Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[kevork89]

I like that song. Will be cool in the end credits if that’s where they plan to use it.

 

[Mysteryman]

I just want the Matter Molecularizer that made Dark Phoenix appear out of thin air!

 

[Enriquespy]

I'm kinda surprised this movie has hype. I thought people would be a little less interested.

 

[Mad Ones]

What is an official campaign song?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

My hype has been affected by all the negativity. It's hard to root for something that has actively been called trash for years. I don't know. I'm still very excited for it, but it's hard to expect this whole situation to end on a positive note. Although, I would love such a genuine underdog victory.

I know there have been reshoots for DP, particularly the climax, but I wonder if they've reshot/added anything specifically for the purpose of giving a sense of closure to the series.

 

[psylockolussus]

I sincerely worry more about the critical reception of this film than with the box office
logically it will be cool if he surpasses expectations, but this is an end, there will not be another movie or continuation, so the most important thing is that it ends with a good note.
the franchise has already made its story at the box office reaching the # 6 most profitable position.

Personally speaking, out of all the writers/directors that have worked in the series, I just wouldn't put my trust on Kinberg. I've already gave him the benefit of the doubt with Apocalypse and Fant4stic because of Dofp, and look what happened to those films so never again.

And I already don't like some of the decisions that he made, like he already failed in costumes, he failed by not including the Shiar or the Hellfire Club in another Dark Phoenix story. Its so obvious to see some of the X-Men will be underused again. And he let Beast/Mystique walk around in human form again. Being a director is a bigger responsibility and as a replacement to Singer, he should have been making improvements but looks like I'm still complaining about the same stuff. its eXhausting, really.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I am confused. Who exactly went around screaming that they didn't believe those box office predictions? The general view is that the movie will be opening in the 40 to 50 million range, and most fans are fine with that as this series has run its course.

Go check the Box Office thread.

 

[SmartBox12]

I have a feeling the space mission will be something special, probably top 5 scenes for this franchise. That new shot of Jean trying to stay in control while in the mist of the engery is visually stunning.

 

[Davidstorm]

My hype has been affected by all the negativity. It's hard to root for something that has actively been called trash for years. I don't know. I'm still very excited for it, but it's hard to expect this whole situation to end on a positive note. Although, I would love such a genuine underdog victory.

exactly
everything around this film has become so negative, so toxic, I go to other forums and I've read people twisting that the film leaks completely online to have a box office worse, it seems that everything has already been decided to 1 year, including the evaluation of critics
I hope I'm wrong but I can not be sure that this film will have an unbiased assessment of its quality.

 

[SumT]

exactly
everything around this film has become so negative, so toxic, I go to other forums and I've read people twisting that the film leaks completely online to have a box office worse, it seems that everything has already been decided to 1 year, including the evaluation of critics
I hope I'm wrong but I can not be sure that this film will have an unbiased assessment of its quality.

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Only Fox and Kinberg are to blame for this general feeling.
If they had approached this story drastically different (and faithful), this would be a whole different situation with social media and hype. I can guarantee you that.

 

[EnDz0n3]

exactly
everything around this film has become so negative, so toxic, I go to other forums and I've read people twisting that the film leaks completely online to have a box office worse, it seems that everything has already been decided to 1 year, including the evaluation of critics
I hope I'm wrong but I can not be sure that this film will have an unbiased assessment of its quality.

Oh great. Do you also think Disney pays off critics to give their movies good RT scores?

 

[Davidstorm]

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Only Fox and Kinberg are to blame for this general feeling.
If they had approached this story drastically different (and faithful), this would be a whole different situation with social media and hype. I can guarantee you that.

I have great doubts if I would even change something
maybe it would just happen "this has to be canceled because it's crap" to "this needs to be canceled or disney will never again use the jean / phoenix story"
I think it could be the best director in the world, and I would still suffer from the same negativity, just a little different or a little smaller.

 

[Davidstorm]

Oh great. Do you also think Disney pays off critics to give their movies good RT scores?

I do not know how to answer this, I do not believe this happens.
but I can not believe the impartiality of many
or do you believe that the youtuber girl who rates movies and 1 year says that this will be canceled (I forgot her name completely) will partially evaluate this movie?
I saw a few things over the past year that left me with great doubts whether the films are rated for their quality or some have their rating based on the director or company they are doing.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I do not know how to answer this, I do not believe this happens.
but I can not believe the impartiality of many
or do you believe that the youtuber girl who rates movies and 1 year says that this will be canceled (I forgot her name completely) will partially evaluate this movie?
I saw a few things over the past year that left me with great doubts whether the films are rated for their quality or some have their rating based on the director or company they are doing.

That youtuber girl that you're talking about, whose name I'm not going to mention to give her free advertising (you guys hate her so much but can't seem to stop talking about her) LOVED Apocalypse...

 

[SumT]

I do not know how to answer this, I do not believe this happens.
but I can not believe the impartiality of many
or do you believe that the youtuber girl who rates movies and 1 year says that this will be canceled (I forgot her name completely) will partially evaluate this movie?
I saw a few things over the past year that left me with great doubts whether the films are rated for their quality or some have their rating based on the director or company they are doing.

seems like you totally underestimate the real potential of the Phoenix SAGA.

this movie totally lacks the real scope, vibe, and event feeling the comic arc was.
if this movie had a better and longer build up, and had all the core and iconic elements of the Phoenix saga, and I mean ALL of them, along with a bigger x-men team (with more familiar x-men, familiar to general audience, meaning after appearing in a few movies previously, all of them, not just Jean, Scott and Beast) this movie would be having real hype. It was pretty easy, actually, but Fox and Kinberg failed to build the moment for this story. Its rushed, too soon, and too little x-men, that general audience dont even love yet.

 

[Davidstorm]

That youtuber girl that you're talking about, whose name I'm not going to mention to give her free advertising (you guys hate her so much but can't seem to stop talking about her) LOVED Apocalypse...

this love of her for XMA just makes it clearer to me that I really can not take very seriously the judgment of some critics.

 

[EnDz0n3]

this love of her for XMA just makes it clearer to me that I really can not take very seriously the judgment of some critics.

So everyone has to agree with YOUR opinions of the movies? What a weird thing to say for someone who can't understand why people might not think Dark Phoenix footage looks good.

 

[Pejo]

Just saw a tv spot on TNT with a PG-13 rating. Do we have an official accurate runtime yet?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Most are quoting the 1 hr 53 mins.

 

[kevork89]

I think the issue is that they rushed into a Dark Phoenix storyline. They could’ve done another movie that was on a more First Class scale to build up these new characters and people would’ve been supportive of it. Even under Kinberg there might have been some hesitation for the film but people would have given it more of a chance. We needed to see this team be the X-Men. They could’ve done Mutant Massacre. Something on a smaller scale that would have given us this X-Men team and building of their relationship. And then the franchise would’ve ended and there wouldn’t be as bad of a taste in people’s mouths. Now I’m still looking forward to seeing this. It’s not gonna be DoFP level but I also don’t think it’ll be as bad as Last Stand/Apocalypse. But they should’ve never even done the DP storyline.

 

[Cktopl33]

I believe the plan was to expand into a longer trilogy of films but that just wasn't going to happen when Fox decided out of the blue they wanted to sell (which at the time they were contemplating Comcast before Disney entered the picture, then played a cat and mouse game to draw more money out of Disney for their shareholders). So the movie had to be altered while shooting because they knew this was going to be it. Fleshing out the story into a longer narrative was no longer an option and simply couldn't happen. The shi'ar would have been in play according to earlier plans but that's not where the dice fell, unfortunately.

 

[Zarex]

I believe the plan was to expand into a longer trilogy of films but that just wasn't going to happen when Fox decided out of the blue they wanted to sell (which at the time they were contemplating Comcast before Disney entered the picture, then played a cat and mouse game to draw more money out of Disney for their shareholders). So the movie had to be altered while shooting because they knew this was going to be it. Fleshing out the story into a longer narrative was no longer an option and simply couldn't happen. The shi'ar would have been in play according to earlier plans but that's not where the dice fell, unfortunately.

The announced buyer of the Fox entertainment portfolio was originally the Mouse, not Comcast. Kabletown didn't enter bidding until much later. The Murdochs preferred Disney as the buyer due to the tax advantages of how that offer was structured.

 

[psylockolussus]

Most are quoting the 1 hr 53 mins.

BoxOfficeMojo already listed 1hour and 54 minutes. Its a short movie for something like the X-Men.

 

[Cktopl33]

The announced buyer of the Fox entertainment portfolio was originally the Mouse, not Comcast. Kabletown didn't enter bidding until much later. The Murdochs preferred Disney as the buyer due to the tax advantages of how that offer was structured.

I'm talking about behind the scenes before anything was ever announced. This is before anyone knew that Fox was about to sell (and before Dark Phoenix entered production). Comcast was always in the picture. I think Fox simply played both to its favor.

 

[ludovica]

I'm talking about behind the scenes before anything was ever announced. This is before anyone knew that Fox was about to sell. Comcast was always in the picture. I think Fox simply played both to it's favor.

Source or it didn't happen.