Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[EnDz0n3]

Have I? Have I mentioned Feige or Disney? Kinberg was forced to change the movie as a result of other factors, but not by Disney or Feige. Neither Disney nor Feige were giving orders on this movie. This was before Disney was even officially in the picture. Which is why I never mentioned them.

There’s a post for everything:

Let's not forget, as has been mentioned before on the net, that Kevin Feige went over the script for Dark Phoenix before the movie even began shooting so he was well aware what would be in the film. Then he later moved forward with the production of Captain Marvel which began shooting after Dark Phoenix.

How odd indeed.

You seem to have a problem of continuously creating your own narrative and falsely attribute it to someone else. How odd.

 

[Cktopl33]

There’s a post for everything:

Is there an actual point? That quote is not related to the changes I'm talking about. Rather it highlighted the fact that Feige would have already known what was in the film if he reviewed the script before it shot, so it wouln't make sense for him to "request" the movie be changed after the fact of wasting all that time and energy shooting scenes he already knew were in the script only to have them be reshot later.

The changes to Dark Phoenix were made as the movie enter production. Some scenes had already been shot when they later realized it wasn't going to work due to the ordered changes that suddenly had to made. So Feige wouldn't have been aware of these changes if he reviewed the script before they started shooting. The script he read, if it was based on the 2 parter, would have been different from the script that was being redone during production since there would no longer be a 2 parter. And again, this wasn't based on Disney. Disney didn't enter the picture until much later. Neither Feige nor Kinberg were aware of what would later transpire (that would be after the movie was shot).

 

[psylockolussus]

I think it would be the worst than the previous films, ending the series in a such bad note. This is why I'm happy that Disney gets to buy foX, because the more things Kinberg do, such as directing, writing and overseeing the series, the messier things would be. And its just gonna tarnish the series that the original cast built on. I hope this is last Kinberg's comic book film ever for he is not worthy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Maybe a limited theatrical release in select theaters?

Maybe, but I think it will get a wide release. I just think they won't spend much more money on it beyond what Fox already has. At this late stage in the game it would mostly come from the marketing budget. I think they will want to get what they can out of it with minimal investment. If it makes a profit great, but even losing some money would be better than writing off the whole thing completely.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There would be no reason at all to give it a limited release.

At that rate you might as well just follow through with a full release.

 

[Mysteryman]

Does the cast have an upcoming convention appearance?
it seems like I read that somewhere.

 

[The Infernal]

I don't see Phoenix being shelved this late. Perhaps there were discussions earlier on, but things have proceeded too far at this stage. I don't see Disney putting their full weight behind a property that will be forgotten the moment it is released and they will want to capitalise on their own rebooted version as soon as they can.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Does the cast have an upcoming convention appearance?
it seems like I read that somewhere.

 

[Cktopl33]

Does the cast have an upcoming convention appearance?
it seems like I read that somewhere.

Wondercon Friday March 29th. They're suppose to show new footage. I heard they're debating on showing some of the New York battle sequence or another clip. They may or may not show two clips.

 

[GuestStar2004]

they will want to capitalise on their own rebooted version as soon as they can.

Its still fair to say that it will be a while before you see a team of X-Men in the MCU. i think they will leave it up to Fiege when they are introduced, and i don't think Feige will rush them in there just because he can.

The FOX sandbox will probably be used more sparingly then people wanna believe. Fiege has already a head start on MCU ideas and more than enough going on currently after all with Spider-man 3, Dr strange 2, Ant-man 3, Black widow, Captain marvel 2, ect ect.

But we have to remember also that this deal wasn't just to buy X-MEN. infact X-Men and F4 were likely smaller sections of the deal then what Disney really wanted FOX for. so their eye may not be strongly on X-Men as some may wanna think.

 

[Mysteryman]

Thanks guys, I knew i wasn't imagining that.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't see Phoenix being shelved this late. Perhaps there were discussions earlier on, but things have proceeded too far at this stage. I don't see Disney putting their full weight behind a property that will be forgotten the moment it is released and they will want to capitalise on their own rebooted version as soon as they can.

It will just come and go.

 

[hurrikane2]

Wondercon Friday March 29th. They're suppose to show new footage. I heard they're debating on showing some of the New York battle sequence or another clip. They may or may not show two clips.

So have you actually seen a screening of dark Phx or do you know someone that has??

 

[EnDz0n3]

Is there an actual point? That quote is not related to the changes I'm talking about. Rather it highlighted the fact that Feige would have already known what was in the film if he reviewed the script before it shot, so it wouln't make sense for him to "request" the movie be changed after the fact of wasting all that time and energy shooting scenes he already knew were in the script only to have them be reshot later.

The changes to Dark Phoenix were made as the movie enter production. Some scenes had already been shot when they later realized it wasn't going to work due to the ordered changes that suddenly had to made. So Feige wouldn't have been aware of these changes if he reviewed the script before they started shooting. The script he read, if it was based on the 2 parter, would have been different from the script that was being redone during production since there would no longer be a 2 parter. And again, this wasn't based on Disney. Disney didn't enter the picture until much later. Neither Feige nor Kinberg were aware of what would later transpire (that would be after the movie was shot).

I guess the real point is: “Poor Kinberg.” It seems all of his plans and great scripts are always ruined by other people. Before, it was Ratner ruining his Dark Phoenix plans in X3. Then Trank. Then Singer. Then we are told, by Kinberg himself, that Feige “reviewed his script and tone.” And now some other entity “ordered changes” to Kinberg?

Nice narrative. Life of a Simon is hard.

 

[henzINNIT]

Not to bandwagon the 'screw Kinberg' sentiment, but I hope his time with Marvel ends with Dark Phoenix. The MCU has its own issues but it doesn't need his screenwriting talents. Maybe his directorial skills will win me over, however unlikely it appears.

 

[sleekstereo]

The final shot of the film should be the old cast with their younger counterparts with "Thank you...the end."

 

[GuestStar2004]

That sounds kinda silly.

 

[psyonic]

The final shot of the film should be the old cast with their younger counterparts with "Thank you...the end."

lmao i'd fire you if actually worked on the movie and you came up with that idea

 

[martinp1]

lmao i'd fire you if actually worked on the movie and you came up with that idea

lol how about an ending like the return of the jedi ghosts but of the original x-men watching the younger x-men

 

[Manasrepublic]

lol how about an ending like the return of the jedi ghosts but of the original x-men watching the younger x-men

Lol that sounds even worse!! Force ghost x-man Famke staring at Sophie Turner for no reason... that would be epic but very meta and tongue in cheek

Better yet have all of the x-men in Dark phoenix die by being drowned in puddles of water by regular security forces ala Shyamalan and then the old guard with deaging technology take their place

 

[Frankeh]

lol how about an ending like the return of the jedi ghosts but of the original x-men watching the younger x-men

 

[Cktopl33]

So have you actually seen a screening of dark Phx or do you know someone that has??

Something like that.

 

[Cktopl33]

I guess the real point is: “Poor Kinberg.” It seems all of his plans and great scripts are always ruined by other people. Before, it was Ratner ruining his Dark Phoenix plans in X3. Then Trank. Then Singer. Then we are told, by Kinberg himself, that Feige “reviewed his script and tone.” And now some other entity “ordered changes” to Kinberg?

Nice narrative. Life of a Simon is hard.

Just unfortunate. Now that I know more of what happened behind the scenes, I have a better understanding of the "why" with this movie that other people don't. You should know by now what happened with X3, it's no secret. It's also no secret that Trank is responsible for his own behavior. Same applies to Singer. Kinberg was indeed forced to changed things in his initial script from what the movie was intended to be (that will probably come out publicly later as all things tend to do). However, he as the director is responsible for what he decided to change it with. So we'll see if it works out. The fallout wasn't just Dark Phoenix. The movie unfortunately just happened to be collateral damage. It's not like the movie was targeted. It will be interesting to see if Disney will take over marketing duties for the film over the next few months now that they will soon close the merger. Disney did say it plans to release all completed or in-production Fox films after the merger is finalized.

 

[psyonic]

lol how about an ending like the return of the jedi ghosts but of the original x-men watching the younger x-men

Yeah.. you're fired too..

 

[carpenter82]

Something like that.

If you have seen the film or know someone that has, without going into specifics, what was the verdict? Thumbs up or down?