Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[x-er]

I figure the movie won't be distinguishing between a phoenix and a dark phoenix, just one phoenix personality that jean can't control.

 

[x-er]

Robert Downey Jr made $10 million for his role in Spider-man homecoming and he actually wasn't in it that much.

edit nvm

 

[icekid]

The Dark Phoenix saga doesn't go galactic as much as the previous Phoenix story-line. Most of it take place on earth, then on the moon in the last part. Throughout the story you do see her slowly sort of shift in her persona, which is what the story is about. That's essentially the story's premise: "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Keep in mind this movie started filming just as presidents of both Fox and Disney were starting to enter into talks about a potential merger. Those making the films wouldn't have any knowledge of this until later. The announcement wasn't officially made until 2 months after the film wrapped shooting. So obviously that affected what was later planned.

The “two parter” news goes even before that. Munn mentioned it before filming in addition to other sources, even before the title was announced and Kinberg confirmed he was directing. All of that happened before the merger so that didn’t affect the two movies. Fox made that decision probably based on Kinbergs inexperience and wanted to give him and inch before he took a mile. So he then probably had to condense both into one and remove a lot. In order to make the parts he had remaining make sense together, he also likely had to make up a lot, hence the liberties.

I believe the reshoots aren’t in reaction to not getting the sequel or killing the set up of one but for genuine beefing up of the third act as stated.

 

[Cktopl33]

I figure the movie won't be distinguishing between a phoenix and a dark phoenix, just one phoenix personality that jean can't control.

That's essentially what it was suppose to be, Jean wrestling with darker instincts of herself. Phoenix was still supposed to be Jean, but simply without psychic barriers to repress her powers. She just took on the name of Phoenix instead of Marvel Girl.

 

[x-er]

The “two parter” news goes even before that. Munn mentioned it before filming in addition to other sources, even before the title was announced and Kinberg confirmed he was directing. All of that happened before the merger so that didn’t affect the two movies. Fox made that decision probably based on Kinbergs inexperience and wanted to give him and inch before he took a mile. So he then probably had to condense both into one and remove a lot. In order to make the parts he had remaining make sense together, he also likely had to make up a lot, hence the liberties.

I believe the reshoots aren’t in reaction to not getting the sequel or killing the set up of one but for genuine beefing up of the third act as stated.

It would be nice if they gave fans an update every now and then. Ever since they lost singer during apocalypse they've been obnoxiously secretive about the franchise.

Personally, all the updates we god before Days of FUture Past led me to pay for seven movie tickets for the screening of the theatrical release and one rental of the Rogue Cut because, as a fan, i was thrilled.. With the hype and promo Apocalypse got I only rented it once, never watched it in theaters. And Dark Phoenix only differs in that it is getting postponed now. I'm honestly not hyped up because we're not getting anything at all while we wait.

So... it would have been nice to get more updates. Especially after Days of FUture Past. Had I known from an official Fox source that Singer wasn't making an X5 ever again, I would have bailed long ago. Whatever plans they have now, it would be nice to know what to expect.

 

[Cktopl33]

The “two parter” news goes even before that. Munn mentioned it before filming in addition to other sources, even before the title was announced and Kinberg confirmed he was directing. All of that happened before the merger so that didn’t affect the two movies. Fox made that decision probably based on Kinbergs inexperience and wanted to give him and inch before he took a mile. So he then probably had to condense both into one and remove a lot. In order to make the parts he had remaining make sense together, he also likely had to make up a lot, hence the liberties.

I believe the reshoots aren’t in reaction to not getting the sequel or killing the set up of one but for genuine beefing up of the third act as stated.

I think it was intended to be included in a new trilogy with the new cast introduced in Apocalypse. Back in 2016 when they were in development, Kinberg stated that Apocalypse had introduced younger versions of the characters with the intention of then exploring them in their own trilogy of films. Munn's comments were during shooting, back in September last year. Kinberg pitched the "bold and radical" approach of the movie to the studio ahead of when Fox was said to be pressing "the reset button" on the franchise due to the financial and critical under-performance of Apocalypse with Singer not returning, back in Nov 2016 . By that time Kinberg was already deep in writing the script. By March 2017, Kinberg and Hutch Parker started early prep on the film.

I'm saying the merger deal began with talks while the movie was shooting and later officially announced just after the movie wrapped, likely changing future plans and making Dark Phoenix the last x-men film from Fox. I think Dark Phoenix was probably made relatively self contained like the previous x-men movies and that the next one would have naturally followed afterward whether Kinberg would return to direct or not.

 

[Cktopl33]

It would be nice if they gave fans an update every now and then. Ever since they lost singer during apocalypse they've been obnoxiously secretive about the franchise.

Personally, all the updates we god before Days of FUture Past led me to pay for seven movie tickets for the screening of the theatrical release and one rental of the Rogue Cut because, as a fan, i was thrilled.. With the hype and promo Apocalypse got I only rented it once, never watched it in theaters. And Dark Phoenix only differs in that it is getting postponed now. I'm honestly not hyped up because we're not getting anything at all while we wait.

So... it would have been nice to get more updates. Especially after Days of FUture Past. Had I known from an official Fox source that Singer wasn't making an X5 ever again, I would have bailed long ago. Whatever plans they have now, it would be nice to know what to expect.

Well, look at Logan.

In April 2016, Fox decided not to showcase its upcoming movie releases, including Logan, at Hall H at San Diego Comic-Con, as the studio felt it could not prevent the piracy of custom trailers and exclusive footage routinely screened for fans in attendance.

They released a teaser trailer 5 months before U.S. release along with the first poster. 2nd trailer didn't debut until two months before release. And then later on in the months closer to release a handful of more images, posters, clips. That was the extent of it's marketing. And the tone of Logan initially scared Fox. If they follow this route for Dark Phoenix, the first trailer should release sometime next month, along with kick-starting the marketing campaign. (Although The Predator's teaser trailer was released 4 months before its release). Second trailer probably sometime in December.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Kinberg has said in the past that his favorite X-Man is Jean grey.

Not sure where you read that but in the special features for the DOFP blu-ray, he said his favourite is Magneto. Not that I care who his fave is, they'll still get questionable dialogue. If anything, they'll get more of it!

You may be stretching abit there.

Please stop talking in generalities and platitudes. If you want to have a proper discussion on what I've mentioned then go thru that list and tell me why you think I'm wrong when I complained why Jean and Cyclops didn't have a bigger role in an adaptation of Dark Phoenix, why Cyclops, Storm and Jean weren't the "First Class," why Kitty wasn't a lead in DOFP, or why Archangel wasn't the main horsemen in Apocalypse.

Stop telling me I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Or that I don't give a damn about logic. Or that I may be stretching abit there.

Otherwise you're just wasting both our times.

if we decide to believe one then why ignore another? just because its not something to complain about?

Huh? You mean to tell me you either believe ALL the rumours of the film on the internet from different sources or NONE of the rumours? So you're saying, if Lip believes @Manabyte, he should also believe the reddit source about Cyclops' screentime? Come again?

That's not how that works...

Maybe what you meant to say is what Lip just posted here:

So? So you can't be selective like that. If you're going to believe Scott and Beast have a big amount of screentime based on that reddit post, then you have to believe the movie is awful like that post says. You can't just select what is appeals to you from that to make your "point".

 

[GuestStar2004]

Not sure where you read that but in the special features for the DOFP blu-ray, he said his favourite is Magneto. Not that I care who his fave is, they'll still get questionable dialogue. If anything, they'll get more of it!

He did a podcast interview sometime ago and said Jean was his favorite X-Man. he did mention Magneto but i assume he mentioned jean as in X-Women. to give a favorite for both gender.

Please stop talking in generalities and platitudes. If you want to have a proper discussion on what I've mentioned then go thru that list and tell me why you think I'm wrong when I complained why Jean and Cyclops didn't have a bigger role in an adaptation of Dark Phoenix, why Cyclops, Storm and Jean weren't the "First Class," why Kitty wasn't a lead in DOFP, or why Archangel wasn't the main horsemen in Apocalypse.

Stop telling me I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Or that I don't give a damn about logic. Or that I may be stretching abit there.

Otherwise you're just wasting both our times.

Id be wasting both our times if i was to make an arguement we stood no chance agreeing on.

Its like comparing a Deadpool movie to X-Force. yes You would normally expect Deadpool to be in X-FORCE but he isn't required to be in X-FORCE because really you can do whatever you want within the title X-FORCE. But with a Deadpool movie you kinda expect Deadpool. Same with a film called Dark Phoenix with Jean Gray.

Huh? You mean to tell me you either believe ALL the rumours of the film on the internet from different sources or NONE of the rumours? So you're saying, if Lip believes @Manabyte, he should also believe the reddit source about Cyclops' screentime? Come again?

I have no idea what you just said

You know sometimes it is possible to be on the fence about the possibility that information might be right while also holding the possibility that it could wrong. but then there are also times when general opinion can alter how people see things anyway.

To make an assumption that one piece of unofficial information is right while ignoring the other piece of unofficial information is strange.

That right there is being selective on what appeals to you.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The reddit posts that claims Scott and Beast have big amount of screentime, also claims the movie is awful and repeat mistakes from previous movies.

"Jeremy Conrad" brought up here has nothing to do with the point about the screentime of Dark Phoenix characters.

You are missing the point of each individual persons opinion then and how if you judge the film based on that then you genuinely expect the film to be dreadful just like many did with Deadpool 2 thanks to "Jeremy Conrad"

He wasn't wrong about alot of his information but his hatred for the movie made people worried. its still 83 on RT even if some were disappointed with it.

If you don't see the comparison that i am trying to make then thats all fine and dandy.

 

[Jh7058622]

Anyone notice that Jean in the original comic was Dark Phoenix for pretty much an hour or two? I’m rereading it now and she literally turned above Central Park, beat the X-Men, flew across the galaxy to eat a sun and then flew back home. At home she fought the X-Men again until Xavier put her mental circuit breakers back on and bam, Dark Phoenix is done. Even in the gladiator match she just briefly turned back into regular Phoenix, although her last two panels colored her costume in red for some unexplained reason whereas it was green the 6 panels prior.

Without the inclusion of the Hellfire Saga in this movie or a previous entry setting up Phoenix and the Shi’ar in a prior and separate movie, I’d have to take some liberties to turn the above into a movie. As we have gotten tidbits about prior and during production, it looks as if they actually tried to make it a two parter and Fox put a leash on it just like they forced the Gifted storyline in X3.

Dark Phoenix was also present during her part with the Hellfire Club. Just because she wasn't in the red costume doesn't mean she wasn't dark Phoenix. It's about her journey into madness too.

 

[The Guard]

Hasn’t Kinberg come right and said that Jean will be the main character in this?

 

[The Infernal]

The film does seem to be using the phoenix as an extension of her powers and mirror some comic elements according to the synopsis:

I pointed out that Kinberg was honoring the original intent of the PHOENIX, which was Claremont's intent, which clearly uses metaphor for mental illness in the comic. That is part of her struggle with attempting to maintain control. Why you think the mental illness angle dismisses that, I don't understand.

Maybe because you're reading something I didn't say into what I wrote. I just don't want a slight variation on what Kinberg already delivered on X3. I want to see the Phoenix as an actual seperate entity to Jean and not a literal mental illness. I'm not talking about comic accuracy so much, just getting away from the previous depiction.

 

[SumT]

Hasn’t Kinberg come right and said that Jean will be the main character in this?

Jean can be "the main character", yet not being the one with most lines/screentime.

we wont know it for real until we see the movie.

I wouldnt be surprised if Charles Xavier ends having more lines than Jean, since Charles is the character that probably will share screentime with most of the cast (Jessica, Jennifer, Fassbender, Nicholas, Tye, and co).

Most of the plot and talk on the movie/scenes will likely be about Jean, but she can easily be absent from some good portions of the movie, with Charles and others having more lines than her.

 

[Frankeh]

Just like (wasn't it Singer?) that said Storm was one of the main characters in X-Men: Apocalypse?

Again, I'm not saying Jean won't be a lead character in this, just don't put too much stock into what these guys say.

I still remember when Singer said X-Men: Apocalypse would have the biggest power displays of the franchise. Lol. Storm barely did anything. And when he said Psylocke represented the sexual component of a cult, people who slept with their leaders. Where was that in the movie? And what was Singer smoking?

 

[Alison Blaire]

Not sure where you read that but in the special features for the DOFP blu-ray, he said his favourite is Magneto. Not that I care who his fave is, they'll still get questionable dialogue. If anything, they'll get more of it!

Yes,Magneto and Wolverine.

49:30
https://youtu.be/0aiTycprkGA
[YT]https://youtu.be/0aiTycprkGA[/YT]

 

[GuestStar2004]

And when he said Psylocke represented the sexual component of a cult, people who slept with their leaders. Where was that in the movie?

That was likely subtext. she worked for Caliban until Apocalypse came along who had more power and so she left with him.

She had no loyalty to Caliban, it was just about the power.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Nicholas Hoult is in Melbourne right now
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmW_Ft4Hoyq/?taken-by=rjnorton64


So he's not in the third act reshoots?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Probably not. I’m thinking the third act will mainly involve Jean, Scott, Xavier and Magneto fighting Chastain’s character and her alien army at the UN meeting.

 

[Cktopl33]

Nicholas Hoult is in Melbourne right now
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmW_Ft4Hoyq/?taken-by=rjnorton64


So he's not in the third act reshoots?

Re-shoots allegedly could span a three month period (likely to include Chastain and McAvoy two months later after they wrap It Ch.2 which is shooting in Canada also) so Hoult might come back then if he's involved with any scenes concerning those two.

 

[Ryan1210]

Kinberg posted a behind the scene photo of the reshoot a couple days ago.

 

[Jh7058622]

Cool. Obviously they're doing a scene on a semi truck for an action sequence?

 

[EnDz0n3]

It does look like the front of a semi. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Magneto-related somehow. Hopefully not a repeat of the truck-flipping from X3.

That was likely subtext. she worked for Caliban until Apocalypse came along who had more power and so she left with him.

She had no loyalty to Caliban, it was just about the power.

Boy they really nailed Psylocke didn’t they?

 

[psyonic]

It does look like the front of a semi. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Magneto-related somehow. Hopefully not a repeat of the truck-flipping from X3.



Boy they really nailed Psylocke didn’t they?

Don't even.. there was already a report of DP being a rehash of X3

 

[DACrowe]

I never said it wasn't originally an extension of her powers.

And yeah, not surprised you are already championing Kinberg's take on this. At this point you might as well have read the script to come to this conclusion that he is honoring Claremont's intent.

Jessica Chastain's character is nowhere to be found in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Magneto and Genosha also do not have sizable roles in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Kinberg is taking many liberties, this doesn't sound like another DOFP.

Not that it really matters at this point, but Chris Claremont has had conversations with Kinberg. I don't know if he's read the script, but presumably he knows where they're going in this film and said he is very happy with how they're approaching it. Mind you, a conversation of what the movie will be is different than what it actually ends up being.