Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[2kt09]

Sounds like a bad idea to me. But I do suspect that's the truth.

Seems fine to me because I thought the Hellfire Club inclusion was utterly random from what I read and seen.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Yes, it would be a waste when you can have her as an X-men member. That's like making a Gamora or Drax solo before Guardians. Some characters don't need it.

Damn Storm = Gamora/Drax? That disrespect!



But honestly they might be more popular now a days

 

[Frankeh]

Damn Storm = Gamora/Drax? That disrespect!

Herecy.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Sounds like a bad idea to me. But I do suspect that's the truth.

I wish Kinberg all the luck in the world. He's gonna need it.

 

[xrs13]

Wait I’m confused... have I missed something ?

 

[2kt09]

Wait I’m confused... have I missed something ?

no new news.

 

[Cktopl33]

You mean the M:I director? No way, zero chance Dark Phoenix will be as good as them. Zero!

lol, I'm sure people said the same for McQarrie as a director too. As I said before, McQuarrie directed (and wrote) two movies that weren't so great (lowest being 48% rating) and two that were well received (highest being 97% so far). He's also worked on more movies as a writer that have bad critical reviews than good, based on his filmography. Despite that, he won an academy award for best original screenplay (even though it was earlier in his career). So, it just goes to show you don't know how a film will turn out until you see the final product.

 

[Marvel united]

no new news.

Aside from the shadow of the Mouse looming over this thread/sub-forum

 

[Tymminator]

Any Marvel Legends collectors here? They announced an Xavier in his hover chair figure at SDCC yesterday. You can't get any more 90s X-men (X-men Dark Phoenix setting!) than that!

Those look awesome.

 

[2kt09]

Aside from the shadow of the Mouse looming over this thread/sub-forum

You guys gonna wait til' then at the very least?...yeesh.

 

[EnDz0n3]

lol, I'm sure people said the same for McQarrie as a director too.

You mean the same Christopher McQuarrie that already had "The Usual Suspects" in his screenwriting credits by this time? The same Christopher McQuarrie that won an Oscar for said work? If you're comparing people's apprehension for McQuarrie directing his first film (a low budget at that, that barely anyone cared about) vs. Kinberg's turn (on a big budget adaptation), then that comparison hardly lines up.

As I said before, McQuarrie directed two movies that weren't so great (lowest being 48% rating) and two that were well received (highest being 97% so far). He's also worked on more movies as a writer that have bad critical reviews than good, based on his filmography. Despite that, he won an academy award for best original screenplay (even though it was earlier in his career).

McQuarrie has MORE THAN TWO Fresh movies on rottentomatoes as writer and/or director. Your guy has exactly TWO...

I know you're not gonna take my advice but if it were up to me, I would lower my expectations on what Simon Kinberg can achieve for his directorial debut. I certainly wouldn't expect Mission Impossible - Fallout or Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation-type numbers: 97% and 93% respectively.

Funnily enough McQuarrie's directorial debut is the one you're quoting as his lowest film at 48%. Let's hope Kinberg does better than that for his debut, otherwise I hope to see you back here making fun of Kinberg come February too.

So, it just goes to show you don't know how a film will turn out until you see the final product.

What it goes to show you is that it's harder to make a good movie and it's easier to mess it up.

Those look awesome.

I know right?

 

[Abudefduf]

So Marvel won't tie Rogue's origin to Captain Marvel because the only possible creative path is her being in a coma for 20 years and ending a franchise. There isn't any other creative alternative, like her being seriously injured, or something like that. Right. Got it now.

A 20-year coma, what? I never said that. It doesn't matter how long it is, a mindrape-induced coma that results in the loss of your memories and powers is still bad. And these are the consequences of an angry Rogue using her powers on you, not just serious injuries.

But seriously, this completely OT discussion has gone on for far too long, so let's just end it here.

 

[Cktopl33]

Aside from the shadow of the Mouse looming over this thread/sub-forum

Once Disney closes the merger and gain control over the X properties, I don't see them moving ahead with these characters anytime soon. Marvel's next phase will focus on the cosmic characters that they are already in possession of, which will essentially be at least six years worth of movies they had already planned out (which Feige hinted at in an interview this month). The Avengers team will have changed by then, with some actors leaving the franchise. And the X-men universe is already so large. Too many people are expecting to see the x-men in MCU right as the deal closes. Kevin Feige has hinted at no such thing, but rather repeated Marvel's focus on the immediate future for plans going all the way out to 2024 and that plans for MCU X-men would be "further out" from what's already in the works.

One of the bad things about the Disney acquisition is that Disney will have such a large influence over the box office that they can only release so many films before they start competing against each other, eating into each other's box office gross. We're talking franchises that Disney will acquire outside the Marvel universe along with Disney's other properties, such as the animation landscape.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Once Disney closes the merger and gain control over the X properties, I don't see them moving ahead with these characters anytime soon..

That's the thing you guys don't understand about us. WE DO NOT CARE how long it takes for MCU X-MEN to release! The simple fact that FOX will not be making X-MEN movies anymore is what makes us happy.


I could wait ten years if I had too

 

[Cktopl33]

You mean the same Christopher McQuarrie that already had "The Usual Suspects" in his screenwriting credits by this time? The same Christopher McQuarrie that won an Oscar for said work? If you're comparing people's apprehension for McQuarrie directing his first film (a low budget at that, that barely anyone cared about) vs. Kinberg's turn (on a big budget adaptation), then that comparison hardly lines up.

Yes.....EnDz0n3, I mean the same Christopher McQuarrie that had won the academy award for best original screenplay....and then right after, directed a film he alone wrote with the worst critical review of the films he's directed. And later went on to write for movies that have received bad critical reviews. That McQuarrie.

Now...it appear YOU are the one who is making the faulty comparison. McQuarrie had no producing credit and no experience working on big budget movies before he directed his first film. In fact, he's only produced three films. Simon Kinberg has just over a decade of producing big budget films and co-writing for them. He's well aware of the process for big budget franchise films. The fact that McQuarrie won an Oscar earlier for writing didn't prevent him from making a bad movie, which shows the importance of knowing the process of film-making.

McQuarrie has MORE THAN TWO Fresh movies on rottentomatoes as writer and/or director. Your guy has exactly TWO...

What did I say EnDzOn3? "He's also worked on more movies as a writer that have bad critical reviews than good (I don't consider anything under 80% positive), based on his filmography." How does what you say change anything about my statement? If anything, my statement shows they both worked on more films with bad critical reviews than good.

I know you're not gonna take my advice but if it were up to me, I would lower my expectations on what Simon Kinberg can achieve for his directorial debut.

That's the difference between us. I don't have any expectations for his directorial debut. I have stated plenty of times that I will wait to see what his directing and creative vision will be before I form an opinion.

Funnily enough McQuarrie's directorial debut is the one you're quoting as his lowest film at 48%. Let's hope Kinberg does better than that for his debut, otherwise I hope to see you back here making fun of Kinberg come February too.

McQuarrie's directorial debut was based on less experience than Kinberg's. I don't know how Kinberg's debut will be. If he does poorly, I won't be back here 'making fun' (don't have time for that nonsense), I'll be here giving criticism based on the final product. If he is a success, I expect to see you here come February validating his debut and not making excuses for it.

What it goes to show you is that it's harder to make a good movie and it's easier to mess it up.

It also show the importance of experience in working on these types of movies that make it easier to make a good film.

 

[xrs13]

It’s a shame that all of this is nothing to do with the actual film that is supposed to be discussed in this board. I wish a mod would sort this because it is actually killing the x-boards completely

 

[Cktopl33]

I could wait ten years if I had too

Meh. That's so long. I'd likely have lost interest. And the comic book film makeup may shift by then.

 

[Jh7058622]

Seems fine to me because I thought the Hellfire Club inclusion was utterly random from what I read and seen.

Agreed.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yes.....EnDz0n3, I mean the same Christopher McQuarrie that had won the academy award for best original screenplay....and then right after, directed a film he wrote alone with the worst critical review of the films he's directed. And later went on to write for movies with bad critical reviews. That McQuarrie.

Did this not start because you said "I'm sure people said the same for McQarrie [sic] as a director too."

"McQarrie" just won an Oscar before his directorial debut for a film with a budget of $8.5Mil. I'm sure its 5 fans that was looking forward to the film were not worried about McQuarrie.
Kinberg just wrote one of the worst reviewed movies in this franchise and is about to direct an X-men movie with millions of fans.

There. Is. No. Contest.

Now...it appear YOU are the one who is making the faulty comparison. McQuarrie had no producing credit and no experience working on big budget movies before he directed his first film. In fact, he's only produced three films. Simon Kinberg has just over a decade of producing big budget films and co-writing for them. He's well aware of the process for big budget franchise films.

Where did I make the "faulty comparison" that McQuarrie produced anything before his directorial debut? Heck, where did I even mention anything about producing?

Besides, I thought directorial credits are the ONLY ones that matter CktopLEE? That's what you've been copying and pasting articles online about and attempting to school people on these boards on how Hollywood works and how we can't put the blame on Kinberg since he's never directed anything. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Tbh, I skip most of those posts.)

Now Kinberg's producing credits give him an edge over McQuarrie...

I think it's safe to say between Kinberg and McQuarrie, most "cinecomics" fans will side with the latter...

What did I say EnDzOn3? "He's also worked on more movies as a writer that have bad critical reviews than good, based on his filmography." How does what you say change anything about my statement? If anything, my statement shows they both worked on more films with bad critical reviews than good.

Lies.
Here's McQuarrie's writer filmography:

mi: fallout fresh
the mummy rotten
jack reacher 2 rotten
mi: rogue nation fresh
edge of tomorrow fresh
the wolverine fresh
jack giant slayer rotten
jack reacher fresh
the tourist rotten
valkyrie fresh
the way of the gun rotten
the usual suspects fresh
public access rotten

7 "Fresh" films.
6 "Rotten" films.

Here's McQuarrie's directing credits:

mi: fallout fresh
mi: rogue nation fresh
jack reacher fresh
the way of the gun rotten

3 "Fresh" films.
1 "Rotten" film (that's 1 rotten. Not 2 like you said. Another lie).

Here's Kinberg's writing credits. It's been posted here many times, by Lip, myself, Frankeh, etc:

X-men Apocalypse rotten
Fantastic Four rotten
X-men Days of Future Past Fresh
This Means War Rotten
Sherlock Holmes Fresh
Jumper Rotten
X-men The Last Stand Rotten
Mr. & Mrs. Smith Rotten
XXX: State of the Union Rotten

2 "Fresh" films.
7 "Rotten" films.

Your dude has more "Rotten" films than McQuarrie who's written more movies. Why Kinberg is even talked about in the same discussion as Christopher McQuarrie is beyond me.

There. Is. No. COMPARISON.

That's the difference between us. I don't have any expectations for his directorial debut. I have stated plenty of times that I will wait to see what his directing and creative vision will be before I form an opinion.

McQuarrie's directorial debut was based on less experience than Kinberg's. I don't know how Kinberg's debut will be. If he does poorly, I won't be back here 'making fun' (don't have time for that nonsense), I'll be here giving criticism based on the final product. If he is a success, I expect to see you here come February validating his debut and not making excuses for it.

It also show the importance of experience in working on these types of movies that make it easier to make a good film.

Cool beans.

 

[x-er]

I would like to know why they went from something innovative like a time-travel superhero film (Days of Future Past) back to something they'd already tried telling (Dark Phoenix) instead of exploring other storylines that are already written in the comics. Everything's in the comics!

That and the lack of marketing.

 

[BMM]

Because they already tried exploring a new storyline in Apocalypse, and it floundered.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Because Kinberg thinks he was wronged by Ratner, the studio and the circumstances surrounding the first time he was part of this same storyline. Kinberg thinks (knows?) that he can do better.

As simple as that.

 

[Cktopl33]

Did this not start because you said "I'm sure people said the same for McQarrie [sic] as a director too."

"McQarrie" just won an Oscar before his directorial debut for a film with a budget of $8.5Mil. I'm sure its 5 fans that was looking forward to the film were not worried about McQuarrie.
Kinberg just wrote one of the worst reviewed movies in this franchise and is about to direct an X-men movie with millions of fans.

There. Is. No. Contest.

I don't think people were expecting the Mission Impossible films to do as well as they did based on the two prior films he directed. McQuarrie wrote on the worst reviewed film of his career recently last year just after he directed the positively received Rogue Nation and right before Fallout. There's no need for contest since they have both worked on good and bad films.

Where did I make the "faulty comparison" that McQuarrie produced anything before his directorial debut? Heck, where did I even mention anything about producing?

Besides, I thought directorial credits are the ONLY ones that matter CktopLEE?

Your comparison in terms of a film's budget connect with the job of a producer, EnDz0n3. Having that experience is an asset to directing big budget films. That and the fact that Kinberg has worked on more movies than McQuarrie did at the time of his directorial debut, which add more to film-making experience. Director's credit matter to the outcome of the movie. If the director is knowledgeable about big budget films/franchises regarding the film-making process from a producing standpoint, then that director will be better equipped to handle said scale and requirements of the film. That is the POINT of informing people on how Hollywood work, which you clearly still have yet to grasp.

Lies.
Here's McQuarrie's writer filmography:

Didn't make any statement about what films were rotten or not. I don't consider anything under 80% as a positive. Kinberg's writing filmography is mostly co-writing, just like a lot of the films McQuarrie worked on were co-written. Of all the films McQuarrie co-wrote, only one has a high score. It's also interesting to point out that all of McQuarrie's films he directed....he alone wrote, including the two positively rated Mission Impossible films....and then the other two films (I don't consider 62% good even if its regarded as "fresh"). I guess you should have little to complain about if Kinberg's directorial debut fall in the sixties. I won't consider that as a positive rating.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Between one poster on here bringing up the possibility of:

Sophie Turner getting a Best Actress Oscar Nomination and maybe Win for Dark Phoenix; another saying
Dark Phoenix might get a Best Picture Oscar Nomination and maybe Win for next year's festivities; a third one saying
Dark Phoenix can do Black Panther-type numbers at the Box Office just based on the release date change; and now comparing
Simon Kinberg to Christopher McQuarrie and of the likelihood that Kinberg's directorial debut will be in the 90's

I really do think people need to curb (and there's no other way to call it) their crazy talk.

Especially since this same group are policing people that are positive about a Feige-takeover.

 

[Jh7058622]

No different than the scores of people saying Black Panther will win best picture. At the end of the day these are silly comic book films. I can pretty much guarantee BP and XDP will not be getting any creative Oscars.