Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[itsrivv]

Ok these actually look amazing. They’d be dumb not to sell these jackets!

 

[Charzhin0]

Thank you for mentioning the color palette in Apocalypse. I think it's a gorgeous film. Easily the best cinematography of the entire series.

Funny because I thought the camerawork waa the worst in the series. Those zoomed in full face shots were very unnecessary and took me out of the film. When they were in Egypt on top of thr cliff I hated the way the camera was zoomed in right infront of Apocalypses face. So cringey. I mean when your makeup isnt the best why constantly have these super upclose front face shots lol.

Also when Apocalypse is dying that front shot is horrible

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes it can be attributed to Kinberg.

But also that its covering some of the same foundation's of the story used in both films which is a necessity. Just like the ASM and Spiderman 1 example.

Same writer same old ideas. Removing Magneto and including the Hellfire Club would have made a difference.

 

[psylockolussus]

Laying X3 on Kinberg alone seems pretty laughable to me. Like, I'm not entirely sold on him as director even now, much as I loved the trailer (we're going to have to wait for the movie), but it seems he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

If you want to cite X3, cite DoFP too if only out of fairness. He had about equal to do with each, best as we can tell. For all we know, the better elements of X3, the stuff that worked, might have been Kinberg, with all the bull**** being Penn & Ratner. No real way to separate it.

You can't really just jump from the tone established in the Singer-verse so far to an all-out Guardians/Infinity War space-opera, it just wouldn't fly. Sounds like we're getting an extra-terrestrial element of sorts at least, and the similarities to X3 seem pretty surface/superficial anyway. Wouldn't be too worried in that sense. "Jean with a red coat" and "Charles has ****ed with her mind" alone isn't alarm-bell worthy. It's all in the context & execution. This pretty clearly looks tonally more in line with the stuff post-First-Class than it does X3.

He is mostly a miss. Do we need to mention his writing filmography again?

 

[psylockolussus]

Ragnarok was a massive departure on comic book Thor. They deconstructed his character so much hes pretty much brand new entity. Making Thor a constant joke machine, getting rid of his long hair and Shakespearean speech, getting rid of his hammer, getting rid of Lady Sif and the warriors three, disposing of Thor-Janes relationship in a flippant way for a cheap laugh, getting rid of Odin and wasting the epic reveal at the end of TDW, regressing Lokis character and ultimately getting rid of the noble, majestic tone of the previous entries in favour for light heartednes.

Yet somehow its the best Thor movie..

Ragnarok actually had writers and director with a solid track record. It was also overseen by Feige.

This one is written, directed, produced by Kinberg. That's the issue.

 

[squeekness]

I like it.

 

[psylockolussus]

They look so plain.

 

[Davidstorm]

Where can I get one of those jackets ??? Cause I want one.

loved it

 

[Charzhin0]

Just imagine how more awesome that shot would be if Cyclops had his blue n yellow combat gear, Storm and Mistique in their white outfits and beast in his bomber jacket

 

[Davidstorm]

simple and beautiful
I loved these outfits, I prefer these than the paintball suits at the end of apocalypse, something was bothering me here, especially the storm suit.

 

[psylockolussus]

The design would still look plain.

 

[Aximili86]

He is mostly a miss. Do we need to mention his writing filmography again?

Mention his writing history all you want. Mr & Mrs Smith, RDJ Sherlock Holmes, DoFP. Yes, he was involved in X3 & Apocalypse, and there's concern there, but when you mention the bad you're duty-bound to mention the good too, that's what fair people do.

He absolutely might not translate over well to a directing gig, plenty of writers don't. But I don't think it's rational to write him off now. He's been involved in the recent Singer stuff, which was one miss in Apocalypse (and not even a particularly egregious miss at that) and one pretty-honkin'-awesome in Days Of Future Past, he's produced pretty-okay-quality stuff like Elysium and The Martian, dude hasn't done anything to earn our ire to the extent the fanboys are dishing out.

 

[psylockolussus]

Mention his writing history all you want. Mr & Mrs Smith, RDJ Sherlock Holmes, DoFP. Yes, he was involved in X3 & Apocalypse, and there's concern there, but when you mention the bad you're duty-bound to mention the good too, that's what fair people do.

He absolutely might not translate over well to a directing gig, plenty of writers don't. But I don't think it's rational to write him off now. He's been involved in the recent Singer stuff, which was one miss in Apocalypse (and not even a particularly egregious miss at that) and one pretty-honkin'-awesome in Days Of Future Past, he's produced pretty-okay-quality stuff like Elysium and The Martian, dude hasn't done anything to earn our ire to the extent the fanboys are dishing out.

He rwote more bad films. Look it up. I already gave him the benefit of the doubt after dofp. Then Fant4stic and Apocalypsecame out. Never again.

And as if his "producer" role was so instrumental in films like the Martian.

 

[Aximili86]

I just quoted the bulk of the guy's mainstream filmography. Jumper, XXX State Of The Union? Sure, they're ****. Just not sure why you'd put more stock in them than his X-Men stuff so far.

Dude was involved in First Class (producer) & DoFP (producer/writer), not just X3 & Apocalypse. He's never directed anything before (it'd be unfair to count F4), we basically have nothing to go on. Chill. If this sucks, hate him afterwards, whatever, your prerogative.

At this point though, it's kinda like writing off The Russos on The Winter Soldier when only the teaser is out, because they'd written a few ****ty romantic comedies beforehand. Not exactly reasonable.

 

[Mad Ones]

Fabulous

 

[psylockolussus]

I just quoted the bulk of the guy's mainstream filmography. Jumper, XXX State Of The Union? Sure, they're ****. Just not sure why you'd put more stock in them than his X-Men stuff so far.

Dude was involved in First Class (producer) & DoFP (producer/writer), not just X3 & Apocalypse. He's never directed anything before (it'd be unfair to count F4), we basically have nothing to go on. Chill. If this sucks, hate him afterwards, whatever, your prerogative.

At this point though, it's kinda like writing off The Russos on The Winter Soldier when only the teaser is out, because they'd written a few ****ty romantic comedies beforehand. Not exactly reasonable.

You forgot this is war. He already got three misses with cb films and imo that's enough. I was never wrong with Snyder and Bay delivering another bad film. Anyway we got a trailer and it looks bad. Same old problems. Characters that don't look like the source material, look at Selene. Beast and Mystique in human form. Storm in the background. Erik and Xavier bickering again. Also the trailer also proved that the reedit leak is true. This cannot be good

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Is this pic new? I don't remember seeing that in the trailer.

 

[squeekness]

Is this pic new? I don't remember seeing that in the trailer.

I don't know but I like it. She seems so sad.

 

[Lip]

According to that plot leak (which now seems to be quite accurate),

Spoiler

it doesn't bode well for him at all. Talk about a letdown and a waste of character.

Though I really do want them to tye up his storyline with Magneto somehow. Probably unlikely that it's going to happen, but I'd love to see it as I was always a big fan of the Maximoff twins and their relationship with Mags.

I also found this part:

Spoiler

Lmao quicksilver and magneto never meet. Quicksilver gets knocked out by jean really hard halfway through and is never seem again in the version I saw. Genosha is shown enough but it looks like a camp site from "the walking dead"

Yeah, we know the whole movie now. LOL

And it does not seem like the "revolutionary" movie they are selling. And the game changing plot twist it's what everybody is expecting. No surprise there, only relief.

Let's see if the reshoots change a lot of this or not.

 

[Aximili86]

You forgot this is war. He already got three misses with cb films and imo that's enough. I was never wrong with Snyder and Bay delivering another bad film. Anyway we got a trailer and it looks bad. Same old problems. Characters that don't look like the source material, look at Selene. Beast and Mystique in human form. Storm in the background. Erik and Xavier bickering again. Also the trailer also proved that the reedit leak is true. This cannot be good

Take a walk, get a little fresh air maybe.

 

[fobi]

Kind of crazy that some are putting so much stock into a plot leak.

 

[Ryan1210]

Well the trailer was available a long time ago and people can easily make up a spoiler based on that trailer. It's funny that some sites, which didn't like Fox-Marvel movies before, are reporting positive things about this movie and people choose to believe a spoiler thread on reddit which has been debunked by the mods.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I love the new uniforms! Something crossed my this morning about Smith's alien in disguise character. What if Kinberg is taking a cue from the ultimate story and the Phoenix created life-forms on those planets and watched them grow and prosper. However, as time went by, the civilizations grew more advanced and sophisticated, and soon became jealous of the Phoenix. They wanted its raw, unimaginable, and limitless power for themselves. Soon after, the inhabitants of the planets waged war upon the Phoenix, trying to control it, as well as its power. Thus it escaped and bonded with Jean sensing her psychic energy to hide itself. Thus bringing the aliens to Earth to seek out the Phoenix.

Just my theory...

 

[OroroGambitFan]

In Thor Ragnarok we have not only Thor acting 100% out of character, but also Loki, Hela, Odin, and Hulk.

Cap so far seems the closest to comic books, Tony Stark in Iron Man 3 was out of character but when they stop with the jokes he is on point. Ruffalo looks nothing like Banner and he is too much of comic relief. Scarlet Widow is okay but miscast. Hawkeye should be a little more irreverent but they did not make him do much.

Homecoming is the worst Spiderman movie, precisely because is the least resembling a Spiderman story of them all. Parker is a LOSER and has a miserable life that when he becomes Spiderman it gets even worse, i just saw nothing about Parker or Spiderman in that movie. Too many forced Avengers references, too many jokes, no Uncle Ben, unrecognizable Vulture. The part of Peter in the rubble was good thought. But beyond that he does not have much of the character, it would be nice if they gave the funny one liners to him, but since they all have that in the mcu he just does not stand out as much. He was good in Infinity War and okay in Civil War thought, except those "pop culture references" since he is meant to represent the youngest in the audience.



The first time i came out of Spiderman, Spiderman 2, X2 and TDK among others i was insane. Do you know how much i love Marvel/DC and how much effort they have to make to make me feel indifferent about a movie of any of their characters? And yet here we are, i grew up tired over business people with no creative vision getting the characters/stories wrong over and over and over again.

I was pretty excited after DOFP and Apocalypse, of what could come, and now i have a bittersweet feeling because i am not gonna feel excited about an X-Men movie anymore after this one, it kinda makes me sad to see disney get such a filmmaking monopoly and people happy about it.
I was excited after Infinity War too even thought it had some jokes that had no place to be in it, but i dont expect anything from the mcu after Avengers 4 except for maybe Black Panther 2 and Doctor Strange 2.
I was excited about Snyder League too after BvS and the trailers, but then i got my heart broken.

Apocalypse was not as good as DOFP, but the thing that i like about it is that is EXACTLY like reading a comic book: The shots, the dialogues, the situations, the action scenes, even the color palette, it was literally a comic book in film form. Snyder does that a lot and i love it, unlike the mcu that has a more "grounded and realistic" visual style that is shot in a total different way, more like a movie than a comic book panel.

The Last Stand has a lot of good stuff in it, maybe it has not aged well i have not seen it in ages. I found all Wolverine movies pretty "meh".



I dont care about the money, that never reflects how good a movie is, and funny what you say because i feel the opposite, the fox movies have changed how the characters looks, but the essence remains for the most part, while the mcu puts comedy over everything else, then we get something like Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron or Thor Ragnarok that have literally nothing to do with anything related to Marvel. Both IM3 and Ragnarok have Tony and Thor turned into slapstick clowns just because is easier to sell them like that.
I totally get what you say and you even are right about it for the most part, but the mcu is not specially faithful either be it tone or characters or whatever, and i dont want X-Men movies to become goofy comedies just because disney wants all the money in the world.
Infinity War, the best mcu movie, still had the problem of artificial comedy, something that could have been as simple as do not film the scene of "invisible Drax" by example, because it makes the scene ridiculous and kills the mood.
I cannot trust disney with handling any property properly because they have failed, on purpose, a lot of times because they have other priorities that being faithful.
Look at DOFP, it has humor, but when it gets serious, there are no jokes in the middle of a tense of sad moment to try to make you laugh.
That is the main and biggest flaw the mcu hasm and is not only that it has forced, out of place, out of character, and all around just dumb humor (for the most part, not always all the time) but that it has self aware humor, it has "this is a superhero story, this is dumb and childish, comic books are not art, people know this is ridiculous because of x random reason, this should not be taken seriously" kind of jokes that just bring the whole thing down.
This is Marvel, where are the stakes, where is the tragedy, the moral dilemmas, the philosophy, the deep complex themes, the science fiction, the mystical stuff, the crazy weird characters, where is the Marvel spirit in the mcu movies? I have seen only brief flashes of it:
I am not saying that they have to be a full on tragedy or comedy all the time, but they have to find a balance, they have went overboard with the humor. The X-Men movies did it, is not hard for disney to do it, they only have to try.
That is my problem, it took them 10 years to make something like Infinity War, something that i never thought i would see by the way disney handles Marvel, and they still did not get it completely right.
I left most X-Men movies satisfied of what i saw, of the experience of seeing not only a good movie but a good adaptation of the source material, not without changes but with the spirit intact, i cannot say the same of the mcu and is not me, is them.
Just one more little thing, remember (and i saw it as i went throught this thread) people complaining about The Last Stand and how Wolverine kills Jean while saying that he loves her? THAT, THAT is a 100% Marvel and X-Men moment, that is what makes them great, i remember reading a review that said it was too much, that comic book movies are not "supposed" to be Shakesperian dramas, but yes, that is exactly what they have to be, is what made them good and successful for so many decades in the first place, that is why they are our modern mythology. Disney does not understand that so it wants to change it to appeal a broader audience that only see movies to pass the time, so we get a GREAT movie like Doctor Strange, that is filled with jokes that feel like they belong to a complete different movie bringing the whole thing down, almost as if the producers put them with a different colo pen in the finished script.

Well I feel the almost exact opposite of you. As a hardcore fan of X-men (started reading comics in the late 80's) I can tell you that the first Xmen movie was awesome to me, like a dream come true. I was also on board with X2- and unlike most people I didn't have X3, it wasn't the greatest but nearly as bad as people say. The thing about it though, while those movies were servicable and even good, they weren't at their core what I would consider to be X-Men movies. They were movies about stuff xmen is about and they had the characters w/the same names but the heart, the spirit, the essence, the science elements, the team dynamics, the strong representation of women--- all missing! And to me those things make an x-world feel authentic.

After X3 the only movie I connected with was DOFP. Apocalypse ranks in my book as one of the all time worse comic movies ever made. So I feel for you cuz you got what you wanted from Fox apparently, but I for one couldn't be happier that this is landing in Marvel's hands. Like most people, I've been impressed w/what Marvel has done.

As a fan who wants the world to know, love, appreciate, and respect the X-men as much as I do--- I can't wait for Marvel to bring authenticity to the table and tell their stories. We've had SOOO many years of Fox at this point and they have driven the appeal of the X-men into the ground, time to be born anew. From the ashes of the Phoenix come Marvel's X-men- and I can't wait!

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Kind of crazy that some are putting so much stock into a plot leak.

Kind of hard not to when it's almost beat for beat what we saw in the recent trailer. Unless we're experiencing promotional misdirection on the level of MGS2 or Bridge to Terabithia, I say the leak's pretty legit.