Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Cktopl33]

lets be honest, that final battle doesnt really sound epic, new or fresh.
it sounds dated. same small approach as the whole franchise since day 1. x-men vs Magneto, this time even less acolytes than X3. so more boring.

is anyone really excited with another sequel repeating the same beats? without a bigger team and new exciting x-men?

seriously, Avengers Endgame (4th avengers movie) has an epic roster.
X-Men Dark Phoenix (4th period xfilm and the most popular story ever) has..... 5 x-men?

WOW. and Fox execs still wonder why the x-men dont reach the boxoffice level of other cbms.

Why do you think a bigger team equate better or exciting? After Endgame, what else can Marvel do to differentiate itself? Must it always be stuck on 'epic' for every single film? How is the next Avengers film or ensemble movie suppose to be 'more epic'? Pack it full of more characters? Even bigger battles? One of the problems with Infinity War were too many characters stuffed into it, contributing to a critical score much lower than 10 or so of Marvel's previous films. Infinity War still didn't match up to films like Civil War, Winter Soldier, Black Panther or even The Avengers which came out in 2012. Will Endgame repeat the same mistake? Only 6 characters in Infinity War had 10 minutes or more screen-time. The rest of that mega cast ranged from under 10 min to just 15 sec:

Nonetheless, with dozens of characters popping in and out of the action, and the storyline absurdly extended to create enough little slots for each character to get a one-line aria (written in the universal language of snippy screenwriter-ese), the actors hardly seem like they’re there at all—they’re only given celebrity cameos. None of the dramatic threads has any psychological impact, with one exception—the ongoing struggle of Bruce Banner (Mark Ruffalo) to bring out his inner Hulk.

As with many other superhero movies that try to stuff too many characters and subplots into one container, "Avengers: Infinity War" feels less like a coherent story and more like an attempt to wring as much money as possible out of its various superhero characters through virtue of sheer name recognition. The problem is when that concept runs smack into the practical realities of filmmaking. You can't contain as many characters as "Avengers: Infinity War" tries to juggle and also manage storylines for all of them that are told in a satisfying way. There are major developments that occur for each these characters — which in a normally scaled movie would be given time and weight — that get rushed through, simply because the filmmakers have so much else they need to do to wrap up the whole spectacle inside two and a half hours. As a result, instead of feeling each of these character payoffs, one is merely left feeling shortchanged. They all shared the problem of being focused less on telling a good story than on building a shared universe that would make other future stories possible. These were movies that existed in large part to advertise other movies, a stark contrast to the era when advertisements for movies at least had the decency to stop once the opening credits started rolling.

Anthony and Joe Russo, the brothers who brought us the last two "Captain America" movies, pile on the action. There's a reason why this movie is called "Infinity War" – it often seems as if we are watching one interminable battle scene. Some of the sequences are undeniably thrilling but, at about 2-1/2 hours, overkill sets in early. But what is mostly missing is an emotional power to match the graphic thrills. One of the reasons "Black Panther" worked as well as it did is because its story functioned on both a visceral and an emotional level.

The ground rules governing the film’s superheroics are undefined and limitlessly malleable: infinite powers mean infinite dramatic possibilities, and none of the limitations by which real lives and choices are constructed and compelled. That’s why, for all the colossal C.G.I. kinetics and pyrotechnics of the movie’s massive battles and thudding fights, the stakes seem so low. Even the surprising deaths of beloved characters, for all their momentary power to disturb, feel cheap, because the powers of superheroism—amped up by the reversibility of time thanks to the time stone—make no result seem conclusive, no death seem final.

 

[Nadia]

SPOILERS
Description of the NYC fight clip from wondercon

Dark Phoenix Footage Description: X-Men vs Mutant Brotherhood Scene

I'm really liking the Jean/Dark Phoenix dialogue. there is an arrogance and coldness to it.

 

[kineticist]

I agree! I'm curious about Sophie's delivery of Phoenix lines vs her as Jean (how she changes her tone, timbre, etc..)

 

[Nadia]

I agree! I'm curious about Sophie's delivery of Phoenix lines vs her as Jean (how she changes her tone, timbre, etc..)

I wonder if they'll put effects in her "dark Phoenix voice" to make it deeper or have a resonance/echo to it.

 

[carpenter82]

One thought I had about the New York fight is this is how Civil War should've been. The fight has freinds combating each other and it's not highlighted with quips and jokes.

 

[Manasrepublic]

Wow some amazing news finally given this clip and the response. The scene sounds really inventive cool and fresh. Really looking forward to it!!

Maybe Kinberg will prove people wrong

 

[Manasrepublic]

I’m just really bummed out that since Fan4istic is/was part of the FoXverse that we couldn’t see Miles Tellarr as Reed Richards contributing his beautiful full and amazing generous talents to this film. Seeing his acting skills on display would have been a huge red bonus for this film. It would certainly add a special X factor to it to show that not only is He part of the movie but there is that blending of superhero teams as well

Kinberg could have always included a cool plot point where they need a special smart scientist to help them understand what’s happening to Jean/Phoenix and Tellarr as Richards could enter in as a special guest role or cameo. It would have really benefited the movie. Kind of a big error on Kinberg’s part. As part of it Jean and Storm exchange glances commenting on his geeky cool but good looks as well for humor and jokes as well like Marvel

 

[Superhero 101]

The new footage sounds pretty cool especially the New York stuff i have always wanted to see magneto rip out a train from the underground subway and hurl it at the x men

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Fox’s ‘Dark Phoenix’ Brightens Expectations With WonderCon Win

I like this bit right here.

With all of that as a preamble, it was easy to expect the worst when the arena lights went down and new footage filled the screen. Instead a funny thing happened. The 10-minute sequence from the first act of Dark Phoenix wasn’t bad — it was, in fact, the opposite of bad. Which is to say it was good. Very good. Like X-Men: Days of Future Past kind of good.

 

[carpenter82]

 

[carpenter82]

 

[carpenter82]

Sorry for some of them being a little blurry.

 

[carpenter82]

 

[Xeno]

SPOILERS
Description of the NYC fight clip from wondercon

Dark Phoenix Footage Description: X-Men vs Mutant Brotherhood Scene

I'm really liking the Jean/Dark Phoenix dialogue. there is an arrogance and coldness to it.

Magneto is such a freaking hypocrite. In Apocalypse, he killed untold millions of people, only turning on Apocalypse at the very end. Charles and the rest of the world inexplicably forgave him for his genocidal rampage immediately afterward. Yet Erik is spouting off at Charles without a thought about all the horrible s*** he himself has done in the past.

I am so through with these two and their neverending cycle of heel-turns by Erik and groveling from Charles.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fox’s ‘Dark Phoenix’ Brightens Expectations With WonderCon Win

There was nothing win about the panel. The footage was garbage.

Beast and Mystique take on more "human" non-blue appearances the minute they step into the X-Mansion. Why would they do this? It makes no sense.

 

[TheVileOne]

I agree! I'm curious about Sophie's delivery of Phoenix lines vs her as Jean (how she changes her tone, timbre, etc..)

Virtually not at all.

 

[TheVileOne]

There is absolutely no excuse for Beast and Mystique assuming "human" forms at the Mansion while they are around their peers and other mutants.

 

[x-er]

no make up + lawrence's real face = more money sadly

this is not one of those cases where the audience is dumbstruck by the fact that Gamora and Uhura (the star trek girl) are one and the same. Or better yet Magneto and Gandalf!

 

[TheVileOne]

no make up + lawrence's real face = more money sadly

No it doesn't. Apocalypse made only $155 million in 2016.

Also, why is she adopting this form when she's at HOME IN THE X-MANSION WITH OTHER MUTANTS.

 

[icekid]

No it doesn't. Apocalypse made only $155 million in 2016.

Also, why is she adopting this form when she's at HOME IN THE X-MANSION WITH OTHER MUTANTS.

She’s human in literally 2 scenes. Chill out, it doesn’t make sense (highest paid actress in the world that hates makeup can call all the shots she wants) but it’s such a small part that it doesn’t matter.

EDIT: correction, 3 scenes.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

She’s human in literally 2 scenes. Chill out, it doesn’t make sense (highest paid actress in the world that hates makeup can call all the shots she wants) but it’s such a small part that it doesn’t matter.

EDIT: correction, 3 scenes.

Why should he "chill out"? Is it too much to ask that a character who is supposed to have blue skin have blue skin? Especially when there is no reason for her to shape shift to look like a human?

 

[Ordet]

I am so through with these two and their neverending cycle of heel-turns by Erik and groveling from Charles.

There was never a heel-turn by Erik.
That was always a great misreading.

Magneto follows his way.
For e example, he stayed with Apocalypse for as long as their ideals seem to be the same.

 

[icekid]

Why should he "chill out"? Is it too much to ask that a character who is supposed to have blue skin have blue skin? Especially when there is no reason for her to shape shift to look like a human?

Is it really expected that she be in blue form the entire time when it’s already been revealed how much Lawrence absolutely hates the process? We were never going to get it, no matter how hard anyone tried. But we’re 3/3 and probably 4/10 minutes total, out of a nearly two and a half hour movie.

 

[Ordet]

Why should he "chill out"? Is it too much to ask that a character who is supposed to have blue skin have blue skin? Especially when there is no reason for her to shape shift to look like a human?

It's very funny to hear that a shapeshifter characters have to look like a fan claim

 

[TheVileOne]

Is it really expected that she be in blue form the entire time when it’s already been revealed how much Lawrence absolutely hates the process? We were never going to get it, no matter how hard anyone tried. But we’re 3/3 and probably 4/10 minutes total, out of a nearly two and a half hour movie.

Yes. Otherwise, why is she transforming at home in front of other mutants? Why even show her with blue skins and scales at all?