Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Marvel united]

That's like saying you wouldn't be surprised if Marc Webb (of Amazing Spider-man movies fame) was brought onto MCU to direct one of their movies because Feige also reviewed his scripts.

If only there was a way
to show past events of characters' lives
in order to expound on their arcs
and show them as fully-realized,
if still imperfect, people.

Nahhhhh.

Anyways, it's funny how the new narrative for Dark Phoenix has already shifted to "This isn't fully Kinberg's movie" almost washing their hands off the project.

Wow, let's hope we can get some of that 10 years of off-screen development expounded in flashback prologue. That will surely make up for a decade of lost time

 

[Mysteryman]

It will be good to get some new footage, if possible

 

[Nadia]

Okay but Chastain is not Hellfire Club either, so I'm not sure why you're using the comic against the Shi'ar deserving their presence...

If anything it reinforces my point. Phoenix Force is a cosmic being so the Shi'ar should be involved.

The Shiar aren't outright villans wanting Jean for her power (like Hellfire Club). They are judging her for her abuse of the power and dsctruction she caused.
Making L'landra the manipulator makes her and outright villan.

As I said this series hasn't utilised and cosmic elements before. I feel making the "manipulators" aliens (or atleats something that know what the force is) is better to the this telling if the story. Otherwise the fact that the Pheonix is cosmic just feels out of place.
Plus, I'm sure if they used Hellfire Club you would get "Kinberg reusing Hellfire Club again; he isn't orginal" on here

 

[JP]

I find it weird when the same people adamant that the X-Men should start off pre-established with 10+ years of development off-screen, then turn around and say that Fox shouldn't have skipped 10 years of the X-Men's development off-screen in Dark Phoenix.

Does it really matter? The fact is no matter WHAT is done with the X-Men at Disney, the characters will be fully realized and developed, which in turn makes them beloved by audience.. which in turn makes them massively popular/profitable. That’s what they’ve successfully been doing since 2009.

 

[EnDz0n3]

They’ve earned people’s trust with their output of movies. Unfortunately Fox will never achieve that status. People will always wait for what the word of mouth and/or reviews of these X-men movies are, to gauge if it’s worthy of their movie-watching money. Fox’s X-men movies are not an automatic buy for them.

Wow, let's hope we can get some of that 10 years of off-screen development expounded in flashback prologue. That will surely make up for a decade of lost time

You’ve been see sawing back and forth between wanting the X-men as teenagers and as being early- to mid-20s. It’s a Tuesday. Are you back to the teenagers camp again?

Otherwise wanting them as 20-year olds show that you’re pro-skipping years of development too.

 

[The Infernal]

I think comparing a ten year jump from Apocalypse to Phoenix and the mcu X-men having an established history off screen isn't an honest one. They're not the same situation. Besides some people seem to forget the first X-men did precisely that and used both Wolverine and Rogue as introductory characters to the stablished X-men team.

 

[GuestStar2004]

But truth is that once you are introduced to the characters in X1 they are already who they are. even if you included the original Cyclops discovering his powers at the start, its still the same, a large jump straight into him being who he is.

And thinking of it through that critical point of view. whats the point of making any movie in that case? if everything becomes this criticism of we didn't see the building blocks to seeing the character get to where he is when we meet him? because that also happens with alot of movies in general.

And in terms of jumping into different directions through various time jumps, MCU did this too with Black and Banner or Vision and Scarlett Witch. somehow they got into a relationship between movies and there is no point where you see how that came to be.

Even when people were going nuts about X-Men being set in various time periods... Well other comic book movies seem to be getting into that whole thing now

The time jump stuff really ain't as uncommon as people would like to think.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Name me another franchise that skips a decade per movie. One that doesn’t follow a loose thread/cliffhanger/tease from the previous movie. And then we’ll talk.

Scott could still be an imperfect X-man (and field leader) without being a teenager. Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, and Wolverine were already well into their mid- to late- 20s (some older than others) in Giant Size X-men #1 and they were still finding their way in life.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Name me another franchise that skips a decade per movie. One that doesn’t follow a loose thread/cliffhanger/tease from the previous movie. And then we’ll talk.

Wonderwomen. first one was set world war 1. Justice League presence day, sequel to first film in the 80s which is a pretty big time jump from first.

I assume Captain Marvel doesn't count in that. you can make your own minds there.

As for any other movie. alot of them seem to be touching on the time periods now for these movies. and are they gonna be the last? nooo way.

 

[Marvel united]

They’ve earned people’s trust with their output of movies. Unfortunately Fox will never achieve that status. People will always wait for what the word of mouth and/or reviews of these X-men movies are, to gauge if it’s worthy of their movie-watching money. Fox’s X-men movies are not an automatic buy for them.

You’ve been see sawing back and forth between wanting the X-men as teenagers and as being early- to mid-20s. It’s a Tuesday. Are you back to the teenagers camp again?

Otherwise wanting them as 20-year olds show that you’re pro-skipping years of development too.

Not the same. I'm not advocating for them to have been 'active' during that time period. Their development would be on pause until we actually meet the characters so we don't have a 34 yo Scott Summers who has been leading the X-Men since 2003 off-screen.

So if they're in their early 20s, they've been around 6-5 years and haven't had a true mission. If they're teens, they're freshly formed. Not the same as a seasoned, grizzled team that has more experience than the Avengers before we even meet them fighting Magneto, Sentinels and Sinister off-screen.

Context, guys.

Name me another franchise that skips a decade per movie. One that doesn’t follow a loose thread/cliffhanger/tease from the previous movie. And then we’ll talk.

Scott could still be an imperfect X-man (and field leader) without being a teenager. Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, and Wolverine were already well into their mid- to late- 20s (some older than others) in Giant Size X-men #1 and they were still finding their way in life.

I agree, it's weird and Kinberg should have never done it. Why is it any different from the MCU? Exceptions not intact?

Nightcrawler was 20 years old, Colossus was 19, Scott and Jean were in their late teens to early 20s, Storm was in her mid 20s. Banshee was much older than all of them and was a peer of Charles.

Sooooo

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Jesus, I’m almost 30 and I still haven’t figured out who I am.

 

[Web-Head]

The time jumps aren't a big deal because they're not really mentioned in the movies. In Apocalypse, some of the outfits screamed 80's and such, but it doesn't make me enjoy the movies less lol.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Hey @Marvel united for the 107th time, most people aren't advocating for a "grizzled," much less mid-30s, Cyclops. Most people that don't want him to be a teenager actually want him to be in his 20s. You're the only one who's going back and forth between teens and 20s. Everyone else is safely within the early to mid 20s span.

I guess this sort of answered that:

Because Dark Phoenix needed to have universal impact and have universal impact on a much larger existence than it would if it were a rehash of X3...and the studio said hey wouldn’t it be cool if they invaded instead since you can’t do original idea now. You know, they’re footing the bill after all so what they say, goes.

Your newest narrative isn't matching up with your formerly new(ish) narrative.

At first you said Kinberg's first 2-parter script might've been "close enough" to the source material than people anticipate.

Now you're saying the studio forced him to do rewrites to introduce aliens into the story because from your quoting of that post it seems like the previous script would've just been a rehash of X3?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Jesus, I’m almost 30 and I still haven’t figured out who I am.

To Marvel United, he thinks that if characters are in their 30s, they're grizzled, they are set for life and they can no longer have legitimate character arcs.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

To Marvel United, he thinks that if characters are in their 30s, they're grizzled, they are set for life and they can no longer have legitimate character arcs.

That’s nuts.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm turning 30 this May and I'm literally having a mid life crisis. And arent most MCu film headliners got their first solo film when the actor was already in their thirties? RDJ, Paul Rudd, Chadwick, the 2 Hulk actors and Benedict were past 40 when they appeared in their 1st mcu film.

 

[Iceman]

I’m 40 and I’ve damn well got a few more “arcs” left in me.

 

[The Infernal]

 

[Tymminator]

I’m 40 and I’ve damn well got a few more “arcs” left in me.

I’m 52 and still having fun, even cosplaying (as per my avatar)

 

[psylockolussus]

I’m 52 and still having fun, even cosplaying (as per my avatar)

Well you look like the part as Wolverine and Wolverine should be like older in the movies.

 

[Iceman]

I’m 52 and still having fun, even cosplaying (as per my avatar)

Awesome dude!

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[carpenter82]

Good to see you back. When there weren't any updates in the fan art thread, outside of my own, I started getting worried.

 

[lofoa82]

How I wish we could had a silver haired Fassbender for this movie. Wonder if it even crossed Kinberg's head or Fassy isn't into that... anyway... missed opportunity,

 

[Marvel united]

I'm 29. I'll be in my 30s when the movie comes out @EnDz0n3 the way a "grizzled" and "seasoned" vet is defined is by someone who has been doing something for a very long time. So if someone has been leading a team of people since they were 16 years old and we meet them when they are 32, they've been leading for 16-17 years. That makes them seasoned and grizzled when we meet them and, uh, that presents a problem. Steve Rogers hasn't even been Captain America that long in the MCU..

(I know you said you're not arguing for that but many other people are)

I’m 40 and I’ve damn well got a few more “arcs” left in me.

You always struck me as much younger! Wow, man.