X-Men Dark Phoenix SPOILER Discussion

Discussion in 'X-Men: Dark Phoenix' started by carpenter82, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. The Chris

    The Chris TDK Trilogy Forever!

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    Oh yeah I know. That guy's line was so goofy to me though when he said that so i couldn't care less what happened to him. And oh boy i hate the editing and camera work in that whole scene.
     
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  2. terry78

    terry78 We'll be right back

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    When and if Nightcrawler comes back in the MCU get an actual German dude to play him and CG his eyes so they're just all yellow and no irises.

    Also one thing I had to keep myself from laughing at is that kinberg managed yet again to find a way to keep Quicksilver out of the action.
     
  3. Elektra1

    Elektra1 I like cats

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    I hated it. Way to completely erase Days of Future Past and even Apocalypse in terms of Jean's power.

    Disappointed as ****.
     
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  4. Hand Banana

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    His son was a fan of his. lol
     
  5. terry78

    terry78 We'll be right back

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    Whereas if his son didn't like him he would have just let those guys go.
     
  6. icekid

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    No more Genosha setup aside from them all farming and doing chores when Jean shows up and startled them all. There was also an additional scene of Chastain and Second in Command meeting in a Church when he hands her an FBI badge and says that it will grant them access to anywhere for their investigation. That’s where it says Smith on it.

    Posting my differences summary in a few moments
     
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    the thing that bothered the most were the aliens story i felt like his original concept was scrapped and chose the d bari.

    like jessica's character could have been lady mastermind [​IMG] and u could have had her with hellfire club henchmen [​IMG].

    Also this would go back all the way to the first class movie where hellfire clubs original plan was world domination and they would b using jean to unleash the phoenix destroying earth.
     
  8. kguillou

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    So did anyone else’s audience cheer at the infamous “X-Women” line? That took me by surprise because i knew everyone on the internet HATED that clip lol
     
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  9. Elektra1

    Elektra1 I like cats

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    I thought it was funny.

    And, "If you touch her, I'll ****ing kill you."
     
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  10. carpenter82

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    That line was received well at both screenings that I went to.
     
  11. icekid

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    She and her team were always alien in nature, but it was ambiguous until the ADR sessions that took place in December and a second in January.
     
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    Its funny fo me how everyone reacts to F bombs in the US. In my part of the world, no one even blinks. In any case, it felt cheap and stupid to me, just like the rest of the script.
     
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    My did.
     
  14. icekid

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    From the clips I saw at Wondercon I remember there being a little more to Storm's fight in the NY scuffle. Idk why they'd cut that stuff out. I was thinking maybe it was the MPAA due to violence, but that doesn't make sense because Magneto's fight on the train was way more violent.
     
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  16. icekid

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    Here’s my breakdown.

    -Opening was the same up until they got back to the mansion after the space mission. There was about maybe a minute more of Scott and Jean in their living area. Nothing too major but it helped flesh-out out their relationship more.
    -There was a bit more of Raven and Hank in the sub basement, with Hank clarifying that raven wants to run away with him, together, to start a new life together. I heard there was another scene also diving a bit more into their relationship but I didn’t see that.
    -It also showed them running upstairs and through the school to the door to the grounds. The shockwave blows the door open and after their look of initial shock, they are sent flying back and hit a wall on the opposite end and fall on top of each other. So overall maybe an extra 3-5 minutes there.
    -a small bit of Xavier leaving the banquet and getting loaded into an SUV and leaving with a convoy escort! Basically a presidential motorcade that speeds off and pulls into the institute.
    -A tad bit more of Jean and her father of her being overjoyed. Everything after she switches is the same.
    -A bit more of her fighting Nightcrawler. Nothing spectacular.
    -I didn’t see any transformation scenes, not for Hank, not for Raven and not for Chastain. Perhaps that’s why I didn’t interpret them as shape shifters. The effects shots were likely not done. For instance, I’d see blue Raven and then the next shot would have JLaw.
    - when The D’Bari land, what I saw was a shot of shooting stars over the lake with one of those ‘shooting stars’ slowing down and landing rather than one splitting into 3.
    -The newscaster message about the mutant interments camps and the Jean Grey incident were played over Jean scrubbing blood in the rain. We didn’t hear Jean speak in my cut. Thankfully they changed that in the final because I loved Sophie’s acting.
    -The scene of Chastain meeting the other D’Bari on the roof was different, for instance, no D’Bari and no mention of their homeworlds destruction. Notice how all of that is all off camera, you don’t see Chastain actually say any of those lines. It’s ADR, and in the one place you do see her say that, it’s out of context which was in the roof scene. It originally had her asking about humans, their chemical makeup, mutants, and someone mentions the X-Men and that the force has taken host within the member Jean Grey. This was much longer than the final cut.
    -There was an additional scene of her meeting another that had long infiltrated the government and handing her an FBI badge and describing Earth’s governments. Probably another 5 minutes shaved off the total runtime with this cut.
    -Jeans approach to Genosha had shown the inhabitants fearing her and beginning to run away until Selene and co stepped forward, who was noticeably absent here.
    -Jeans conversation with Erik was slightly longer and ended on a different note, with her saying “or what” and her eyes flowing at him as she stood up.
    -Erik’s line from the trailer was gone, which he was supposed to say right before she flew away. It was longer than we hear in the teaser trailer. “I’ve seen evil, I know what it looks like when it’s staring back at me and I’m looking at it now”.
    -Slightly longer scene of Chastain and her right hand arriving at Jeans house, starting with an overhead shot of her opening her umbrella which uses a different shot in the movie. There was also more of her walking up to the house.
    -Jean and Chastain at the bar was longer. “You think you don’t belong here, you don’t”. That was cut.
    -Some of Storm in the sub basement was cut. She had a line “Where Scott goes, I go. If he needs me, I’m there, end of discussion”
    -Shot of the landed X-Jet in Central Park as we see Magneto and co walking up to Selene is cut.
    -Basically all of Storm and Selene's fight choreography is cut, in addition to a few more moments of Selene using her powers to make Nightcrawler band around and get closer to her.
    -Completely different structure for Erik getting thrown out of the window. The helmet breaking and him being thrown happened at the same time. I saw an overhead shot of it fracturing in every direction from his head and him being ejected out at the same time. It username an alternate take to show off Fassbenders reaction and fear from what I’ve been told.
    -Hologram scene featuring the D’Bari home world destruction was redone. This is entirely different in good ways and bad ways. Notice most of their speech between each other doesn’t feature their mouth on screen. ;)
    -Jean was also to have slight fire in her hair in this scene, part of which was completed from the first original version of the film and wasn’t altered for the new 3rd act yet, which saw it removed.

    *EVERYTHING after Jean stopping herself now from killing Xavier is from reshoots with the sole exception of the school rename and Summer Fontana’s astral plane scene.
    -Most of Chastain’s lines after Jean stops attacking Xavier were new, Xavier was just supposed to say “she will kill us all” and she hisses “yessssss”
    -Can’t remember if I saw it in the final cut or not but I’m almost certain that it’s cut. Vuk was supposed to have a full face reveal after she gets up on the roof after Scott blasted her, while they were all being carried away. Then we were to see her face heal over itself and her stare at the stars taking in her newfound heightened senses. Then she was to look down at the mutants being loaded up into armored vans.
    -Scott had a speech about what Raven would have done that united both sides as they were captive. All that was cut, it was repetitive to Xavier’s speech but it should have gone to Scott.
    -Train fight was mostly the same, hard to tell it was pre-viz when I saw it intercut with fresh, bare, footage. I did notice that they took a shot out of a ship flying above the train and a lot more alien soldiers raining down on the train.
    -Chastain was supposed to do a superhero landing on the team, with the speed pushing her skin she grew out of place and it healing back. THEN she was to rush at Beast.
    -PHOENIX FORMING AROUND JEAN AS IT INTERTWINED WITH THE TRAIN AS ITS CARS FLOATED IN THE SKY. Was entirely Pre-viz so probably cut for budget and impact of the space Phoenix.
    -ALL of Jean’s fight choreography was cut. She was to have a massive fight with onslaughts of the aliens that were coming out of the rubble ending with her disintegrating then all after being stabbed with the pole.
    -When Vuk rushes at Jean, Jean was supposed to dodge left and they had a brief fight before Vuk grabs her neck.
    -Their exchange in space is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
    Vuk “You could have been a God”
    Jean“I’d rather die a mortal”
    -There was an additional shot back to the bar Jean and Chastain met in with the tv news now with Jean Grey as being remembered as a hero, having died while saving Earth from unknown forces.


    Overall, I liked some of the tweaks pertaining to two scenes in particular for personal reasons, but I felt that the pacing was much stronger in the longer cut. All of the film’s non script related issues could have been avoided. With all of the above 22 minutes were cut, I was told.
     
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  17. carpenter82

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    Oddly enough I'm fine with a lot of this stuff being taken out of the movie. I wish Storm's fight was put back in. From what I remember it's pretty badass. In the clip I saw the effects for it were mostly done. I don't understand why that got cut specifically.

    Jean actually fighting the D'Bari sounds kinda silly. Was it executed well in the cut that you saw?
     
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  18. psylockolussus

    psylockolussus Spice Mutant

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    i love the X-women line.
     
  19. Spidey 2007

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    Haha, you really only hear the worst of the worst on the internet. The negative voices are always the loudest. Of course that line would get a positive response from a general audience, it's a good line, and best of all, shes not wrong!
     
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  20. psylockolussus

    psylockolussus Spice Mutant

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    I always thought he was a joke in Apocalypse and served no purpose.

    The Alan Cumming version is much superior.
     
  21. Sage2016

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    Alan Cumming didn't have much screen time, but his white house scene as Nightcrawler is still one of my favourite opening scenes of any movie. He was also pretty fleshed out, with his time talking to Storm and Mystique and his battles with accepting his own skin. Kodi hasn't done any of that with more time on screen.
     
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  22. terry78

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    Yeah the line got laughs at mine. YouTube would have you think everyone hates Brie Larson too.
     
  23. henzINNIT

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    What's the story here? (apologies if already asked)

    [​IMG]
     
  24. TWayneP

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    Wow, thanks for the breakdown! A lot of it seems like it made sense to cut or rework. The only thing I wish we had more of is the fight scene at Jeans neighborhood. That could have really used a little longer Quicksilver moment. Literally anything else to help it stand out more, and make that middle lull a bit easier to digest. IMO.

    I think Nightcrawler kicked ass in DP. We really havent seen him cut loose since the opening of X2, so it was nice to finally see that again. It wasn't nearly as good mind you, but still very comic-booky. I didn't dig his motivation to finally let go, *random soldier dies*, Maybe he just gets fed up with the situation. Loved him using blades. LOVED the expressions, that demonic smile!
    [​IMG]
     
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  25. Sage2016

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    TBH Kodi just came across goofy looking and in turn a few folks at the cinema were laughing at it, myself included. It was cool seeing him with the blades I suppose, still preferred when Azazel went all slashy happy at the HQ in First Class though (and I don't even like First Class). It was a bit stupid how Kurt got angry, it would've made more sense if they were attacking Lotus or Selene and Kurt let's rip (Even if they had been fighting them earlier in the film).
     

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