Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[DACrowe]

They don't get excuses on that. Elektra and Catwoman were cheap C-movies made by hacks with horrible and patronizing scripts. Wonder Woman came out at a great time after the demoralizing 2016 election and on the eve of the #MeToo movement, but that movie could have been made 10 or 15 years before 2017. All of Hollywood is culpable of creating this myth. Before Fury Road or Hunger Games and Daisy Ridley, there was also Terminator 2 and the Aliens franchise.

The studios only have themselves to blame, and that includes Disney and Marvel too which is waiting until 11 years and 20 movies in to give a woman the lead role too. In a way, Fox took longer and almost as many films until Dark Phoenix and New Mutants, which are the first two X-films to put women in the leads.

 

[Mad Ones]

So a trailer was shown and CineEurope??

 

[X-Maniac]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/alexandra-shipp-an-x-men-s-storm-spinoff-1119034

Well, at least she has progressed from dismissing her character as just "a cartoon."

I sense a lot of PR spin that interview and some indirect promotion of Dark Phoenix by mentioning X-Men.

If she could mention Storm having a great role in Dark Phoenix with nice moments of dialogue, I might be more sold.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

BREAKING: Comcast makes $65 billion all-cash bid for Fox
https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/comcast-bid-fox-disney-media-1202844736/


Come on!!!

 

[X-Maniac]

I bet if Fox accept Comcasts offer people will blame Kinberg for having too much influence on the board because of course it must always be Kinbergs fault!!

I don't think so. But it would bring uncertainty for X-Men and Fantastic Four.

ComCast owns Universal which doesn't have a solid track record with superhero adaptations - the Hulk was not well received and was rebooted afterwards by the MCU no less, and Universal failed dismally with its own Dark Universe attempt at a shared fantastical universe.

I don't really think a ComCast deal would be good for the X-Men and F4, to be honest.

 

[Weather Witch]

Come on!!!

Everything in there is way better than what Disney is offering. Disney's gotta really step up their game now, or Fox would be crazy not to accept this deal. At this point I wouldn't even care if Comcast would sell the X-Men properties back to Disney anyway. Comcast Fox would still be the better outcome.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If Comcast got FOX i doubt much would change with the current X-VERSE. yes it would be under different management but then they still have a dozen various different movies that can keep them going for the next decade.

Its just a case of whether Comcast get FOX or whether Disney make another bid and then just for how long a possible bid war will go on for.

 

[Weather Witch]

If Comcast got FOX i doubt much would change with the current X-VERSE. yes it would be under different management but then they still have the Deadpool movies, X-Men, Gambit and alot of other projects on the table that can keep them going.

Oh sure, that would definitly be a plus. I have been pretty vocal about not wanting the X-Men anywhere near the MCU. Even if they were to end up with Disney and got rebooted I'd prefer them to seperate from the MCU. But if losing the X-Men to Disney is what it takes to stop the Disney Fox merger, I'd take it.

 

[X-Maniac]

Oh sure, that would definitly be a plus. I have been pretty vocal about not wanting the X-Men anywhere near the MCU. Even if they were to end up with Disney and got rebooted I'd prefer them to seperate from the MCU. But if losing the X-Men to Disney is what it takes to stop the Disney Fox merger, I'd take it.

What's the big fear about X-Men being in the MCU?

They needn't be merged into it substantially, though I imagine crossovers of some kind would come at some point, but I think we'd get a fresh take on many characters that have not had the best treatment with the Fox films.

I see no problem with Storm being introduced in the Black Panther films, for instance.

It would also be an end to multiple versions of the same character, stuffing in mutant cameos and pointlessly killing off classic characters for laughs or just because...

 

[Weather Witch]

What's the big fear about X-Men being in the MCU? They needn't be merged into it substantially, though I imagine crossovers of some kind would come at some point, but I think we'd get a fresh take on many characters that have not had the best treatment with the Fox films.

We can get that fresh take outside of the MCU as well and crossovers are quickly losing their appeal to me.

 

[The Guard]

BREAKING: Comcast makes $65 billion all-cash bid for Fox
https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/comcast-bid-fox-disney-media-1202844736/


Come on!!!

Isn't that 5 billion more than they were rumored to be offering?

 

[fobi]

Isn't that 5 billion more than they were rumored to be offering?

Yeah, and I read that they'll pay of the penalty fee to Disney if they backed out of the deal

 

[magneto23]

What's the big fear about X-Men being in the MCU?

The entire concept of mutants being introduced is tricky. Disney isn't going to put out these X-Men properties as frequently as fox. So I'd imagine some characters aren't going to see the light of day for quite some time. There are definitely concerns.

 

[Fallen]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/alexandra-shipp-an-x-men-s-storm-spinoff-1119034

Alex, don't waste your time. They don't care about Storm.

 

[Davidstorm]

It will start a fight of offers
probably, shareholders will prefer the proposal of comcast.
I'm twisting for comcast

 

[GuestStar2004]

Seems like Comcast are fully ready for a bid war if Disney decides to bid back.

I can only imagine Disney will favour Comcast here since

1. It's a bigger offer

And

2. If Disney and Comcast get into a bid war there is only one winner and that's the middle man.

Comcast have opened the door for more money which makes the $52 billion look small in comparison. All they need to do is see if Disneys make a higher bid.

Why settle for Disneys $52 billion at this point.

 

[Davidstorm]

It's going to be interesting this fight.
but for sure disney is at a disadvantage.
Comcast is certainly prepared to further increase its offer if Disney makes a counter offer.
I'm sure that in the next days Disney will make a last offer of something around 70b, and this to comcast and easy to overtake.

 

[psylockolussus]

I bet if Fox accept Comcasts offer people will blame Kinberg for having too much influence on the board because of course it must always be Kinbergs fault!!

Well you don't speak for me. I won't blame Kinberg if Comcast gets to buy Fox as 21st Century Fox isn't just a film/TV studio. I'd just hate the possibility of Universal letting Kinberg stay in the X-Men franchise and continue the continuity mess and wrong direction of the franchise.

 

[X-Maniac]

The entire concept of mutants being introduced is tricky. Disney isn't going to put out these X-Men properties as frequently as fox. So I'd imagine some characters aren't going to see the light of day for quite some time. There are definitely concerns.

It depends if Disney chooses to go the way of integrating the X-Men into the MCU to be alongside Iron Man, Thor etc.

I can see them integrating the F4 into that world, maybe.

But the X-Men could have their own universe, just one created by Marvel Studios.

 

[psylockolussus]

Definitely, the X-Men's world is huge that it can be Xpanded in different films/spin offs. anyway, if Comcast gets Fox. At least the Fantastic Four would still revert to Marvel as Universal/Fox would go to into a transition phase and I doubt they could start filming another ff film before the rights Xpire. But totally bad news, for the X-Men. Xpect the mouse to bury them again and I doubt Universal can really handle the X-Men.

 

[Drexelhand]

Universal Studios has had no experience in making comic book movies. Their Dark Universe was doomed because they hired Kurtzman, who is for some reason very popular among movie studios like Kinberg or Goyer. Don't cite the 2003 Hulk movie, though, that's a bad example, especially since the Universal Studios of 2003 isn't the same as the one that exists now - management changes and all. The biggest issue with that movie was the convoluted screenplay, which started development in 1994 and never underwent a page one rewrite. You may say, oh that's Universal's fault, but Universal never bought the rights - Gale Anne Hurd set them up at Universal.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[2kt09]

Universal Studios has had no experience in making comic book movies. Their Dark Universe was doomed because they hired Kurtzman, who is for some reason very popular among movie studios like Kinberg or Goyer. Don't cite the 2003 Hulk movie, though, that's a bad example, especially since the Universal Studios of 2003 isn't the same as the one that exists now - management changes and all. The biggest issue with that movie was the convoluted screenplay, which started development in 1994 and never underwent a page one rewrite. You may say, oh that's Universal's fault, but Universal never bought the rights - Gale Anne Hurd set them up at Universal.

Gonna go on this tangent for a sec.
Their Dark Universe failed because unlike their more cherished franchises, the resources and genuine interest isn't there for those monsters. Dracula was reinvented as one of their many fantasy epics and the Mummy was a backdrop to a Tom Cruise movie.

I disagree on modern Universal not having experience with making comic book movies and that has a lot to do with Justin Lin + especially Chris Morgan.
If X-Men is supposedly lacking that ensemble feel with high-octane action & a much more streamlined ever-expanding lore,
those would be the guys to crank it.

 

[psylockolussus]

Universal Studios has had no experience in making comic book movies. Their Dark Universe was doomed because they hired Kurtzman, who is for some reason very popular among movie studios like Kinberg or Goyer. Don't cite the 2003 Hulk movie, though, that's a bad example, especially since the Universal Studios of 2003 isn't the same as the one that exists now - management changes and all. The biggest issue with that movie was the convoluted screenplay, which started development in 1994 and never underwent a page one rewrite. You may say, oh that's Universal's fault, but Universal never bought the rights - Gale Anne Hurd set them up at Universal.

Universal released Hulk, Howard the Duck and The Incredible Hulk. They also got the rights for Luke Cage before. They still got the distribution rights for Hulk and Namor films.

And if they had Zero Xprience in making comic book films, why would you want the X-Men to go there?

Also you've forgotten Wanted, the Hellboy films, Cowboys & Aliens, Oblivion, R.I.PD., Two Guns, Scott Pilgrim and the Kick Ass films.

 

[Jh7058622]

It depends if Disney chooses to go the way of integrating the X-Men into the MCU to be alongside Iron Man, Thor etc.

I can see them integrating the F4 into that world, maybe.

But the X-Men could have their own universe, just one created by Marvel Studios.

Doubtful. Especially given how much micro management Fiege likes to do that's perhaps why we get so few MCU films already.