Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[DACrowe]

Major or not, the reshoots would totally make the budget for this higher. So if Fox's intention was to make another not so eXpensive film with Kinberg, then well that backfired Xpecially if they are building sets from scratch again!

It's hard to take the vitriol seriously when you write especially as "Xpecially."

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men Apocalypse deals with 12+ characters. Infinity War is dealing with 30+ characters, and yet it managed to deal with their characters and handle an ensemble much better the the X-Men movies.

And Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian are not in the same level as the A-List characters like Storm, Psylocke and Warren. It's extremely embarrasing that we're comparing these characters. And the fact that we got to the point of comparing Proxima Midnight with Storm, it only shows how much superior treatment of the characters in the MCU is when compared to FOX's.

Like I've said many times, few would complain if the horsemen were Ahab, Gazer and Abyss. But of course they went with the more popular characters only to waste them as silent villains which they are totally not in the comics.

 

[Jh7058622]

It's hard to take the vitriol seriously when you write especially as "Xpecially."

Don't worry there's more absurd and rude X-Men puns on the way so stay tuned!

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, Storm and Pyslocke could have been tied into the story in other ways, to be honest.

And we never found out much about Psylocke, did we?

They were there as decorations. They have added them because they are popular from the comics, but I doubt there were real intention to develop them.

 

[psyonic]

Like I've said many times, few would complain if the horsemen were Ahab, Gazer and Abyss. But of course they went with the more popular characters only to waste them as silent villains which they are totally not in the comics.

The classic Horsemen would have been really cool..

 

[psylockolussus]

It would have been eXcellent. Maybe in a MCU film someday, we would get to see them in their full glory? That would have been eXciting! Imagine Archangel done right!

 

[Davidstorm]

 

[Jh7058622]

The classic Horsemen would have been really cool..

I believe so too I am not sure why they decided to go that way. Even Warren getting rebooted could have been a lot better had they just made them kinda show up with Apocalypse. I always liked how they showed in TAS the horseman in line for the cure then seeing them owning their powers with Apocalypse being such a stark contrast.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Singer is done.

Good news for Bryan :

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ts-directing-credit-bohemian-rhapsody-1119361

 

[X-Maniac]

Perhaps if Singer focused a script with a singular vision. And maybe a little better visual aesthetics, particularly action sequences (which were horrid in Apocalypse). So much more thought was put into Days of Future Past (like the rules he thought up for time travel, and his multiverse stance), I don't understand why he chose not to do the same with X-men Apocalypse.

Well that's simple enough to answer: Singer lost interest in the movie, it wasn't the version of X-Men Apocalypse he wanted to make.

Rumours suggest some of what might happened. There was talk of having Apocalypse entombed beneath the Chinese temple/monastery where the time travel took place in DoFP. It probably involved the original cast battling him when he was awakened by the disturbances to the time-stream.

Then there was talk of having Apocalypse as an alien force that possessed Magneto, which was the original post-credits scene for DoFP.

Then there were suggestions that Wolverine was to be either one of Apoc's horsemen or the leader of the new young X-Men that battled him.

Plans changed. Wolverine was reduced to a cameo, to move away from reliance on the character and to cut costs (Jackman is expensive!). A battle on the Nile was cut (and God knows what else). J-Law's role was elevated to team leader. It wasn't Singer's vision any more and it doesn't really feel like a Singer movie (aside from Storm getting marginalised!).

You're always telling us that directors have all this power, and the final say... but what happened here says otherwise. Plus, of course, he more than likely had some 'personal issues' going on at the same time as a distraction...

 

[X-Maniac]

Like I've said many times, few would complain if the horsemen were Ahab, Gazer and Abyss. But of course they went with the more popular characters only to waste them as silent villains which they are totally not in the comics.

The idea of having powerful elemental mutants like Magneto and Storm wreaking havoc sounds good at first.

But they would really have to be possessed/mind-controlled to come back from that sort of crime against the planet. Of course, they weren't possessed and Magneto ended up being pardoned and given his own island!

It all highlights problems with the screenplay.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well that's simple enough to answer: Singer lost interest in the movie, it wasn't the version of X-Men Apocalypse he wanted to make.

Course it was the version he wanted to make. at what point did he lose control over the production if all that time when planning the movie with Simon Kinberg, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris it wasn't the "version of x-men: apocalypse" he wanted to make?

Here have a long read of this interview and then you tell me this wasn't the film he wanted to make.

http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men-apocalypse-interview/

Although there is abit of detail where he talks about tone and says that certain things they could get away with in the guardian of the Galaxy movies they wouldn't be able to get away with in X-Men.

Rumours suggest some of what might happened. There was talk of having Apocalypse entombed beneath the Chinese temple/monastery where the time travel took place in DoFP.

That as you say was a rumor, and not even a very loud rumor. infact there is a chance that was never even a rumor at all.

Then there were suggestions that Wolverine was to be either one of Apoc's horsemen or the leader of the new young X-Men that battled him.

I think you are getting rumors mixed up with fan speculating

Plans changed. Wolverine was reduced to a cameo, to move away from reliance on the character and to cut costs (Jackman is expensive!). A battle on the Nile was cut (and God knows what else). J-Law's role was elevated to team leader. It wasn't Singer's vision any more and it doesn't really feel like a Singer movie (aside from Storm getting marginalised!).

No Wolverines role wasn't changed to cut costs. are you making your own information up now?

 

[psylockolussus]

But they would really have to be possessed/mind-controlled to come back from that sort of crime against the planet. Of course, they weren't possessed and Magneto ended up being pardoned and given his own island!

It all highlights problems with the screenplay.

Apocalypse seemed like the perfect opportunity for Magneto to take a break. But Of course that didn't happen and he's back again for the sequel.

 

[henzINNIT]

Good news for Bryan :

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ts-directing-credit-bohemian-rhapsody-1119361

Bad news for Fox. They're gonna be working hard to hide his name.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well Bryan was fired for different reasons so FOX were already ok with him directing when he got the job in the first place.

 

[JP]

They made sure not to have ANYONE'S name on the trailer. The last thing they want is to use his name.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Bryan is a great director,but Kinberg has stayed with X-men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well presumably Bryan won't be doing interviews and press for the movie and thats probably for the best really.

 

[X-Maniac]

Course it was the version he wanted to make. at what point did he lose control over the production if all that time when planning the movie with Simon Kinberg, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris it wasn't the "version of x-men: apocalypse" he wanted to make?

Here have a long read of this interview and then you tell me this wasn't the film he wanted to make.

http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men-apocalypse-interview/

It's a great interview and you can feel Singer's passion and his total immersion in the material. Either that or he's on some great meds, lol...

But what a shame that passion and excitement doesn't really seem that evident in the finished movie.

Ideas of the first ever mutant and what it means, of religion, are all so toned down they are virtually non-existent or insignificant.

But, really, telling the story through Apocalypse was a bad idea.

Whereas DoFP looks at destiny, can we change history, our own past, is this who we are meant to be... X:A has no such relatable themes.

 

[Flint Marko]

Good news for Bryan :

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ts-directing-credit-bohemian-rhapsody-1119361

I have no idea how this guy is still working in Hollywood. His on-set behavior has been pretty spotty for years now and that doesn't even take into consideration the numerous despicable allegations that have been surrounding him for the better part of two decades.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Because nothing has ever been proven.Without any sentence Bryan has no job.

I hate the false rumors that destroy people.
However, I don’t trust Kinberg,
In a few years he has managed to be a director,producer , scriptwriter...

Spoiler

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

The first #DarkPhoenix trailer screened at Fox’s CineEurope presentation: “Better than expected..loses the excess darkness of the teaser [possible mistake/ref to New Mutants?] and clearly sets this up as a direct continuation of the X-Men" (via @kinometro http://www.kinometro.ru/sp/show/name/cineeurope2018_Fox_5533 …)

No #DarkPhoenix footage was screened at CinemaCon, this is the first time footage from the film has been shown anywhere including previous Fox presentations to Russian cinema owners. Hence the ‘possible mistake’ note.

Source: TrailerTrack

 

[JP]

I have no idea how this guy is still working in Hollywood.

He's not

 

[GuestStar2004]

Because nothing has ever been proven.Without any sentence Bryan has no job.

Problem with the accusation is that this isn't the first time it happened.

 

[BMM]

Source: TrailerTrack

Interesting. Hopefully, it’s better than the Apocalypse teaser. Hopefully, everything is better than Apocalypse.