Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

Remember how Disney wouldn't release Dark Phoenix. or how they wouldn't market the film very well because it is FOX X-Men. now THAT is dramatic.

The movie was delayed how many times? 2, 3? The entire third act reshot? They announced one of the delays less than 48 hours they released trailers, posters and promotional material with the previous dates. What about New Mutants? 4 delays? Even important entertainment website reporting about the movie possibly ending up on Hulu. No reshots yet. Is it 2020 now? God knows...

So... I don't see it as that dramatic since there was so many behind the scenes "drama" to get those stories going.
 
FOX said this a game changer, what? blaming the audience? what are you even talking about?
"...Change the course of the franchise" aka game changer.
Blaming the audience like you calling them overdramatic.

Good god man. Must everything be explained to you?
Claremont called it the “‘Casino Royale’ of comic book films.”
Claremont has said similar flowery things about X-men: The Last Stand. Give him 3 months after this has come out and he'll change his tune.
 
"...Change the course of the franchise" aka game changer. Good god man. Must everything be explained to you?

change of course - a change in the direction that you are moving. change of direction, reorientation - the act of changing the direction in which something is oriented. turning, turn - the act of changing or reversing the direction of the course; "he took a turn to the right"

In contexts where do you get the idea they were talking about a game changer?
 
change of course - a change in the direction that you are moving. change of direction, reorientation - the act of changing the direction in which something is oriented. turning, turn - the act of changing or reversing the direction of the course; "he took a turn to the right"

In contexts where do you get the idea they were talking about a game changer?
Game Changer:
a newly introduced element or factor that changes an existing situation or activity in a significant way.

X-Men: Dark Phoenix heats up EW's First Look Issue
"...includes a massive twist halfway through that will irrevocably change the course of the franchise."

Also, what is happening...
 
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I dunno whats happening. i dunno why this is even an issue.

Saying that something "includes a massive twist halfway through that will irrevocably change the course of the franchise." what is the big deal here? do we know what the context of what this means? no we don't. to find an issue with it is assuming to know anything about what it even means.
 
The massive twist, I think, refers to there being aliens in the film. Had we not known ages prior, that would probably be a pretty shocking change for a grounded franchise that has never even hinted at the existence of extraterrestrials.
 
I dunno whats happening. i dunno why this is even an issue.

Saying that something "includes a massive twist halfway through that will irrevocably change the course of the franchise." what is the big deal here? do we know what the context of what this means? no we don't. to find an issue with it is assuming to know anything about what it even means.
The issue is Fox sold the movie with that in 2018 but stopped marketing it that way and even stopped mentioning the so-called "massive twist." Did you even read any of the posts you lost your lid from?

Also, it's ok you don't have to admit your mistake. Just pick apart the verbiage of the post like you always do, and like you originally did with @Charzhin0 original (i believe innocent mistake) post.
 
Game Changer:
a newly introduced element or factor that changes an existing situation or activity in a significant way.

X-Men: Dark Phoenix heats up EW's First Look Issue
"...includes a massive twist halfway through that will irrevocably change the course of the franchise."

Also, what is happening...

Also, Sophie Turner's quote:

"We are revolutionizing it. We wanted to create a whole new genre of superhero movie."

The point is: This movie didn't have much marketing. In both interviews on EW and Empire, the movie was said to have a game changing twist and that it would revolutionize the genre. For a movie with not much marketing, both of these things got diffused online quickly, by many different entertainment websites. It became one of the few big things this movie had to offer. That's the point.
 
The massive twist, I think, refers to there being aliens in the film. Had we not known ages prior, that would probably be a pretty shocking change for a grounded franchise that has never even hinted at the existence of extraterrestrials.
You sure about that? In the same issue where they said there was a "massive twist" Entertainment Weekly is quoted as saying she "plays an otherworldly shapeshifter who influences Jean Grey/Phoenix for her own agenda."

If Chastain playing an "otherworldly" being is the "massive twist...that will irrevocably change the course of the franchise" the staff at EW surely didn't get the memo not to share that with their readers...
 
Also, Kinberg has said he was very much inspired by Thor: Ragnarok and Logan. Turner said they want to revolutionize the genre. Claremont compared it to Cassino Royale and Hutch Parker said it is like a hitchockian psychological thriller.

It sounds like... something. We'll see what the result will be.
 
Also, Kinberg has said he was very much inspired by Thor: Ragnarok and Logan. Turner said they want to revolutionize the genre. Claremont compared it to Cassino Royale and Hutch Parker said it is like a hitchockian psychological thriller.

It sounds like... something. We'll see what the result will be.
Two very different tones! Not sure how they'd mix but it'll be interesting to see...
 
Two very different tones! Not sure how they'd mix but it'll be interesting to see...
It will be interesting because there's quite a few members here who despise Ragnarok but still defend that comparison.
 
Oddly those are some of the least dramatic things to get said on here.

Remember how Disney wouldn't release Dark Phoenix. or how they wouldn't market the film very well because it is FOX X-Men. now THAT is dramatic.
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There's nothing Logan-ish or Ragnarok-ish from the clips they've released so far. Its typical Kinberg pr spin words and I'm not buying a word he says.

Can't speak for Ragnarok (at an extreme stretch I would say maybe the colours & action of the shuttle mission + embracing the more fun elements of the mutants: Dazzler, storm making ice cubes etc).

But the clips,specifically the full helicopter clip, felt very Logan to me especially when it was focused on Jean in the hut listening telepathically.
Overall I think the "loganish" aspects will be the focus on the characters breaking down and feuding over Jean and her emotional breakdown.
 
My top 5

1.DoFP
2. Ragnarok
3. X2
4. GotG Vol1
5. Hops between Civil War and Deadpool 1
 
Top 5
DOFP rogue cut
First class
x2
Dark Knight
Batman Begins

Honorable mention: Iron man, Batman, Watchmen

Least favorite 5
Ant man & wasp
X-men Apocalypse
X-Origins wolverine
Justice league
Captain marvel

Least Honorable mention: Batman & robin, avengers 2, Dr.strange, and probably Dark Phoenix
 
Godzilla is also a pretty good reminder that early hype means nothing. Those trailers were just about perfect.
So far, it did worse critically than Gareth Edward's Godzilla movie. This movie premiered 18 days earlier than the U.S. release but embargo still lifted three days before U.S. release. It will be interesting to compare the two writer/directors from the x-men franchise. Michael Dougherty who not only directed but co-wrote the story and screenplay. It will be something if Kinberg, despite all the delays & expected critical bomb, still manage to score a fresh critical rating on his first directorial debut. Very eager to compare this with Apocalypse. We'll know next week. And who knows what the box office will do. Aladdin had a rotten score yet still manage to exceed box office expectations. Wonder if Godzilla, despite its current rotten score, will equally exceed it's box office projections which are near-ish Dark Phoenix's projections.
 
Godzilla’s projected just 4 million above Dark Phoenix’s projections, MIB projected below Dark Phoenix, and those 3 at the bottom of the remaining release pool for blockbusters this summer.

Dark Phoenix’s reviews are likely to trend somewhere around Detective Pikachu’s, so I’m personally predicting a 60-70 debut with SLoP around 80. They both can’t be massive out of the gates because there’s only but so much money to go around in a packed Memorial Day-June release window. SLoP’s reviews likely won’t be too good, regardless of the first one’s surprise success.

It’s strange that they’re having a lot of full showings of it 2 weeks prior in most US cities so that one’s box office may be a bit weird. It’s as if they’re trying to get kids and parents for guaranteed repeat visits come release and kids don’t always have the best taste in movies lol. A young one around me was super excited for Ugly Dolls and their parents just quickly forgot it was out but that 4 year old surely didn’t lol. The marketing for it is pretty weak but kids movies operate differently. Unfortunately for me, I was forced to watch a children’s channel for two days with a young one and recall around 2 tv spots for it. Dark Phoenix is everywhere to the point where it’s annoying. Annoying is good because it’s engrained in everyone’s mind.

It’s a funny coincidence that I used Godzilla’s review embargo as a reference earlier talking about how they had yet to come out, after I did a search that revealed nothing had come out and RT had 0 submissions and an hour later the embargo lifted lol.
 

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