over the 'X-MEN' franchise, right? But that the two studios would simply operate under the same corporate roof, with Fox still making their Marvel adaptations?

This.

Why are you so concerned with which deal results in the most job losses?

Because, despite how important this franchise is to all of us, some people understand that there is much more at stake here. Disney is trying to sell the shiny homecoming of these characters, while the industry as a whole will suffer under a Fox Disney deal. Fox Comcast isn't perfect either, but definitely nowhere near as bad.

 

[Jh7058622]

Fox is a bigger offender to that. Unless the X-Men only consists of Wolverine, Deadpool, Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, then great. I can see why you are satisfied.

Also, keep convincing yourself that those movies will be great. Who delays a good movie that was shot for 18 months? Which film lost three directors and lost its release date trice and turned out well? Fox gave us reasons to think why those movies are future failures. While Dark PhoeniX has Kinberg in the driving seat.

Just pay attention and you'll know why they were postponed. They need their cast to do reshoots and they had scheduling conflicts.

 

[DACrowe]

Why are you so concerned with which deal results in the most job losses?

Unless you work at the studio, that isn't relevant. This forum and this discussion is about X-Men, and we are debating what is best for their future.

All mergers result in job losses, that's for the parties involved to worry about, not us mere mortals.

I care because of... basic human decency? Also, I want the film industry to thrive. This is bad for the film industry no matter what, but at least for the film industry Comcast seems the lesser of two evils. I think they're more open to Fox being its own separate film studio, and they clearly let film studios have some autonomy to experiment, even if I don't think Universal or Focus Features have done as well as 20th Century Fox and Fox Searchlight at it in the last 5-10 years.

Disney wants Fox's assets to power its streaming service to compete with Netflix and Amazon, and they want Fox's IPs. That to me looks worse for the film industry, as will Disney slowly inching closer to being a monopoly as they continue to gobble up market share by collecting IP while rarely creating any new ones outside of what WDAS and Pixar are doing.

P.S. As for X-Men, I do think whoever gets Fox, needs to let Kinberg go from directing and writing, and either soft-reboot or do something more serious. However, I also have long liked what he and Fox have been doing recently with films like Deadpool and Logan. I imagine that experimentation would continue at Comcast. I feel like Disney would probably let Deadpool continue to be his own R rated thing and put the rest of the X-Men into the MCU box, which by the way, I have had long reservations about. The only clean win I see of Disney getting Fox is the Fantastic Four would be well handled. I am far less sure about the X-Men.

 

[DACrowe]

So the people on here hoping for a Comcast buyout are either a) fans of the current messy franchise where the X-Men are background characters in their own films; or b) connected with the studio and keen to protect Fox from change as much as possible.

a) means people have a flawed vision of the X-Men
b) means they have an agenda based on connection to Fox

I'm talking about what is best for X-Men. It's time for a fresh vision, the current franchise has had its day now. We know how it all ends - the X-Men are relegated to a silly tale in a comic book and wiped out in a giant brain fart by their own founder/teacher, that founder is skewered by a clone of Wolverine, and Wolverine is impaled on a tree stump.

I see you kind of responded to my first point here. There is no agenda here. I just see the fate of the film industry being more important than whether Wolverine gets to chomp his cigar in the Hulk's face. Or even, yes, a "fresh vision" for the X-Men.

P.P.S. It's a bad selling point to speak of Logan so derisively. Not only is it the best X-Men movie, it is better than any film Marvel Studios has or very likely will ever produce.

 

[Micromind]

So the people on here hoping for a Comcast buyout are either a) fans of the current messy franchise where the X-Men are background characters in their own films; or b) connected with the studio and keen to protect Fox from change as much as possible.

Disney owning Fox, which has made quite a few movies that are really good in terms of quality (not just cbm's) which means people will lose a Studio that takes some bold steps.


Also, it's better to have competition among Studios instead of Disney being the dominant Studio in Hollywood cornering a major share of movie industry's yearly earnings.


Right now there are Six major studios in Hollywood, how is it a good thing for Consumers if Disney buys two of them and the count reduces to four Studios ?


Think of bigger picture than just looking at X-men movies.

 

[psyonic]

You can't point @Simon Kinberg as sole responsible for 'THE LAST STAND,' and rumors are just that... rumors.

I doubt this is going to be a 'LAST STAND' rehash.

But can you say you would be surprised if it turned out to be a rehash?

 

[Zarex]

P.P.S. It's a bad selling point to speak of Logan so derisively. Not only is it the best X-Men movie, it is better than any film Marvel Studios has or very likely will ever produce.

Logan's a solid flick, no doubt, but it ain't better than X-2 or any MCU flick released in the last 12 months. I get why its praised by certain folks - its bleak, it's openly derisive of the superhero genre, and much of what comic book fans tend to enjoy (costumes, power displays, heroism, yuks) are tossed to the wayside in favor of more sadness. But that's more about personal preference than objective quality.

Logan definitely hits its mark, and it's an enormous improvement over Wolverine #1 and #2. But I wouldn't call it an all timer.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Let us not forget Zak Penn was also responsible for The Last Stand... and so was the studio (they wanted Cyclops offed early on...) and Ratner... and the established, grounded world of the previous two films... so, there were numerous factors. I’m not trying to defend Kinberg, as he’s had a hand in some serious garbage in the past, but I’ve got to be objective. I’m concerned with direction of Dark Phoenix, but I’m also cautiously optimistic. I think it could go either way.

 

[Aurakles]

I definitely count Logan as an all timer. It's a brilliant film about the consequences of violence, aging, death and legacy.
The characters are so brilliantly realised, the acting superb, beautifully shot and genuinely heart wrenching.
For me it's up there with TDK.

I'd prefer Fox not be eaten by Disney or Comcast, but Comcast seems like the lesser evil. X-men films are insignificant in the face of the threat of a monopoly.

 

[-JKR-]

But can you say you would be surprised if it turned out to be a rehash?

Yes, I would be very surprised.

 

[Jh7058622]

Let us not forget Zak Penn was also responsible for The Last Stand... and so was the studio (they wanted Cyclops offed early on...) and Ratner... and the established, grounded world of the previous two films... so, there were numerous factors. I’m not trying to defend Kinberg, as he’s had a hand in some serious garbage in the past, but I’ve got to be objective. I’m concerned with direction of Dark Phoenix, but I’m also cautiously optimistic. I think it could go either way.

Exactly where I'm at.

 

[DACrowe]

Logan's a solid flick, no doubt, but it ain't better than X-2 or any MCU flick released in the last 12 months. I get why its praised by certain folks - its bleak, it's openly derisive of the superhero genre, and much of what comic book fans tend to enjoy (costumes, power displays, heroism, yuks) are tossed to the wayside in favor of more sadness. But that's more about personal preference than objective quality.

Logan definitely hits its mark, and it's an enormous improvement over Wolverine #1 and #2. But I wouldn't call it an all timer.

It is a superhero movie about something. Age, death, and the demythifying of heroism. It also had things to say about the direction the country is headed and updated the mutant metaphor in a brilliant way with how American leadership is treating undocumented immigrants arrested at the border. The only recent MCU movie about something--or maybe only one ever--is Black Panther. Logan is a more elegantly paced and told film, although I like Black Panther quite a bit. Also Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart give phenomenal performances a cut above most of the genre.

To put it another way, Logan was nominated for the Best Adapted Screenplay at the Oscars. Something no superhero movie has seen before (although, TDK and Spider-Man 2 were worthy in their years). And something certainly no Marvel Studios film will ever achieve.

It is the first superhero movie to be able to play in the same ball park as Christopher Nolan's trilogy.

P.S. First Class and DOFP are also better than X2.

 

[fobi]

P.S. First Class and DOFP are also better than X2.

DOFP is arguable but First Class?! No way! Lol

 

[Jh7058622]

Logan's a solid flick, no doubt, but it ain't better than X-2 or any MCU flick released in the last 12 months. I get why its praised by certain folks - its bleak, it's openly derisive of the superhero genre, and much of what comic book fans tend to enjoy (costumes, power displays, heroism, yuks) are tossed to the wayside in favor of more sadness. But that's more about personal preference than objective quality.

Logan definitely hits its mark, and it's an enormous improvement over Wolverine #1 and #2. But I wouldn't call it an all timer.

Yeah I'm sure Disney will get a Oscar nomination for writing. And Logan is so mediocre it was the first to do it right?

 

[Charzhin0]

Just look 10-15 years ago how much variety of comic films you had in style, tone and presentation from Sonys/Raimis Spiderman, to Nolans Batman, to Singers Xmen to MCUs phase 1. If this merger happens all you're left with is Disney monopolizing the CBM scene with their own formulaic (not saying this in a bad way) style of moviemaking. And with DCEU in shambles and far away from its competition. Thats why Id prefer comcast to take over.